He will do better than break even on the tournament, but I don't think it's as big a ripoff as it might look at first glance. And just because I think tournaments should break even doesn't mean anyone else does.

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Originally posted by iccarus:
Where's is the PTQ? If the TO is renting space, that has a pretty big impact on their bottom line.

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Originally posted by Hooskdaddy Is this excessive and is this something that should be brought to wotc attention?:
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So, let me understand this. A store is hosting a PTQ, a large event that takes lots of planning and manpower and is making a modest profit.

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Originally posted by Hooskdaddy:

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That's totally not excessive considering there's more overhead than just the packs. You've got employees, venue costs (even if it's their own venue), etc. He makes $2,500 before any of those other costs.

Consider that if he does draw that many people (yourself included), it means that the price isn't overly expensive. I mean, you're priced in, right? I think the players would be balking if this guy is gouging his prices.

To me the customers get to vote on that sort of stuff. If they go and pay for it, the price isn't too excessive. This is a luxury item, so like, if you're willing to spend $40 of your extra dollars on it, the price is good enough. If the price was excessive, you wouldn't.

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Originally posted by Hooskdaddy:
Actually wotc reimburses the winner for the plane ticket IF they show to the PT.
The reason i think its outrageous is every other ptq ive ever been to, and in my lifetime thats been hundreds, its never been more than $30 sealed or otherwise. The only things ive ever seen at $40 are gp and scg 10ks. Those all give out tremendous amounts of cash. Just seems quite excessive to me.

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Then don't support his event its the best way of showing you think its overpriced

I think it was 140 to 160 people at 30 bucks each for a local ptq and it paid

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Originally posted by Hooskdaddy:
There's a ptq in SC i'm going to.this weekend. Here's the prize payout according to the TO IF they get 110 players.
1-2 one box
3-4 24 packs
5-8 16 packs
9-16 8 packs
That's 250 packs plus the 660 packs used for the sealed portion and the 24 packs used for the top 8 draft means 934 total.packs. At cost its $2.03 per pack. That's roughly $1900. Hes charging $40 for entry fee. Based on the 110 people that's $4400. Is this excessive and is this something that should be brought to wotc attention?
We have already mentioned it to the T.O and he didn't really seem to care but did mention he had to also.pay 2 judges to come from out of town. It just seems quite excessive.

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Could be worse, your store could charge the same, give out about a 1/4th of that, and they could treat you like complete ****, and get away with it due to not having any easy alternatives, and when you calmly try to talk with them, you end up banned.

All in all I agree, doesn't seem excessive, just kind of meh. Nothing I'd be jumping to go to, in fact ONLY way I'd ever show to that to play is if I needed the invite, and I had no other cheaper options.

Also, does he run these type of events often? If not it may just fail causing him to change, if not, then it obviously works.

Is it like a pre-release where you buy kits and are provided prize support with that?

It seems like most TO's are basing prices on how popular RtR is, which seems ridiculous because the set is not difficult to get a hold of.

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Originally posted by Dimh:
How much of a limited PTQ is provided by Wizards, if any?

Is it like a pre-release where you buy kits and are provided prize support with that?

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Originally posted by I3Iood:
Nothing product-wise is provided by wizards. There are no kits. You, the store or TO, supply all product and product related prize support.

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Originally posted by Dimh:
Well that makes more sense as to why limited PTQ's vary so much in price. Still think you shouldn't pay more than $30 for a limited PTQ tho.

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Originally posted by Hooskdaddy:
While you dont get it from.wizards and have to buy it everyone gets it at the same price $2.03 per pack. So being greedy is the only real reason for price difference.

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Yea.....though Imagine Pre-Release where max prize payout is 11 packs! 0_o

PTQ's around here are nice though, smarter stores run them and they go smooth, from what I've seen at least, think last one had like box and half-2 boxes for 1st...with ~100 people

I started off 3-0, got paired down for the fourth round and lost to GB zombies because (1) game one I got stuck on 3 lands for two turns and couldn't play the Mutilate in my hand (along with the 2 Thragtusks that would follow) and (2) game three I got stuck on lands AGAIN while my opponent dropped turn 1 gravecrawler, turn 2 double diregraf ghouls, turn 3 blood artist, and turn 4 geralf's messenger. I don't know if I could have really done much about that given my hand, but still annoying. I play 25 lands in my deck and 3 Farseeks, by the way. That, and I had to mulligan down to 6 both of the games I'm complaining about because of 1-land hands.

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Originally posted by yakusoku:
Drafting is proving to be quite profitable for me. I don't know why everyone doesn't do it.

I opened Niv-Mizzet, and decided to play Izzet. In the subsequent packs, I managed to get passed a Lotleth Troll and Detention Sphere and ended the night at 2-1, getting me two more prize packs, one of which had Armada Wurm. That was certainly worth my $10 entry.

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Originally posted by yakusoku:
Drafting is proving to be quite profitable for me. I don't know why everyone doesn't do it.

I opened Niv-Mizzet, and decided to play Izzet. In the subsequent packs, I managed to get passed a Lotleth Troll and Detention Sphere and ended the night at 2-1, getting me two more prize packs, one of which had Armada Wurm. That was certainly worth my $10 entry.

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Originally posted by yakusoku:
Drafting is proving to be quite profitable for me. I don't know why everyone doesn't do it.

I opened Niv-Mizzet, and decided to play Izzet. In the subsequent packs, I managed to get passed a Lotleth Troll and Detention Sphere and ended the night at 2-1, getting me two more prize packs, one of which had Armada Wurm. That was certainly worth my $10 entry.

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