If you are going to answer a question, please be 100% sure that your answer is correct. If you are just guessing or *think* you know the answer, keep it to yourself. There are plenty of judges and people who will know it correctly, and if multiple answers are given, it just confuses the person who asked.

This thread is a flame-free zone. If you can't be civil, don't respond. New players shouldn't be worried about being made fun of when they're trying to learn.

Some information for ya...

Say I have a Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker in play equipped with a Thornbite Staff. I also have an Altar of Dementia and a 1/1 creature in play. My opponent has one Emrakul, the Aeons Torn somewhere in his/her library.

Could I just say, "Mill you until Emrakul is the last card in your library?" or would I have to manually mill until I reach that state?

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Originally posted by jasonost:
Could I just say, "Mill you until Emrakul is the last card in your library?" or would I have to manually mill until I reach that state?

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Yes, you suggest "I will repeat this until there is one card left in your library" and then your opponent has to also agree.

See section 716.2 of the rules.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
Yes, you suggest "I will repeat this until there is one card left in your library" and then your opponent has to also agree.

See section 716.2 of the rules.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were also specific tournament rules regarding this, because your opponent could stall the clock by making you take each action individually.

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No you can't. You can only repeat a loop if you can determine the outcome exactly after a specific number of loops.

Example. "I will loop this 200 times and have 400 mana"
or "i'll tap and untap kiki 2000 times and make 2000 dudes"

You can't say "I'll mill you enough times till the only card left is Emrakul"

This is why the 4 Horsemen deck can't be played in Sanctioned magic tournaments.

The rule is covered in the IPG 3.3 Slow PLay

"It is also slow play if a player continues to execute a loop without being able to provide an exact number of iterations and the expected resulting game state."

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Originally posted by TimeBeing:
The rule is covered in the IPG 3.3 Slow PLay

"It is also slow play if a player continues to execute a loop without being able to provide an exact number of iterations and the expected resulting game state."

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for reference,
http://www.wizards.com/ContentResources/Wizards/WPN/Main/Documents/Magic_The_Gathering_Infraction_Procedure_Guide_PDF3.pdf

There's the answer, since you can't provide an exact number of mills it would take it is considered slow play if you mill more than once after somebody complains.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
Doesn't this mean that Omni-tell is also a "slow play" combo with Petals of Insight and Omniscience?

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Originally posted by caquaa:
no, because you'll be able to stop since this is not not based on a random event (no shuffling involved). if you're taking too long to resolve each cast, then it would likely be considered slow play of course.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
Unless you can specify and exact number and an exact outcome tournament rules consider any loop slow play - at least that's what I can tell. Since you don't know how many times you will need to play petals of insight it falls into the same category as milling a deck down to one Emrakul.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
You can essentially state you'll cast it 25 times of less... aka a definite ending point. You cannot calculate such a number of iterations for a "mill until emrakul is the last card in your deck" and cannot short cut this since it involves shuffling...

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He tournament rules state an 'exact' number must be chosen. "No more than X" is not an exact number.

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Originally posted by caquaa:

I do have a question about tournament rules. It states that players are able to request to judges that no spectators be allowed for a match, but I didn't find what the judge is required to do. Does the judge have to comply? do they have a tiny amount or full amount of discretion?

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Judges will tend to ask why and go from there. Most cases it's not a huge deal, but sometime s the TO may get involved. It's a very rare request.

Do note its says "Players may request that a spectator not observe their matches." So that's not; I want no one watching my match please stay by my match and do crowd control. That's more like this guy is sick and coughing behind me can you ask him to move.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
He tournament rules state an 'exact' number must be chosen. "No more than X" is not an exact number.

The situations are different because one is bounded and one is indeterminate, but the rules don't account for the difference.

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I've seen games wehere someone watching the game makes a statement like "you know, you could've destroyed your blocker before damage and then he wouldn't have gained any life from lifelink."

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Originally posted by Magic1264:
Would spectators commenting about strategy also fall under a reasonable reason to request spectators not observe their matches?

I've seen games wehere someone watching the game makes a statement like "you know, you could've destroyed your blocker before damage and then he wouldn't have gained any life from lifelink."

Can you request people not watch if they talk like that, or do the judges just deal with those people individually for outside assistance?

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if people are talking relevant strategy within earshot, or offering any advice on what 'could have been done', call a judge immediately. the judge will remove them, and if they're in the event, THEY will get a warning too. the game is you vs your opp, not you vs your opp and his friends.

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Originally posted by southparker2002:
What's the actual ruling for Terminus? It doesn't specify creatures on the battlefield. It says all creatures. So that means all creatures in your graveyard, hand, library, and battlefield go to bottom of your library?

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no. most wrath effects are worded 'all creatures'. the term creature literally means 'creature card on the battlefield'. in any other zone, it is a 'creature CARD'. look at unburial rites, http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=227087

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Originally posted by TomB999:
Can an Oblivion Ring take out a Stillmoon Cavalier?

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Originally posted by ojeda21:
I have a quick question

Ok say I have a boros reckoner and 7 life my opponent as x3 6/6 beast attacking into my reckoner I block x1. Could I have the reckoner deal it's ability damage from blocking to 1 of the other beast before I take the 12 and lose

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reckoner cannot deal damage until after it takes damage, and combat damage is all dealt simultaneously. pair of 6/6's deal 6 each to you, 3rd hits reckoner. reckoner triggers, but before this goes on the stack, state based actions are checked. they see you dead. you die, lose the game. reckoner trigger never does anything.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Does Heartless Summoning reduce the cost of creatures I cast from a graveyard with Havengul Lich?

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yes

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(in other words, do CIP ability trigger with the Portal?

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