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Dancam1
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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
yes. double strike is 2 instances of combat damage. enjoy that fireshrieker.


Whoa, that means infinite turns. If he hits your opponent, you get the extra turn. That turn he can't attack. But, then he can hit the second of those turns b/c he skipped the turn, right? So, you'd get 2 more turns, hence, infinite turns?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Dancam1:
Whoa, that means infinite turns. If he hits your opponent, you get the extra turn. That turn he can't attack. But, then he can hit the second of those turns b/c he skipped the turn, right? So, you'd get 2 more turns, hence, infinite turns?

no. "Medomai the Ageless can't attack during extra turns." if it has double strike, you get 2 extra turns. they are both extra, and it cannot attack during either of them.

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So just a question on terminology.

A lot of creatures nowadays say "when this creature dies, do so and so".

If i was to exile said creature does that count as it still dying? Like with a plowshares or something of the sort.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by mattw:
If i was to exile said creature does that count as it still dying? Like with a plowshares or something of the sort.

No, "die" specifically means goes from play into the graveyard. If it gets exiled it doesn't trigger die triggers. Some creatures, like Thragtusk, say "leaves the battlefield", which includes both exiling and dying.

 
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Posting this here, since some rules people probably only read this thread. I want to make sure I have the reasoning on this correctly.

I announce I am casting a Heliod's Emissary using its bestow cost, targeting a creature in play. In response to casting it this way, the targeted creature is removed. At this point, it ceases to be an aura spell and will be on the stack as if I'm casting a creature.

Correct so far, right?

So, at this point, can this creature spell be countered using Annul? I'm thinking yes, since enchantment is still part of its type.

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correct. it is always an enchantment, because that is it's printed type. it is only an AURA when bestowed.

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quote:
Originally posted by iccarus:
I announce I am casting a Heliod's Emissary using its bestow cost, targeting a creature in play. In response to casting it this way, the targeted creature is removed. At this point, it ceases to be an aura spell and will be on the stack as if I'm casting a creature.

Correct so far, right?

So, at this point, can this creature spell be countered using Annul? I'm thinking yes, since enchantment is still part of its type.


If you cast for the bestow cost it remains an enchantment and NOT a creature while it is on the stack. It doesn't check if the target is valid until it resolves at which time in may instead enter play as an enchantment creature.

So if I Doom Blade a creature you targeted with a bestowed Boon Satyr I can't cast Remove Soul to counter Boon Satyr.

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/faq/ths
"If you chose to pay this spell's bestow cost, it becomes an Aura enchantment and gains enchant creature. These effects last until one of two things happens: this spell has an illegal target as it resolves or the permanent this spell becomes, becomes unattached."

Bestow creatures are always enchantments regardless of how they are cast so annul will work in either mode.

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Ok, so it still resolves as if it's an aura spell, but becomes a creature one it's in play since the target is no longer legal.

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I have a question about protection. If I have my Stormbreath Dragon out and I'm being attacked by a green creature with a white aura on it, how does the protection from white work, if at all?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Salmonerd:
I have a question about protection. If I have my Stormbreath Dragon out and I'm being attacked by a green creature with a white aura on it, how does the protection from white work, if at all?

Protection from white wouldn't do anything for you. Protection from white would prevent your Stormbreath Dragon from being targeted by white spells, from being blocked by white creatures and reduces damage white sources would deal to Stormbreath Dragon to 0.

If Stormbreath Dragon had protection from green instead, you could block the creature and all damage your Dragon would take would be reduced to 0.

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quote:
Originally posted by Salmonerd:
I have a question about protection. If I have my Stormbreath Dragon out and I'm being attacked by a green creature with a white aura on it, how does the protection from white work, if at all?

Protection doesn't help you in this situation. The creature is green, and having a white aura on it doesn't change that. Any bonuses granted to the green creature will affect your Stormbreath Dragon.

 
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Thank you guys! I couldn't seem to find an answer anywhere.
 
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guys i have some question...hope that it made me clear and anwered...

