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rockondon
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so last night my opponent puts mikaeus and triskelion into play. I have gisela, blade of goldnight in play. Does she prevent all the damage that it could do to me?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by rockondon:
so last night my opponent puts mikaeus and triskelion into play. I have gisela, blade of goldnight in play. Does she prevent all the damage that it could do to me?

Yes, since the .5 is rounded down to 0 (which is why she is great with painlands)

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With cards like Possibility Storm where you exile cards, are all of the cards which are exiled public knowledge?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:
With cards like Possibility Storm where you exile cards, are all of the cards which are exiled public knowledge?

Yes. exiled cards are always face up unless otherwise specified. Compare to something like Windbrisk Heights. http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=145798

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Myy
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posted May 12, 2013 06:33 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Myy Click Here to Email Myy Send a private message to Myy Click to send Myy an Instant MessageVisit Myy's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
In two headed giant, i have a creature with exalted, and ny teammate has a creature as well, we attack the other player, since we share combat steps, does my creature get exalted or not?
 
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10/1/2008 In a Two-Headed Giant game, a creature "attacks alone" if it's the only creature declared as an attacker by your entire team. If you control that attacking creature, your exalted abilities will trigger but your teammate's exalted abilities won't.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=174963

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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
10/1/2008 In a Two-Headed Giant game, a creature "attacks alone" if it's the only creature declared as an attacker by your entire team. If you control that attacking creature, your exalted abilities will trigger but your teammate's exalted abilities won't.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=174963


Awesome, that's what I thought.

 
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I have two Delver of Secrets in play, and an Aether Vial with 1 counter. My opponent casts Lightning Bolt targeting a Delver. In response, I activate Aether Vial and play Faerie Imposter, returning the targeted Delver to my hand. What happens to the lightning bolt?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by VJames83:
I have two Delver of Secrets in play, and an Aether Vial with 1 counter. My opponent casts Lightning Bolt targeting a Delver. In response, I activate Aether Vial and play Faerie Imposter, returning the targeted Delver to my hand. What happens to the lightning bolt?

It fizzles, because the target is no longer there.

He can't chose a new legal target. so the lightning bolt gets countered.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by VJames83:
I have two Delver of Secrets in play, and an Aether Vial with 1 counter. My opponent casts Lightning Bolt targeting a Delver. In response, I activate Aether Vial and play Faerie Imposter, returning the targeted Delver to my hand. What happens to the lightning bolt?

the lightning bolt will be countered upon resolution due to lack of a legal target (the delver it was pointed at is no longer there). it will 'fizzle' and do nothing.

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If I copy a modal spell, does the copy have the same modes?
 
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Originally posted by choco man:
If I copy a modal spell, does the copy have the same modes?

Yes,

If the spell Reverberate copies is modal (that is, it says "Choose one --" or the like), the copy will have the same mode. You can't choose a different one.

That's from reverberate's rules but applies to all copying

 
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Does Graffdigger's Cage prevent playing the top card of a library with Garruk's Horde? The creature is on top when you start but it enters play from the stack, so my guess is that Cage loses to Horde.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
Does Graffdigger's Cage prevent playing the top card of a library with Garruk's Horde? The creature is on top when you start but it enters play from the stack, so my guess is that Cage loses to Horde.

youre talking about the firstcage abikity. read the second. you cant cast it from your library, the top card of your library is still your library. nothing to do with the stack, it doesn't even get that far.

 
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It does help to read the full card *facepalm*
 
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If I use Tibalt's first power to draw a card, then discard a card, if its an instant can I cast that before having to discard?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Zarfolos132:
If I use Tibalt's first power to draw a card, then discard a card, if its an instant can I cast that before having to discard?

No. effects must FULLY resolve before anyone can do anything else. you cant do half, do an entire new effect, and then do the rest.

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posted May 24, 2013 10:14 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for yoriagami Click Here to Email yoriagami Send a private message to yoriagami Click to send yoriagami an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Was a bit confused by the "Ancestral Vision for no drawback out of Cascade" play.

