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Topic: The Rulings and Questions Thread, Part 54--Post ALL Your Rules Questions Here
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rockondon Member
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posted April 19, 2013 09:59 AM
I have melek, izzet paragon and at least 7 lands in play. If I manage to make the top two cards turnabout (top) and memory lapse (2nd from top), is it possible to turn this into an infinite mana combo? Perhaps by having memory lapse resolve first, targeting turnabout, followed by the memory lapse copy targeting memory lapse, putting both cards back on top of the library with only the turnabout copy spell resolving. Yeah I know that's confusing.
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thror Member
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posted April 19, 2013 10:20 AM
Sadly, no. Ill use a stack diagram and show you why.Turnabout copy Turnabout **cast memory lapse, get a copy.** Memory Lapse copy, targeting memory lapse Memory Lapse, targeting actual turnabout Turnabout copy Turnabout Here's the issue. The copy memory lapse always goes on top of the stack. If it targets the actual memory lapse, then that wont be there to put Turnabout back. Even if you could switch them, then the real memory lapse would resolve, and be put into your graveyard. the memory lapse copy wouldnt be able to put real memory lapse back. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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rockondon Member
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posted April 19, 2013 12:37 PM
Okay well can I at least have the two memory lapses target each other and tear a hole through the time-space continuum?
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flam flawless Member
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posted April 19, 2013 04:58 PM
Ok. Aurelia out & relentless assault or the enchantment from onslaught out. Do both trigger separately or do they stack giving you >2 attacks?
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Devonin Member
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posted April 19, 2013 07:22 PM
You'd attack with Aurelia, then after combat, you get the extra combat phase from attacking with her. Then after that one, you go into your second main phase, cast relentless assault, which will give you another attack phase after that main phase.
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flam flawless Member
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posted April 19, 2013 09:05 PM
I appreciate the response. I cant remember the name of the card from onslaught that gave them relentless assault ability as an enchantment. That was the main question I wanted to ask. Would they go off in the same swing or stack and have 2 swings?
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Devonin Member
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posted April 20, 2013 04:38 AM
Aurelia while in a combat phase causes another combat phase to happen. Relentless Assault, in a main phase, causes there to be another combat phase afterwards. You only get more combat with Relentless Assault if you cast it in a main phase.So the effective way to use it is like this: Main Phase Combat Phase (Aurelia Attacks, making more combat) Combat Phase Main Phase (Cast Relentless Assault) Combat Phase Main Phase Aggravated Assault is the enchantment, and says 3RR: Untap all your creatures, have another attack phase and main phase, cast only as a sorcery. YOu can actually use it multiple times if you have enough mana to keep activating it. So if you had 6RRRR available you could go Main Phase Combat Phase (Aurelia attacks) Combat Phase (From Aurelia) Main Phase (Activate Aggravated Assault) Combat Phase Main Phase (Activate Aggravated Assault again) Combat Phase Main Phase Also, I misunderstood what you meant by the timing and stacking, since both Assault cards are sorcery speed and you generally do them in post-combat main phase. Relentless Assault, if you had a way to cast a sorcery during combat (Orrery etc) wouldn't do anything. Ruling from Gatherer: 04/10/2004 It only creates an additional combat and main phase if it resolves during a main phase. Aggravated Assault, which you could activate in combat with an Orrery etc, would stack with Aurelia. Each one adds "an additional combat step" so they stack in the same that gaining multiple extra turns at once stack one after the other.
[Edited 3 times, lastly by Devonin on April 20, 2013]
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flam flawless Member
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posted April 20, 2013 07:57 AM
Excellent! That was What I was trying to ask yet having a hard time doing it. Thanks!
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achaye Member
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posted April 28, 2013 12:38 PM
If an opponent has a Void Maw and I have a Rest in Peace in play, what happens when creatures die?
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Devonin Member
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posted April 28, 2013 02:52 PM
If you control both Void Maw and Rest in Peace, you control two replacement effects that are both trying to replace "Is put into the graveyard from the battlefield" with "Exile" so you could apply them in whichever order you wanted, and the second attempt to exile the card would fail because the card has already been exiled.Since they control Void Maw and you control Rest In Peace, it depends upon who is the active player when the creature dies. APNAP says whichever one of your turns it is NOT will be the one whose card's replacement effect goes on the stack second, and thus resolves first.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Devonin on April 28, 2013]
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achaye Member
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posted April 28, 2013 03:42 PM
That makes sense, thanks!Second question, about passive effects. If I have a Goblin Chieftain (2/2) in play with another Goblin that's a 2/2, that 2/2 goblin would become 3/3 (2/2 with a +1/+1 effect from the chief). What if an opponent casts Infest? It would give both goblins -2/-2 until end of turn. The Chieftain would die because it doesn't get its own buff. What would happen to the other goblin though? Does it become 1/1 until end of turn, or does it die because losing the chief turns it back to 2/2, and Infest kills it with -2/-2?
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thror Member
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posted April 28, 2013 05:37 PM
all creatures get -2/-2. state based effects see a 0/0 chieftain, send him to the graveyard, and his buff stops applying. state based effects check again (because something in game happened), and now see another 0/0 goblin, which is also put into the graveyard.both will get sent to the graveyard. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."<@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted <@Anusien> Pretty sure New Zealanders are the sheep shaggers <KIP_NZ> Anusien: I'm a kiwi and I've shagged a sheep
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Leeroy Member
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posted April 28, 2013 07:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by Devonin: Since they control Void Maw and you control Rest In Peace, it depends upon who is the active player when the creature dies. APNAP says whichever one of your turns it is NOT will be the one whose card's replacement effect goes on the stack second, and thus resolves first.
