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airwalk
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posted November 20, 2012 01:25 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for airwalk Send a private message to airwalk Click to send airwalk an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Obviously you guys don't know that Link139232 is a super serious legacy player and deckbuilder, he's almost a pro! I wouldn't disagree with him! Even if he is completely off base and taking something completely out of the context in which it was said then trying to spin the conversation in a direction he thinks he knows something about to be relevant.
 
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I'll let someone else tell you how many decks I've designed that win SCG opens, GPs, and pro tours.

Oh, and who beat Gerry T in legacy? This guy. My cousin also beat him to win the SCG Atlanta open. Playing my deck, of course. Oh, and you know vintage superstar Andrew Probasco? Yeah, we designed that deck he took to the finals of Chicago.

So, kindly shut your mouth before spouting ignorant comments.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Link139232:
I'll let someone else tell you how many decks I've designed that win SCG opens, GPs, and pro tours.

Oh, and who beat Gerry T in legacy? This guy. My cousin also beat him to win the SCG Atlanta open. Playing my deck, of course. Oh, and you know vintage superstar Andrew Probasco? Yeah, we designed that deck he took to the finals of Chicago.

So, kindly shut your mouth before spouting ignorant comments.


Aaaaand daner/stu/coolio elbow drop in 3... 2... 1...

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Oh, you thought I was being sarcastic? Everything I said was the honest truth, you being a good player, deckbuilder AND a fool.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
Aaaaand daner/stu/coolio elbow drop in 3... 2... 1...


Yes, I understand there's other good players here. I never said I was the only one.

As for airwalk, you sound like the fool to me.

 
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Share us more stories of your vanquished MTG foes that no one asked for why don't you?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Link139232:
Yes, I understand there's other good players here. I never said I was the only one.

As for airwalk, you sound like the fool to me.


the point is being missed. The point being that whenever someone starts waving their e-peen around on MOTL on the subject of competitive magic playing/dealing, they jump in to reestablish (?) dominance.

And it's amusing as hell.

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Keep it to the point. Name calling is not needed.

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quote:
Originally posted by Link139232:
I think we have a clear misunderstanding.

Omnitell uses show and tell to resolve Omniscience and cast Burning Wish for petals of insight and generate infinite storm for a grapeshot or tendrils.

Enter the infinite would draw your entire deck, leaving you without the ability to use the petals engine, thus having to play other cards to accumulate storm.

Not to mention.. Most combo decks don't run countermagic.

Therefore, I believe that OmniTell and InfiniteTell are two completely different decks, but I still think that Omnitell is far superior.


I think the whole thing this started from was just saying that IF a player played omniscience THEN played enter the infinite they would be able to play every card remaining in their deck (except for land). I'm not qualified to say how well that would do in the current tournament scene, but it sounds like an "I win" combo once you can get it off.

You seem to want to use one card or the other.

 
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Oh, this looks like it's going to be fun! Think I'll just settle in and enjoy the show.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Link139232:
Yes, I understand there's other good players here. I never said I was the only one.

As for airwalk, you sound like the fool to me.


Pro tip-

The more you have to talk about being a great player, the worse you actually are.

 
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Play nice, guys. Discuss the cards, not the people.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
Aaaaand daner/stu/coolio elbow drop in 3... 2... 1...



quote:
Originally posted by Link139232:
Its not sarcasm, and clearly you don't play competitive legacy if you think it is.

quote:
Originally posted by Link139232:
people will just sideboard into a draw spell like Inspiration.

If you suggest Inspiration and "compettitive Legacy" go hand in hand YOU CLEARLY DO NOT PLAY IT.


When this card resolves it wont matter what draw spell you have to try and deck me...it will never get resolved bc MY ENTIRE DECK IS IN MY HAND. I can fight through any counter war and counter anything that might cause me to lose. The trick is going to be fighting this card through all the counters. Once it resolves the game ends. You wont need to worry about a storm count, you'll have 1 copy of Burning Wish in both the main and SB and when you go through the motions enough a Grapeshot will pop out and kill you. You wont have to waste time with Petals, it will just striaght kill you. "Oh look, here's my entire deck, see this Burning Wish? I'll show you what I'm going to do...ok thx for conceding and making life easier."

EDIT: all it does it make it so you don't have to waste time filtering through 3 cards at a time with Petals. There is no card-advantage in favor of either one in either way...one just ends the game in a more timely fashion.

Or you could go for the full middle finger and add 1 copy of Orim's Chant/Silence to the deck.

[Edited 3 times, lastly by daner on November 20, 2012]

 
thror
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nice job dane, open mouth, insert foot.

you cant chain 2 burning wishes. doesnt work.

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I knew someone would say something about Inspiration, it was just the first thing that came to mind.

I would think the "super experienced legacy champion elbow dropper daner" would realize I was talking about a spell that says "Target player draws".

I was never bashing anyone's skill, so I don't understand why everyone is trying to bash me.

