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Originally posted by airwalk:
Anyone crunch the numbers?

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Just use one of those mortgage calculator tools that are everywhere on the internet.

Find out how much of your collection you're willing to sell and add it to your down payment, calculate your new monthly payment. Figure out how long it would take you to buy those cards back with the money you save each month.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
Just use one of those mortgage calculator tools that are everywhere on the internet.

Find out how much of your collection you're willing to sell and add it to your down payment, calculate your new monthly payment. Figure out how long it would take you to buy those cards back with the money you save each month.

FWIW my collection was only worth a few hundred so it wouldn't have made much difference.

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Originally posted by airwalk:
Oh, I already did that. The part I'm having trouble with is the speculative part -- wondering what those cards would be worth in 2-3 years time (impossible mostly, I know) when I go to rebuy them and if it would have been better to just hold onto them (as interest rates are so low at the moment). Everytime I have sold out my collection I ended up wishing I didn't a few years later (but then I was buying things that depreciated in value.. bikes, atvs). I guess I need to figure out whats most likely going to hold steady and what has potential to go up and keep the stuff I'm not sure of.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Ful FTV:Realms
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Originally posted by caquaa:
Dunno, ancient tomb, high market, maze of ith, vesuva... if you're an EDH player and want to foil your deck you're talking hundreds pre-FTV. Kinda sucks since I have most of these already tho... lol. Guess second copies don't hurt.

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I love M13 as a limited format but sucks that there are no cards worth money.

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Originally posted by Hooskdaddy:
The total comes out to be $3225.50. Asking $2900 OBO. Dont lowball me as I wont even respond. I can buylist it and get close to what im asking so im not willing to go much lower.

...lots of stuff.

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Where could he buylist the stuff for near ~$2900?

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Originally posted by choco man:
Where could he buylist the stuff for near ~$2900?

If true, I would like to know.

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He always posts like that, he also always says in his posts "quitting magic" yet seems to have no posts all the time.

I have no ill will against him but its how he tries to position his sales.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
He always posts like that, he also always says in his posts "quitting magic" yet seems to have no posts all the time.

I have no ill will against him but its how he tries to position his sales.

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
He is a dealer, so maybe he does have a way to get rid of for close to what he's asking for. But then again, "close" can be subjective

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He almost always comes around later and says he got what his asking price was or close to it.

I usually don't see how, as the individual prices are often slightly higher than average, and the % taken off is lower than average for a collection.

eg: if i buy a tundra or any random dual land (as a guy who only plays standard, i can only assume duals have the best staying power), do you think it will gain more than 1% per year in value?

looking at a historical price guide, it LOOKS like duals have done this, but I wonder if more seasoned veterans believe this will keep up?

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Originally posted by dfitzg88:
stupid question; do you think magic cards are a better investment than keeping my money sitting in a savings account?

eg: if i buy a tundra or any random dual land (as a guy who only plays standard, i can only assume duals have the best staying power), do you think it will gain more than 1% per year in value?

looking at a historical price guide, it LOOKS like duals have done this, but I wonder if more seasoned veterans believe this will keep up?

reference: http://ark42.com/mtg/pricehistory.php?q=Tundra&d=0

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Originally posted by FleeceItOut:
if i had the money to spend i would definitely invest in legacy cards as they seem to get more expensive every year

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I would probably invest in Apple circa 1999/2000 instead, but hindsight is 20/20. I hear lots about how the price on the legacy staples will be unsustainable, which could very well turn out to be true. As I understand, starcity games is a major player in why vintage grew into the pricing it currently has (they supported vintage tournaments prior to legacy which increased demand on older cards...thus increasing their price). While legacy has a larger card pool (in the sense that there are not 10-15 cards you must include in your deck; see moxes, etc.), and there are opportunities to play cheaper decks, I do not know if there is sustainable exponential growth on legacy staples...in simpler terms, I think that the growth of legacy staples will slow when the cards just become too expensive for players to play with them.

With that being said, retrospectively, lots of things look like good bets (buying duals at $20 3 years ago was a reasonable thing)...but it does not mean that the cards will continue to grow in price like the current jump they had. In fact, by buying up staples like duals, you are decreasing the amount of them on the market and thereby increasing their price for newer players to legacy, which could cause some of those new players to shun it...sorry I am rambling...my final point - whatever your investment is, you need to beat one thing - the price of inflation (historically 5%).

Sorry for the rambling, I usually delete these bumbling posts (after drinking and realizing they make no sense) but I think there may be one or two good things in this one.

Short answer - I would not treat them as an alternative to having a Roth IRA / 401k plan and neither would I recommend anyone else to. Furthermore, the only thing keeping some of the cards arbitrarily high is the reserve list, other staples could be reprinted with impunity thereby significantly devaluing your investment. I do speculate to some degree and was able to purchase quite a number of my duals for a lot cheaper than they are now, but I don't think they will double or triple again like they did. Anyways...gonna drink a few more beers, hope that helps?

If you are going to have money sitting around change it into something like Gold or Silver.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Magic cards aren't an investment.

If you are going to have money sitting around change it into something like Gold or Silver.

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Gold plumetted $300 an ounce in the last year, and it's still overpriced. Bottom line, invest in something you know. If you're asking in a magic forum what to invest in, you don't know.

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Originally posted by dwiz:
Gold plumetted $300 an ounce in the last year, and it's still overpriced. Bottom line, invest in something you know. If you're asking in a magic forum what to invest in, you don't know.

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Gold Futures plummeted, having real gold in your hand will always be worth more But I'll digress from the gloom and doom.

Investing in magic isn't a great idea either way the best way to treat it is like gambling.

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
The schedule for the 14 GP in 2013 is released:

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/other/082012

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The first 14 GPs*. There will be more. GPs don't stop in March.

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