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Topic: The Rulings and Questions Thread, Part 54--Post ALL Your Rules Questions Here
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yoriagami Member
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posted May 26, 2013 08:59 AM
quote: Originally posted by thror: The additional (1) from sphere is not added on to the mana cost of the card, but to the total cost you have to pay. Cascade says you can cast it without paying the mana cost, but you would still have to pay (1) for each sphere. Total Cost encompasses the printed casting cost, any increases or decreases due to effect, and any additional costs such as life payment. Cascade ONLY lets you ignore the printed casting cost. Force of will has an alternate cost of 'exile a blue card, pay 1 life'. If there was a sphere in play, you could use this alternate cost, but you would still have to pay (1) for each sphere.
100% clear now. Thanks man!
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skizzikmonger Member
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posted May 26, 2013 02:52 PM
Missed triggers question for clarification. My opponent has a Blood Artist in play and three creatures die. Does my opponent have to announce each of the Blood Artist triggers for them to happen, or, since BA's ability is not a 'may' ability, will they happen automatically?
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thror Member
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posted May 26, 2013 03:00 PM
That one is dealt with in the Magic Tournament Rules:4.4 Triggered Abilities Players are expected to remember their own triggered abilities; intentionally ignoring one is Cheating. Players are not required to point out the existence of triggered abilities that they do not control, though they may do so within a turn if they wish. Triggered abilities are considered to be forgotten by their controller once they have taken an action past the point where the triggered ability would have an observable impact on the game. Triggered abilitiesthat are forgotten are not considered to have gone onto the stack. Your opp MUST announce his triggers. Likewise, you must announce yours.
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yoriagami Member
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posted May 27, 2013 06:27 AM
My opponent has a Smokestack in play with one or more soot counters. I understand that I can't do anything on my upkeep before the SS's ability goes on the stack (being "at the beginning of ... upkeep"). Correct? Now if in response to the SS's triggered ability I activate a Nev Disk and wipe the table (including, therefore, the soot counters as part of the Smokestack's destruction), when the SS ability resolves, do I need to sacrifice anything? In other words, when the SS ability goes on the stack, does it already "translate" the number of soot counters at that time into number of permanents to sac?
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ermabwed Member
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posted May 27, 2013 09:04 AM
The answers to your two questions are actually different. The number of permanents sacrificed to Smokestack is not locked in when it triggers. You can stack the sacrifice trigger followed by the "add a counter" trigger and end up sacrificing something for the counter just added (obviously the commonly correct play is to do that in the other order).However, for the special case where the card is no longer in play when the ability resolves, the ability will use the number of counters that were on it at the time it left play (not at the time it triggered, if those are different). __________________ Always buying misprints. See my list for the best Alternate 4th buy prices in the world (bulk rares $3!) T-Chinese Portal Feral Shadow $8 Legends APs
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yoriagami Member
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posted May 27, 2013 09:15 AM
Clear, thanks!
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Pail42 Member
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posted May 27, 2013 09:22 AM
quote: Originally posted by hilikuS: Can I use Steam Catapult twice if I have two attack steps? Like if I have Breath of Fury on a guy, attack with my team, score a hit with Breath of Fury guy.
I believe the answer is no. The usual rules template for abilities like this is "use this only during combat before attackers are declared". The usual wording makes it clear that you can use it every combat phase.
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flavor_of_the_weak Member
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posted May 27, 2013 05:31 PM
Would Jace's Archivist ability won't kill Psychosis Crawler Jace's Archivist {U}, {T}: Each player discards his or her hand, then draws cards equal to the greatest number of cards a player discarded this way. Psychosis Crawler Psychosis Crawler's power and toughness are each equal to the number of cards in your hand. Whenever you draw a card, each opponent loses 1 life __________________ Term Respect Is Used To Often,Get A Free Token Card In Every Trade!R.I.P Lucky (1997-2003).
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thror Member
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posted May 27, 2013 05:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by flavor_of_the_weak: Would Jace's Archivist ability won't kill Psychosis Crawler Jace's Archivist {U}, {T}: Each player discards his or her hand, then draws cards equal to the greatest number of cards a player discarded this way. Psychosis Crawler Psychosis Crawler's power and toughness are each equal to the number of cards in your hand. Whenever you draw a card, each opponent loses 1 life
correct, archivist will not kill the crawler. state based actions are only checked after a spell or ability fully resolves. each player will discard, then draw, then state based actions will check the game, and presumably see a crawler the same size as before. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."<@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted <@Anusien> Pretty sure New Zealanders are the sheep shaggers <KIP_NZ> Anusien: I'm a kiwi and I've shagged a sheep
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wisknudde Member
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posted May 30, 2013 01:51 AM
If I were to attack with Kaalia of the Vast and put Master of Cruelties into play. Will his attack and not blocked clause work, thus lowering that player' life to 1 and then Kaalia who finishes him off?
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Devonin Member
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posted May 30, 2013 04:43 AM
His ability would work if they chose not to block him or couldn't block him for some reason, and then yes, her combat damage would kill the opponent.
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coinmagic45 Member
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posted May 30, 2013 08:37 AM
I'm sure this has been asked before, so sorry for the repeat:If I cast Epic Experiment for x=2 and hit Breaking/Entering, can I cast the "Entering" side for free? Does it check the cc = 2 for "Breaking" and then give me the option? Kind of like cascade + Boom/Bust? Thanks! Mark
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Devonin Member
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posted May 30, 2013 02:23 PM
Boom/Bust is a split card.Breaking/Entering is a fuse card. You can only fuse when you play it from your hand, so you can't try anything clever to get BOTH spells out of it. However, you can definitely use Entering if you hit it on an Epic Experiment sufficient only to cast Breaking. 708.6a An effect that performs a positive comparison (such as asking if a card is red) or a relative comparison (such as asking if a card's converted mana cost is less than 2) involving characteristics of one or more split cards in any zone other than the stack gets only one answer. This answer is "yes" if either side of each split card in the comparison would return a "yes" answer if compared individually. 708.2a If a player casts a split card, that player chooses which half of that split card he or she is casting before putting it onto the stack. So it asks "Is the converted mana cost of this spell 2 or less?" and gets "Yes" as the answer and says "Okay, you may now cast this spell." And since you're casting a split card, you get to pick which half you cast, which could be Entering.