"Cascade" means "When you cast this spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card whose converted mana cost is less than this spell's converted mana cost. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. [...]"

So if Ancestral Vision has no mana cost at all (not zero, simply inexistent cost), which is the basis for you not being able to cast it normally, how come it fulfills the Cascade requirement of being a "nonland card whose CMC is less than..."?

Or was my opponent in the wrong on that account?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by yoriagami on May 27, 2013]

 
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Every spell has a Converted Mana Cost. The CMC of visions IS Zero. the ACTUAL mana cost doesnt exist, so you cant pay it. But i assure you, the CMC is Zero.

Cascade then conveniently lets you cast it without paying for it.

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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
Every spell has a Converted Mana Cost. The CMC of visions IS Zero. the ACTUAL mana cost doesnt exist, so you cant pay it. But i assure you, the CMC is Zero.

Cascade then conveniently lets you cast it without paying for it.


Aaah, OK, that explains it, thanks.

EDIT -> also on Cascade, the cost exemption granted by the ability just applies to the "normal" cost yes? Like if I have a Sphere of Resistance in play, Cascaded spells still cost 1 right?

How does this relate with Ancestral Visions (again)? If it's cast in Cascade and I have a Sphere in play, do I need to pay 1 for the Visions? Or, since it has no cost to start with, the cost can't be increased either (you can't increase or decrease an inexistent value)?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by yoriagami on May 25, 2013]

 
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The additional (1) from sphere is not added on to the mana cost of the card, but to the total cost you have to pay. Cascade says you can cast it without paying the mana cost, but you would still have to pay (1) for each sphere.

Total Cost encompasses the printed casting cost, any increases or decreases due to effect, and any additional costs such as life payment. Cascade ONLY lets you ignore the printed casting cost.

Force of will has an alternate cost of 'exile a blue card, pay 1 life'. If there was a sphere in play, you could use this alternate cost, but you would still have to pay (1) for each sphere.

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[Edited 2 times, lastly by thror on May 25, 2013]

 
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If I control Cloudfin Raptor, and Attended Knight enters the battlefield under my control, my Raptor is still a 1/2, correct? Or can I stack the triggers such that the Raptor ends up being a 2/3?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Undomian:
If I control Cloudfin Raptor, and Attended Knight enters the battlefield under my control, my Raptor is still a 1/2, correct? Or can I stack the triggers such that the Raptor ends up being a 2/3?

You can stack triggers such that raptor is a 2/3

Attended knight hits the field
Evolve trigger goes onto the stack
Attended knight's ability goes on the stack on top of that, and resolves first
A creature hit the field
Evolve triggers, and evolve resolves seeing a creature with greater power (the soldier)
Now left on the stack is Evolve, triggered from the knight
It resolves, and sees a creature with greater power


Your two abilities trigger at once, so you stack in whichever order. Yes, you could end up with a 1/2 if you wanted, that would evolve the Raptor first, then the soldier hits play, and the second evolve never even triggers.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:
You can stack triggers such that raptor is a 2/3

Attended knight hits the field
Evolve trigger goes onto the stack
Attended knight's ability goes on the stack on top of that, and resolves first
A creature hit the field
Evolve triggers, and evolve resolves seeing a creature with greater power (the soldier)
Now left on the stack is Evolve, triggered from the knight
It resolves, and sees a creature with greater power


Your two abilities trigger at once, so you stack in whichever order. Yes, you could end up with a 1/2 if you wanted, that would evolve the Raptor first, then the soldier hits play, and the second evolve never even triggers.


Awesome, thanks.

 
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Can I use Steam Catapult twice if I have two attack steps? Like if I have Breath of Fury on a guy, attack with my team, score a hit with Breath of Fury guy.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=221567

http://magiccards.info/query?q=o%3Adamage+c%21r+r%3Arare+e%3Arav%2Fen&v=card&s=cname

 

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