[/B][/QUOTE]Signal the Clan:

Instant (R)
Search your library for three creature cards and reveal them. If you searched for three cards with different names, choose one at random at put it into your hand. Shuffle the rest into your library.[/B][/QUOTE]


1) can i used signal the clan by getting a 3 Legendary Enchantment Creature - God like..nylea, Purphoros' and helliod? or do i shuffle my library..


about :agent of fate and gift immortality..

[/B][/QUOTE]Agent of the Fates
Creature — Human Assassin (R)
Deathtouch
Heroic — Whenever you cast a spell that targets Agent of the Fates, each opponent sacrifices a creature.
3/2

+

Gift of Immortality

Enchantment - Aura (R)
Enchant creature
When enchanted creature dies, return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control. Return Gift of Immortalit

[/B][/QUOTE]


2) i cast agent of fate and enchanted it with gift of immortality then my opponent sacrifices a creature. for a heroic ability.during the end of my turn my opponent cast shock to kill my agents of fates then die...when agent of fate returned with the ability of gift of immortality and then gift of immortality will be attached to the agents of fate.. the question is this.. do a heroic abilty triger and my opponent sacrifice again for agent of fates heroic ability?


[/B][/QUOTE]

Polukranos, World Eater
Legendary Creature - Hydra (MR)
XXG: Monstrosity X. (If this creature isn’t monstrous, put X +1/+1 counters on it and it becomes monstrous.)
When Polukranos, World Eater becomes monstrous, it deals X damage divided as you choose among any number of target creatures your opponents control. Each of those creatures deals damage equal to its power to Polukranos.
5/5[/B][/QUOTE]

3)Can i make polukranos a monstrosity by paying a 1x G mana and Let X/X be zero...do polukranos deals damages to any opponents creature by 5 as it same as his power and it's montrosity is 1 green man and x/x is 0..

 
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Signal the Clans:

You can search for any three cards that have "creature" as a type. Extra types like enchantment, artifact, or legendary don't matter as long as the word "creature" is also there.

Polukranos:

If you activate with 0 as the X cost the ability will deal 0 damage. The X in the ability text is the same X in the activation cost, it is not based on the creature's power.

Gift of Immortality and Heroic:

When you cast and aura it targets the creature so it will trigger heroic, but when it comes back it doesn't target the creature - it just becomes attached. You will have to cast a new spell if you want to trigger the heroic ability again.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Pail42 on November 05, 2013]

 
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All right, I'm playing Dredge again. Flayer of the Hatebound with Bridge From Below. Do tokens that come into play trigger Flayer of the Hatebound? Or are the tokens not coming into play from the graveyard?
 
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Assuming I don't meet the devotion requirement, are god cards still considered creatures when they are not in play?

For example, can I still search for one with Worldly Tutor? And can I still put a god into play with Oath of Druids?

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quote:
Originally posted by junichi:
Assuming I don't meet the devotion requirement, are god cards still considered creatures when they are not in play?

For example, can I still search for one with Worldly Tutor? And can I still put a god into play with Oath of Druids?


Yes

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=373535
9/15/2013 The type-changing ability that can make the God not be a creature functions only on the battlefield. It’s always a creature card in other zones, regardless of your devotion to its color.
9/15/2013 If a God enters the battlefield, your devotion to its color (including the mana symbols in the mana cost of the God itself) will determine if a creature entered the battlefield or not, for abilities that trigger whenever a creature enters the battlefield.

Yes, it's confusing that the type changing ability only affects the card while it's in play but can still stop it from entering play as a creature.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Schwingzilla:
All right, I'm playing Dredge again. Flayer of the Hatebound with Bridge From Below. Do tokens that come into play trigger Flayer of the Hatebound? Or are the tokens not coming into play from the graveyard?

The tokens are not entering play from the graveyard, so they don't trigger Flayer's ability.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
Signal the Clans:

You can search for any three cards that have "creature" as a type. Extra types like enchantment, artifact, or legendary don't matter as long as the word "creature" is also there.

Polukranos:

If you activate with 0 as the X cost the ability will deal 0 damage. The X in the ability text is the same X in the activation cost, it is not based on the creature's power.

