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Our_Benefactors Member	posted July 28, 2013 03:50 PM quote: Originally posted by Aleric: question: If I have a Golgari guild mage that lets me sacrifice a creature to get a creature out of my grave yard and a penumbra spider that when it dies puts a black copy of itself on the battlefield, can I sacrifice the penumbra spider, put the black copy onto the battlefield, and put the regular copy back in my hand? No - You choose targets, then pay costs. You can't target the penumbra spider to return it since it's not in your graveyard, because you haven't sacrificed it yet to pay for the effect.
choco man Member	posted July 29, 2013 05:41 PM How do you use Riku and Worldgorger Dragon to make infinite mana?
oneofchaos Member	posted July 29, 2013 06:16 PM quote: Originally posted by choco man: How do you use Riku and Worldgorger Dragon to make infinite mana? "Cast WGD, resolves. Two triggers exist. Stack exile then copy. Create a copy WGD token, and you now have two exile triggers. First you exile everything except the token WGD, triggering the return of no permanents exiled from the original WGD. Then you have to exile the token WGD, triggering the return of all your other permanents, including the original WGD. This results in the same two triggers as before, since Riku sees the original WGD entering again at the same time. Stack the same way, floating mana from all your lands while only spending UG each time. Repeat until you have whatever number of mana you want, but at some point you end up with only a Worldgorger Dragon and an arbitrarily large amount of mana, because you have to eventually choose not to make a copy to progress the game state, and the original WGD will exile all your other permanents."
keywacat Member	posted July 30, 2013 08:32 AM Am I correct in assuming that the Disciple of the Vault / Sharuum / Sculpting Steel combo no longer works under the new rules for legendary permanents? __________________ "Trade to trade, not to keep" -Suq'Ata motto
chaos021 Member	posted July 30, 2013 11:01 AM quote: Originally posted by keywacat: Am I correct in assuming that the Disciple of the Vault / Sharuum / Sculpting Steel combo no longer works under the new rules for legendary permanents? Isn't it just half as effective?
keywacat Member	posted July 30, 2013 02:57 PM quote: Originally posted by chaos021: Isn't it just half as effective? Half as effective meaning it falls flat as you cannot 'go infinite'. Since you keep one Sharuum in play you don't get two triggers. [Edited 1 times, lastly by keywacat on July 31, 2013]
SageShadows Member	posted July 30, 2013 03:47 PM I found this online: http://tabakrules.tumblr.com/post/52270358681/i-was-wondering-how-the-new-legendary-rule-affects-the Hope it helps.
walkerdog Member	posted July 30, 2013 04:20 PM quote: Originally posted by keywacat: Half as effective meaning it falls flat as you cannot 'go infinite'. Since you keep one Sharuum in play you don't get two triggers. You still keep looping one of the guys... just takes twice as many loops to do the amount of life to be lost that you had to do before.
Pail42 Member	posted July 31, 2013 11:17 AM quote: Originally posted by keywacat: Am I correct in assuming that the Disciple of the Vault / Sharuum / Sculpting Steel combo no longer works under the new rules for legendary permanents? This combo works BETTER now since you can do it with non-artifact clone cards. Clone and cackling counterpart work just as well as sculpting steel if Sharuum is already in play.
chaos021 Member	posted July 31, 2013 01:18 PM quote: Originally posted by Pail42: This combo works BETTER now since you can do it with non-artifact clone cards. Clone and cackling counterpart work just as well as sculpting steel if Sharuum is already in play. Doesn't the trigger only retrieve artifacts? If so, I'm not sure how non-artifact clones would work.
walkerdog Member	posted July 31, 2013 01:20 PM quote: Originally posted by chaos021: Doesn't the trigger only retrieve artifacts? If so, I'm not sure how non-artifact clones would work. Are you familiar with the new legend rule? Basically, if you and your controller both control a legend, they don't 'legendrule' each other. If you control 2 of the same legend, instead of immediately saccing both, you immediately choose and sac one. In this case, you'd just keep sacing/returning sharuum.
chaos021 Member	posted August 01, 2013 07:44 PM quote: Originally posted by walkerdog: Are you familiar with the new legend rule? Basically, if you and your controller both control a legend, they don't 'legendrule' each other. If you control 2 of the same legend, instead of immediately saccing both, you immediately choose and sac one. In this case, you'd just keep sacing/returning sharuum. I am. So instead sac'ing both and getting 2 triggers of each, you get one. Hence "half as effective" or is my math wrong? Dividing by 2 is still counted as half, right?