No, replacement effects don't work this way. Controller of the creature that dies always gets to choose which effect applies first. quote: 616.1. If two or more replacement and/or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects an object or player, the affected object's controller (or its owner if it has no controller) or the affected player chooses one to apply ...
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mcelraca Member
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posted April 30, 2013 09:57 AM
Does this work?Opponent: Plays instant or sorcery spell Me: cast a counter spell targeting original spell. Me: in response to my other cast, cast reverberate copying original spell Does this work so I basically steal their spell?
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walkerdog Member
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posted April 30, 2013 10:00 AM
quote: Originally posted by mcelraca: Does this work?Opponent: Plays instant or sorcery spell Me: cast a counter spell targeting original spell. Me: in response to my other cast, cast reverberate copying original spell Does this work so I basically steal their spell?
Your opponent casts instant/sorc, and it goes on the stack. You put your counter on the stack, keeping priority, and put reverberate on the stack. Reverberate resolves first - the effect of his spell that you copied occurs - say lightning bolt, does 3 dmg to what you target. Then your counterspell resolves. You could also reverb it, resolve reverb, and then counter his spell.
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B14ckM4g3 Member
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posted May 02, 2013 12:25 AM
alright EDH question time:I have a mono-white artifact deck. I play a batterskull (if it's legal - part 2 will explain) Batterskull gives me a black 0/0 token attatched to batterskull. Is this legal? Does the token fizzle? I should probably know these rules, but EDH is new to me
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choco man Member
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posted May 02, 2013 02:14 AM
quote: Originally posted by B14ckM4g3: alright EDH question time:I have a mono-white artifact deck. I play a batterskull (if it's legal - part 2 will explain) Batterskull gives me a black 0/0 token attatched to batterskull. Is this legal? Does the token fizzle? I should probably know these rules, but EDH is new to me
It's legal and you keep your token Just like how any color deck can play Dark Depths.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by choco man on May 02, 2013]
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B14ckM4g3 Member
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posted May 02, 2013 11:38 AM
Thanks Chocoman. I'm just getting into edh and wanted to make sure that it was legal.
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keywacat Member
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posted May 03, 2013 04:22 PM
Ciao;I'd like to confirm something before it comes up, that is I can Momentary Blink a Meddling Mage in response to a spell being cast to effectively counter it. Cheers for the confirmation either way.
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thror Member
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posted May 03, 2013 04:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by keywacat: Ciao;I'd like to confirm something before it comes up, that is I can Momentary Blink a Meddling Mage in response to a spell being cast to effectively counter it. Cheers for the confirmation either way.
no, you cant. Mage only prevents spells from being cast, once it is actually cast, mage doesnt do anything. it never works as a counterspell. gatherer: 5/1/2009 Spells with the chosen name that somehow happen to already be on the stack when Meddling Mage enters the battlefield are not affected by Meddling Mage's ability. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."<@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted <@Anusien> Pretty sure New Zealanders are the sheep shaggers <KIP_NZ> Anusien: I'm a kiwi and I've shagged a sheep
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revenger Member
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posted May 05, 2013 11:12 AM
Does Melira effectivly nullify Curse of Death's Hold?__________________ 28th in refs on Motl! #1 Ref's for Arizona! I offer 3rd party trading services. Email if interested. Your 2008, 2010 & 2012 Siskel & Ebert award winner! Your Motl runner-up in My Cousin Vinny & Rolling Stone Award!
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thror Member
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posted May 05, 2013 11:21 AM
quote: Originally posted by revenger: Does Melira effectivly nullify Curse of Death's Hold?
not to be mean, but i think every question of yours i've answered is a result of you not reading the cards completely. Melira stops -1/-1 COUNTERS. curse doesnt give counters, it just makes them smaller. melira doesnt do anything. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."<@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted <@Anusien> Pretty sure New Zealanders are the sheep shaggers <KIP_NZ> Anusien: I'm a kiwi and I've shagged a sheep
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revenger Member
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posted May 05, 2013 02:04 PM
quote: Originally posted by thror:
Melira stops -1/-1 COUNTERS. curse doesnt give counters, it just makes them smaller. melira doesnt do anything.
This would have sufficed from you sir. Thanks! __________________ 28th in refs on Motl! #1 Ref's for Arizona! I offer 3rd party trading services. Email if interested. Your 2008, 2010 & 2012 Siskel & Ebert award winner! Your Motl runner-up in My Cousin Vinny & Rolling Stone Award!
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Kwas Member
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posted May 05, 2013 02:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by revenger: This would have sufficed from you sir. Thanks!
Quite sure it's because most of your questions aren't "RULE QUESTIONS" but more "I haven't cared to read the card. Could you please read it out aloud for me?"
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revenger Member
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posted May 05, 2013 03:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kwas: [QUOTE]Originally posted by revenger: This would have sufficed from you sir. Thanks!
Quite sure it's because most of your questions aren't "RULE QUESTIONS" but more "I haven't cared to read the card. Could you please read it out aloud for me?"[/QUOTE]on the contrary- read em all. Unfort, I over analyze and always try and work it out to my advantage. __________________ 28th in refs on Motl! #1 Ref's for Arizona! I offer 3rd party trading services. Email if interested. Your 2008, 2010 & 2012 Siskel & Ebert award winner! Your Motl runner-up in My Cousin Vinny & Rolling Stone Award!
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