In conclusion: Yes, enter the infinite wins you the game.

No, I don't think it's a better option than Petals.

 
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To quote Wizards of the Coast:

Q: How much would a spell with the text, "Draw 100 cards" cost?
--Dan

A: From Noah Weil, Magic R&D:

4U

But seriously Dan, what you've got is unprintable. Logistically, it would be quite time-consuming and obnoxious to count out 100 cards. While I appreciate that the number makes it niche (as opposed to draw 20, which could go anywhere), the power level still implies broken and/or extremely unfun.

It's not engaging, it's not exciting, and it's certainly not clever. Back to the original card, "draw 100 cards" is about half a step away from "win the game". You're not playing this to refuel, you're playing it solely to draw every combo piece with quad Force of Will backup. While we appreciate the thought experiment, these kinds of cards do not promote good game play. As worded, no mana cost would be appropriate. Thanks for the excellent question, Dan!
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Awesome.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Schwingzilla on November 21, 2012]

 
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That's weird. A card that read "Draw 100 cards" for 4U would be completely unplayable. You would just lose the game upon resolution in every format. Playing a 150 card deck is just a bad idea either way.

Unless you're playing Lab Maniac, which is a bad idea as well.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Schwingzilla:
To quote Wizards of the Coast:

Q: How much would a spell with the text, "Draw 100 cards" cost?
--Dan

A: From Noah Weil, Magic R&D:

4U

But seriously Dan, what you've got is unprintable. Logistically, it would be quite time-consuming and obnoxious to count out 100 cards. While I appreciate that the number makes it niche (as opposed to draw 20, which could go anywhere), the power level still implies broken and/or extremely unfun.

It's not engaging, it's not exciting, and it's certainly not clever. Back to the original card, "draw 100 cards" is about half a step away from "win the game". You're not playing this to refuel, you're playing it solely to draw every combo piece with quad Force of Will backup. While we appreciate the thought experiment, these kinds of cards do not promote good game play. As worded, no mana cost would be appropriate. Thanks for the excellent question, Dan!
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Awesome.


Fortunately, drawing 48 or so cards is a bit different

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Link139232:
I'll let someone else tell you how many decks I've designed that win SCG opens, GPs, and pro tours.

Oh, and who beat Gerry T in legacy? This guy. My cousin also beat him to win the SCG Atlanta open. Playing my deck, of course. Oh, and you know vintage superstar Andrew Probasco? Yeah, we designed that deck he took to the finals of Chicago.

So, kindly shut your mouth before spouting ignorant comments.


Serious question: I'd actually like to know what decks you designed that have won PTs.

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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
nice job dane, open mouth, insert foot.

you cant chain 2 burning wishes. doesnt work.


Did I miss an oracle update? Chaining Burning/Cunning Wish with another one was part Long.Dec and Mind's Desire(old extended) combo wins from years ago....


quote:
Originally posted by Link139232:

I would think the "super experienced legacy champion elbow dropper daner" would realize I was talking about a spell that says "Target player draws".


I realize that's the first thing that came to mind, but you'd think and expierenced PT winning deck builder like yourself would have came up with a sure fire trump card.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by daner on November 21, 2012]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by daner:
Did I miss an oracle update? Chaining Burning/Cunning Wish with another one was part Long.Dec and Mind's Desire(old extended) combo wins from years ago....


I realize that's the first thing that came to mind, but you'd think and expierenced PT winning deck builder like yourself would have came up with a sure fire trump card.


I think nowadays there's an exile zone and a not in play zone, whereas in the pre-future sight days, they were the same. I dunno.

 
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Yes, about 3 years ago, the 'removed from game zone' was renamed 'Exile'. And the oracle text of Burning Wish got updated:

"You may choose a sorcery card you own from outside the game, reveal that card, and put it into your hand. Exile Burning Wish."

And the rules blurb on that page:

10/1/2009 You can't acquire exiled cards because those cards are still in one of the game's zones.

So, for the last ~3 years, looping burning/cunning hasnt worked.

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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
Yes, about 3 years ago, the 'removed from game zone' was renamed 'Exile'. And the oracle text of Burning Wish got updated:

"You may choose a sorcery card you own from outside the game, reveal that card, and put it into your hand. Exile Burning Wish."

And the rules blurb on that page:

10/1/2009 You can't acquire exiled cards because those cards are still in one of the game's zones.

So, for the last ~3 years, looping burning/cunning hasnt worked.


Well all be damn....I honestly never knew that. Sorry I actually don't follow Legacy, I do however still think it would be hard to lose if your entire deck was in your hand and you could cast anything you wanted for free.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by daner:
I do however still think it would be hard to lose if your entire deck was in your hand and you could cast anything you wanted for free.

I would say if you can't you have no business playing magic

 
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So i heard there was a new planeswalker. this is definitely the right topic as i can clearly see the motl ****ing match has begun.
 

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