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Originally posted by choco man:
I think the poster above me put it together better than I did.

What is point of "landfall" or "domain" if you still have to read the card? They are nothing like double strike or indestructible which is the same for every card.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
Landfall and domain are fun just because they take a typically tedious aspect of deckbuilding & gameplay (manabases) and turn it into something that's core to the match. As obnoxious as valakut was in standard, some of my favorite magic memories revolved around playing UB control against valakut, and the "Big Balls" interactions between the two decks. Any time you can create tension with a land drop, you have the potential for a great keyword.

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Except Landfall and Domain don't actually mean anything because it's not the same for every card. Any card with those words, would function exactly as they would without those words on the card....unlike actually useful keywords like Vigilance or double strike. If you want to contribute more about why every single new set needs new keywords (most of which never get used ever again), then you should mention something about that aspect.

What do your memories of UB control beating Valakut have anything to do with the overabundance of keywording in new sets? Depending on skill level and deck build, the matchup shouldn't have been as close as you remembered. But either way, Valakut is still Valakut even if "landfall" isn't a keyword. Which is the crux of what I have to say.

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Originally posted by choco man:
Except Landfall and Domain don't actually mean anything because it's not the same for every card. Any card with those words, would function exactly as they would without those words on the card....unlike actually useful keywords like Vigilance or double strike.

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Vigilance (attacking doesn't cause this creature to attack)
Double Strike (this creature deals both first strike and regular combat damage)

hey look, you don't need those words either! You STILL have to know what they mean, let's just print the rules right on the card anyway. the keyword doesn't DO anything without the rules behind it.

instead of being a whiny child, you could point out how landfall could have been printed:

Plated Geopede
First Strike
Landfall : +2/+2

Look how much text that saves! And you know exactly what it means. But they would still print the reminder text on it, so people wouldn't have to look up the rules/ ask judges at prerelease.

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Originally posted by thror:
instead of being a whiny child, you could point out how landfall could have been printed:

Plated Geopede
First Strike
Landfall : +2/+2

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They wouldn't do that because that would make landfall an activated ability .

Rules:
"207.2c An ability word appears in italics at the beginning of some abilities. Ability words are similar to keywords in that they tie together cards that have similar functionality, but they have no special rules meaning and no individual entries in the Comprehensive Rules. The ability words are battalion, bloodrush, channel, chroma, domain, fateful hour, grandeur, hellbent, imprint, join forces, kinship, landfall, metalcraft, morbid, radiance, sweep, and threshold."

Landfall, etc. are (essentially) reminder text according to the official rules. This discussion really comes down to, "do you want the reminder text at the front, the back, or not at all". Front or back don't really matter to me, but if you give the option of having no reminder text (making it a real ability) then you get potential to make more room on the card for other abilities.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
They wouldn't do that because that would make landfall an activated ability .

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no it wouldnt. landfall is a triggered ability. simplifying it to Landfall : +2/+2 doesn't magically make it an activated ability. Activated abilities have COSTS, and 'landfall' is NOT a cost. 112.3c Triggered abilities have a trigger condition and an effect. They are written as "[Trigger condition], [effect]," and include (and usually begin with) the word "when," "whenever," or "at."

i will concede i templated it wrong. it would be

Landfall, +2/+2 (Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, Steppe Lynx gets +2/+2 until end of turn.)

Persist is a 1 word triggered ability, and you know exactly what it does. landfall, EFFECT would be a 1 word triggered ability with a variable effect. tying up more of the rules in the keyword wouldn't change anything but make it shorter to write if they were to print a rare or mythic without reminder text.

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Originally posted by thror:
i will concede i templated it wrong. ...

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Originally posted by Pail42:
Back to more theros-y topics. They said a futuresight card was getting reprinted. Anybody care to speculate? Dryads are confirmed in the plane, so Dryad Arbor seems likely enough, but I notice there are also some enchantment based future-shifted cards and this block is supposed to be enchantment themed.

That's all I was pointing out (colon instead of comma) which is why I used a winking emoticon

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
Most likely it's the enchantment that turns into a creature card, as well as their "fixed" versions of that card, i.e. the "god" cards.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
Most likely it's the enchantment that turns into a creature card, as well as their "fixed" versions of that card, i.e. the "god" cards.

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Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
Lucent Liminid
"It is a herald of the sun goddess, projected from the hallowed glass whenever her light passes through."

Already has the flavor text. Eos being a sun goddess. Shards had Knight-Captain and Ranger, so now in Theros, Eos herself.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Do I need to sacrifice three monsters to summon the "god" cards?

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Lol

And the above mentioned card has been hinted many times by others in other threads. If he came to the observation himself well great but its all over the place that people feel Lucent Liminid is the future shifted card.

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Originally posted by jbark:
Lol

And the above mentioned card has been hinted many times by others in other threads. If he came to the observation himself well great but its all over the place that people feel Lucent Liminid is the future shifted card.

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The tweaked returning mechanic does something that people have been asking for.
There is a Future shifted card in Theros.
The set does something that's never done before except on another Future Sight card.

1 Mechanic of each God, Monster, Hero (2 of which are new keywords)
1 Retweaked
1 Repeat Mechanic

Looked at all futureshifted cards.
In line with the greek stuff, Fortify might seem like a good choice given the whole 3 cities theme.
Arcanum Wings or Lucent Liminid might be the Future Shifted card, due to the enchantment theme.
Could be a land cycle, but if any, I'd want Horizon Canopy cycle.
Imperial Mask would fit not only enchantment cycle but also the whole hero quest thing.
Could be Nix if the Hero Quest/Hydra cards can be countered (since no mana cost). Fits theme but seems clunky.
The only other keyword/ability would be Fateseal, and "Spin into Myth" would make sense theme wise.

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Originally posted by ryan2754:
The set does something that's never done before except on another Future Sight card.

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Contraptions.

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Originally posted by revenger:
Destructive Revelery makes me want to build a RG deck.

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In an enchantment block I expect it to be a very popular card.

Heroic mechanic looks cool:

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Anax and Cymede 1RW

Legendary Creature - Human Soldier

First Strike, vigilance
Heroic — Whenever you cast a spell that targets Anax and Cymede, creatures you control get +1/+1 and gain trample until end of turn.

Akros's greatest heroes are also its royalty.

Illus. Willian Murai
3/2

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