LordShaithis Member	posted August 02, 2013 12:24 AM Populate question: Say I have a 5/5 wurm token from a "Advent of the wurm" I casted. I then cast say "eyes in the skies". Do I have to populate the bird token from "eyes" or can I populate the wurm instead? Im a bit confused on the wording on this. [Edited 1 times, lastly by LordShaithis on August 02, 2013]
choco man Member	posted August 02, 2013 12:33 AM quote: Originally posted by LordShaithis: Populate question: Say I have a 5/5 wurm token from a "Advent of the wurm" I casted. I then cast say "eyes in the skies". Do I have to populate the bird token from "eyes" or can I populate the wurm instead? Im a bit confused on the wording on this. When you do the populate part of the card, you can choose any token in play that you have. So if you have a more awesome token such as the 5/5 Wurm already in play, you can choose that instead of the 1/1 Bird that you just got.
chaos021 Member	posted August 02, 2013 06:39 AM quote: Originally posted by walkerdog: Are you familiar with the new legend rule? Basically, if you and your controller both control a legend, they don't 'legendrule' each other. If you control 2 of the same legend, instead of immediately saccing both, you immediately choose and sac one. In this case, you'd just keep sacing/returning sharuum. I am. So instead sac'ing both and getting 2 triggers of each, you get one. Hence "half as effective" or is my math wrong? Dividing by 2 is still counted as half, right?
Pail42 Member	posted August 02, 2013 09:02 AM quote: Originally posted by chaos021: I am. So instead sac'ing both and getting 2 triggers of each, you get one. Hence "half as effective" or is my math wrong? Dividing by 2 is still counted as half, right? Nobody argued the half thing. The person you quoted was explaining how the combo now works with non-artifact and token copies. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Pail42 on August 02, 2013]
chaos021 Member	posted August 02, 2013 02:43 PM quote: Originally posted by Pail42: Nobody argued the half thing. The person you quoted was explaining how the combo now works with non-artifact and token copies. My bad. As for that part, I thought the combo is on less steady ground if you don't have some artifact cloning it because the trigger can't retrieve a non-artifact clone. I'm not saying it can't be done, but it is more vulnerable if you don't use a normal Clone to make it go, right?
Pail42 Member	posted August 02, 2013 04:02 PM quote: Originally posted by chaos021: My bad. As for that part, I thought the combo is on less steady ground if you don't have some artifact cloning it because the trigger can't retrieve a non-artifact clone. I'm not saying it can't be done, but it is more vulnerable if you don't use a normal Clone to make it go, right? It's marginally more vulnerable. Before you needed instant-speed graveyard purge to prevent the triggers from bringing back the actual Sharuum - and that will still stop the combo. Now you can also use instant speed destruction to get rid of the Sharuum that is left in play while the trigger is on the stack. However; if you have destruction that targets a creature you could just kill the Disciple of the Vault or kill the original Sharuum before the copy enters play to begin with.
humbleacolyte Member	posted August 03, 2013 04:13 PM Forgive me if this has already been asked/answered. I checked google and couldn't find a clear rules on the EDH pages for this. Are cards that are currently in Standard legal in EDH decks? i.e, can I play a card that has only been printed in Dragonmaze in my EDH deck?
Pail42 Member	posted August 03, 2013 05:37 PM quote: Originally posted by humbleacolyte: Forgive me if this has already been asked/answered. I checked google and couldn't find a clear rules on the EDH pages for this. Are cards that are currently in Standard legal in EDH decks? i.e, can I play a card that has only been printed in Dragonmaze in my EDH deck? Almost all cards are legal in EDH with exception of the banned list. FYI Worldfire is standard legal but banned in commander. http://mtgcommander.net/rules.php
LordShaithis Member	posted August 03, 2013 10:17 PM If I have two guttersnipes out and I cast one sorcery do their abilities stack? Would my opponent take 2 or 4?
chaos021 Member	posted August 04, 2013 03:54 AM quote: Originally posted by LordShaithis: If I have two guttersnipes out and I cast one sorcery do their abilities stack? Would my opponent take 2 or 4? Each sorcery or instant triggers both Guttersnipes' ability. So your opponent takes 4 damage assuming nothing else was done.
ardeay Member	posted August 05, 2013 09:47 PM Does Sen Triplets fire off every turn?
chaos021 Member	posted August 05, 2013 09:53 PM quote: Originally posted by ardeay: Does Sen Triplets fire off every turn? On every one of your turns during your upkeep.
ardeay Member	posted August 05, 2013 10:03 PM quote: Originally posted by chaos021: On every one of your turns during your upkeep. Holy crap, that card is broken!! so i could play their lands etc every turn? I imagine people HATE this in commander?

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