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Originally posted by WeedIan:
Extort looks bonkers if they put it on any cheap creatures

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That looks bonkers in Commander, where you will almost have extra mana.

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Originally posted by Devonin:
The fact that it uses +1/+1 counters is completely irrelevant to a discussion of the fitness of the mechanic as a U/G mechanic. They could have created a new thing, Evolution Counters, and just had the primary function of evolution counters be to give +1/+1 and suddenly it would be a cool new thing that fit great with the colours. You're adding counters, moving them around in a way that modifies and improves things.

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Originally posted by Link139232:
I will not play Extort unless the creature is costed at 2 or less, and has either Hexproof or Protection From Red. Also, it could be printed on a land or enchantment, which would increase its playability.

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It's card advantage with some drain life action, very sweet in limited, and a fine card for 6 mana.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
If they were evolution counters and each creature could react differently I would be very happy with the mechanic.

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Originally posted by marlo213:
It must also have a p/t of 4/4 with a leave play ability if it were a creature. It also can't be worth more than $2 since I don't want to Wizards to gauge me for all of my hard earned money when all they do is run stuff through a printer

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Nice.

Did we forget Smiter is a 4/4 uncounterable for 3 with the discard ability? A 1/3 or 0/2 or something for BW with extort and pro red is really not absurd. There are so many playables right now, which is why I said it would require something solid for me to consider playing it.

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Originally posted by Link139232:
Nice.

Did we forget Smiter is a 4/4 uncounterable for 3 with the discard ability? A 1/3 or 0/2 or something for BW with extort and pro red is really not absurd. There are so many playables right now, which is why I said it would require something solid for me to consider playing it.

Maybe think about improving the quality of your posts here

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Originally posted by Link139232:
Nice.

Did we forget Smiter is a 4/4 uncounterable for 3 with the discard ability? A 1/3 or 0/2 or something for BW with extort and pro red is really not absurd. There are so many playables right now, which is why I said it would require something solid for me to consider playing it.

Maybe think about improving the quality of your posts here

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Originally posted by Devonin:
There's already one that draws cards every time it evolves. Who is to say there won't be ones that deal damage, gain abilities, gain life, etc etc etc?

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Originally posted by MAB_Rapper:
That looks bonkers in Commander, where you will almost have extra mana.

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It's also bonkers in limited. If you get to untap and attack with it once it's already borderline 3 for 1 probably.

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Originally posted by marlo213:
Are you just saying random stuff because it amuses you?

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How is any of my post 'random'? You have zero refs and low post count and start trolling on the forums. You will surely have a short stay in this community if you continue to act like that.

As for the other bit, I was comparing power levels on cards because your other post clearly demonstrated that I was asking too much out of Extort.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
Just for perspective, lobber crew is a top 5 red pick at common for current RTR drafting. Extort definitely powerful, though likely we will only see 1-2 cards that are constructed playable from the start. Ask yourself how many detain cards are currently seeing constructed play. Heck, outside of rakdos cackler and dreg mangler, there are nearly zero cards showcasing current guild mechanics in competitive standard right now.

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Rootborn Defenses
Cyclonic Rift
Gore-House Chainwalker
Mizzium Mortars

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Originally posted by Link139232:
Rootborn Defenses
Cyclonic Rift
Gore-House Chainwalker
Mizzium Mortars

I mean, I don't disagree with you, but these do see play. I guess detain is really the only one that doesn't. I guess the main point is that we should hope that at least 1-2 cards with each mechanic will see constructed play.

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Originally posted by walkerdog:
I would say that citing 3 cards that are VERY infrequently 4x in top decks and 1 that is a roleplayer in 1 (maybe 2?) deck isn't exactly "seeing play".

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Rootborn is a sideboard card at best, Cyclonic is a very strong 1-of in control decks, Mortars doesn't see much play at all anymore, and Chainwalker is generally a 4-of in a lot of RDW and RB decks.

Hence why I didn't disagree with him :P

Here's hoping for some playables in Gatecrash!

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Originally posted by Link139232:
How is any of my post 'random'? You have zero refs and low post count and start trolling on the forums. You will surely have a short stay in this community if you continue to act like that.

As for the other bit, I was comparing power levels on cards because your other post clearly demonstrated that I was asking too much out of Extort.

Lastly, yeah, the extort mechanic on a decent midrange body will be probably first pickable in draft. Adding Last Kiss effects to all of your spells can break up the frequent board stalls we encounter at some point or another. In sealed, it is surely even better, since games are generally slower either way.

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You statement seemed ridiculous considering we have one card spoiled with the mechanic. And your smiter example was random because you know that the playability of a card is very meta/synergy dependent. So yes the smiter isn't seeing play right now, but if a good discard deck becomes dominant than the smiter will triple+ in price overnight. The smiter is simply meta bad right now (cavern of souls doesn't help either).

But to be honest though, I don't see extort cards being too amazing overall because the ability can be too abusive and Wizards don't usually make very good constructed cards with abusive abilities after affinity

That said, never mind the cipher. This is Windfall for one more mana, and two colors in the cost. Seems like a fine way of balancing a card that is banned in legacy, except the whole cipher part that has the potential to make it bonkers. Pretty neat card and ability!

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Originally posted by MagicPatty:
Cipher seems strong. Any cipher card has Invisible Stalker as its go-to guy for repeat casting... solid.

That said, never mind the cipher. This is Windfall for one more mana, and two colors in the cost. Seems like a fine way of balancing a card that is banned in legacy, except the whole cipher part that has the potential to make it bonkers. Pretty neat card and ability!

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Windfall is a lot less powerful in a card pool without the "free" spells you have access to in legacy. It's the same reason that new miracle wheel of fortune isn't really seeing play (or temporal master for that matter).

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Originally posted by Link139232:
Invisible Stalker + Windfall = TRAP.

My guess is that people will try playing UBx mill. I mean, its not completely unreasonable. Esper control might be able to use Mutilate now that we get Graves and Shrines. I still think Verdict and Terminus are strictly better though.

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Originally posted by fluffycow:
I don't know, I think it would be a lot of fun if you can pull off some weird deck where you unsummon all of their stuff and then windfall twice the first turn, then just keep returning their stuff and windfalling. Doesn't sound tier 1 at all, but definitely FNM goodness

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