Gift of Immortality and Heroic:

When you cast and aura it targets the creature so it will trigger heroic, but when it comes back it doesn't target the creature - it just becomes attached. You will have to cast a new spell if you want to trigger the heroic ability again.



thanks man it answered me well..

3 final question asked this is a little bet arguing with me and my pal...

[QUOTE]Fanatic of Mogis

Creature — Minotaur Shaman (U)
When Fanatic of Mogis enters the battlefield, it deals damage to each opponent equal to your devotion to red. (Each R in the mana costs of permanents you control counts towards your devotion to red.)
4/2[QUOTE]


1.1)this a situation i have 2 Burning Three Emissary in play and a Hammer of phorphorus when i cast Fanatic of Mogis then my pal countered my Fanatic of Mogis by Render Silence..THE QUESTION IS: do he take 7 damaged by devotion to when it comes into play.even if my Fanatic of Mogis is countered by Render Silence or do he take no damaged by devotion to red becuase Fanatic of Mogis is countered..


1.2)

[QUOTE]Burning Three Emissary

Creature - Human Shaman (U)
When Burning-Tree Emissary enters the battlefield, add GR to your mana pool.
2/2[QUOTE]


1.2)can i add 2 mana 1G1R if even if Burning Three Emissary is countered by Syncopate..

2)my opponent cast a sphinx revelation for 9 then in responds to his revelation i cast Skullcrank..the QUESTION is do he gain 9 life or just simply draw 9 cards and gain nothing....

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Encantadian:

thanks man it answered me well..

3 final question asked this is a little bet arguing with me and my pal...

[QUOTE]Fanatic of Mogis

Creature — Minotaur Shaman (U)
When Fanatic of Mogis enters the battlefield, it deals damage to each opponent equal to your devotion to red. (Each R in the mana costs of permanents you control counts towards your devotion to red.)
4/2[QUOTE]


1.1)this a situation i have 2 Burning Three Emissary in play and a Hammer of phorphorus when i cast Fanatic of Mogis then my pal countered my Fanatic of Mogis by Render Silence..THE QUESTION IS: do he take 7 damaged by devotion to when it comes into play.even if my Fanatic of Mogis is countered by Render Silence or do he take no damaged by devotion to red becuase Fanatic of Mogis is countered..


1.2)

[QUOTE]Burning Three Emissary

Creature - Human Shaman (U)
When Burning-Tree Emissary enters the battlefield, add GR to your mana pool.
2/2[QUOTE]


1.2)can i add 2 mana 1G1R if even if Burning Three Emissary is countered by Syncopate..

2)my opponent cast a sphinx revelation for 9 then in responds to his revelation i cast Skullcrank..the QUESTION is do he gain 9 life or just simply draw 9 cards and gain nothing....


1. No. The creature was countered. It left the stack and went directly to the graveyard. I guess I should also note that the "player cannot cast spells" part doesn't go into effect until it resolves and does not affect spells already on the stack.

2. Same deal as #1. Answer is no. Never came into play so the enters-the-battlefield ability never triggers.

3. He draws 9 cards, gains no life and takes 3 damage from Skullcrack. This assumes that there are no other triggers and no one casts anything else.

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Can Forcefield prevent damage from a planeswalker you control, or just you as a player?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by GenghisTom:
Can Forcefield prevent damage from a planeswalker you control, or just you as a player?

"1: The next time an unblocked creature of your choice would deal combat damage to you this turn, prevent all but 1 of that damage."

Doesn't say planeswalker so doesn't prevent any damage to planeswalkers.

 
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I want to know rules on Forbidden Alchemy,Someone said 3 cards goes into the graveyard first before Forbidden Alchemy does .

Forbidden Alchemy English
Instant, 2U (3)

Look at the top four cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the rest into your graveyard.

Flashback {6}{B} (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)

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Originally posted by flavor_of_the_weak:
I want to know rules on Forbidden Alchemy,Someone said 3 cards goes into the graveyard first before Forbidden Alchemy does

that is correct. The spell is on the stack while it is doing whatever it does. Once the spell has resolved, the last thing it does is go to the graveyard.

 
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Does the counter activated abilities of spells such as Voidslime work on plains walkers?
 

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