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DarKLava Member
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posted June 02, 2013 02:14 PM
For Heritage Druid, to activate it's ability, do you need three present elves on the board to tap? Or could you tap two elves, then bounce one and play it and then tap it?To clarify, I mean to ask its activation cost needs to be paid simultaneously? Thanks!
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Sovarius Member
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posted June 02, 2013 02:22 PM
quote: Originally posted by DarKLava: To clarify, I mean to ask its activation cost needs to be paid simultaneously?Thanks!
Yes absolutely. While paying costs you cannot do anything else. You select three and tap them at once then the ability goes on the stack. __________________ Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief, and other vampire females oddities (crimp miscut misprint sign testprint alters etc)My Saleslist Wants
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caquaa Member
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posted June 03, 2013 02:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by Sovarius: Yes absolutely. While paying costs you cannot do anything else. You select three and tap them at once then the ability goes on the stack.
since its a mana ability, it would just resolve.
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ryan2754 Member
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posted June 03, 2013 03:32 PM
I have Melek, Izzet Paragon in play.I play a Crib Swap using Sunforger. Do I get the copy from Melek since I 'cast' it from my Library or no. __________________ -Schmitty T-80th in Refs [298] on MOTL (with weitz and Avatar of Might) 2nd in Refs [298] in OH-IO (656 behind souladvocate) 2nd in Posts [8065] in OH-IO (only 20 behind Val!) “If Brad Stevens is the future of coaching in college basketball, the sport is in a good place.” - Rick Pitino
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Devonin Member
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posted June 03, 2013 03:33 PM
01/10/2005 The card is cast from your library, not your hand.That's a yes.
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ryan2754 Member
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posted June 03, 2013 03:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by Devonin: 01/10/2005 The card is cast from your library, not your hand.That's a yes.
Welp, that makes it an inclusion in my EDH deck __________________ -Schmitty T-80th in Refs [298] on MOTL (with weitz and Avatar of Might) 2nd in Refs [298] in OH-IO (656 behind souladvocate) 2nd in Posts [8065] in OH-IO (only 20 behind Val!) “If Brad Stevens is the future of coaching in college basketball, the sport is in a good place.” - Rick Pitino
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AEther Storm Member
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posted June 14, 2013 07:17 AM
If I cast a Havoc Festival in a 2HG game, will our opponents lose on their next turn? As the triggers go off at the same time (I suppose, or does the captain go first)Thus, if they have 18 life, will they bose lose 9 on their upkeep and lose the game of will Player 1 lose 9 and Player 2 lose 5? __________________ I'm a geek, you're a geek. Let's trade.Lord Flasheart: Enter the man who has no underwear. Ask me why. Lieutenant George: Why do you have no underwear, Lord Flash? Lord Flasheart: Because the pants haven't been built yet that'll take the job on!
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orcishartillery Member
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posted June 14, 2013 02:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by AEther Storm: If I cast a Havoc Festival in a 2HG game, will our opponents lose on their next turn? As the triggers go off at the same time (I suppose, or does the captain go first)Thus, if they have 18 life, will they bose lose 9 on their upkeep and lose the game of will Player 1 lose 9 and Player 2 lose 5?
The latter, because the ability triggers for each opponent, and the two occurrences resolve one at a time. A ruling in Gatherer confirms this:"In a Two-Headed Giant game, the last ability triggers for each player. Any life loss is applied to the team’s life total. For example, if the team has 30 life, the first ability will cause the player (and thus the team) to lose 15 life and then the second ability will cause the other player (and thus the team) to lose 8 life. The team will end up having 7 life."
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Sovarius Member
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posted June 15, 2013 07:58 AM
I have a creature with regeneration and Totem Armor from an umbra, and it would be destroyed, both of these triggers go off... Do they both resolve? Or can i somehow save my umbra?
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Pyrocarm Member
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posted June 15, 2013 10:32 AM
Can I target any number of things for "0" with Aurelia's fury?__________________ "and on the second day god made saturn, and he liked it. . .so he put a ring on it."I collect foil and unique lands.
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Leeroy Member
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posted June 15, 2013 03:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pyrocarm: Can I target any number of things for "0" with Aurelia's fury?
No, you can't. 601.2d. If the spell requires the player to divide or distribute an effect (such as damage or counters) among one or more targets, the player announces the division. Each of these targets must receive at least one of whatever is being divided.
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Devonin Member
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posted June 15, 2013 06:37 PM
Yes, you can. As per Fireball, you can choose X to be zero, you can choose zero targets when you cast the spell.However I'm not sure why you would unless they were all illusions, because the tap effect only works on creatures that were dealt damage by it, not targetted by it. That rule quoted above doesn't even apply to Aurelia's Fury because it only cares if the player is asked to divide up the effect. Fury only asks the player to choose the targets, it divides the damage itself upon resolution. This is in comparison to Rolling Thunder which says that YOU divide the damage how you want among any number of targets. That means you can't pick more targets than there are points of damage, because you have to give assign at least one damage to each target. Spells that divide evenly are perfectly capable of rounding down to zero.
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