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Topic: The Post for Theros
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Volcanon
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posted August 22, 2013 06:48 PM
      
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Originally posted by Pail42:
I agree and Wizards admits it. The primary difference between enchantments and artifacts is flavor. I'm okay with Enchantment Artifacts existing as it really doesn't get in the way of anything, but I am a little worried.The first enchantment block, Urza's Saga, had a lot of horribly broken cards and the format wasn't fun. The first artifact block, Mirrodin, had a lot of horribly broken cards and the format wasn't fun. Are we now entering the block of horribly pushed enchantments - I hope not. Now I need to rant a little. Why the heck is it cheaper to destroy an enchantment than it is to destroy an artifact?
Urza's saga wasn't broken because of the enchantments. It was broken because of the artifacts. And Saga draft was actually pretty good except for the inclusion of cycling circles of protection at common. Mirrodin was a fun draft format. T2 never doesn't suck.
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mtglover
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posted August 22, 2013 07:45 PM
 
Maybe it is time invest in Serra Sanctum because of the heavy enchantments in the set. There should be at least a few really good ones, right? Or maybe they'll reprint the card.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by mtglover on August 22, 2013]
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mcelraca
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posted August 22, 2013 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
What? The set isn't close to spoiled. How about you keep our pants on before calling it a flop when you have t even seen the set. Sheesh!
I was being a little facetious, I'm just annoyed at the gimmicky feel of these cards. It very well may be a fun block, but that doesn't mean enchantment artifacts make any sense flavor wise, or through mechanics.
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revenger
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posted August 22, 2013 09:54 PM
Legendary Enchantment Artifact? huh? wotc, what are you smoking? y,all running out of new card to make?  __________________
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harbingerofthevoid
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posted August 23, 2013 03:31 PM
Odds of Theros making a decent artifact/enchantment for Enchantress that can be grabbed with Trinket Mage? 0.5%?
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thror
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posted August 23, 2013 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
Odds of Theros making a decent artifact/enchantment for Enchantress that can be grabbed with Trinket Mage? 0.5%?
if you have trinket mage in your enchantress deck, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG. seriously, the deck already has enlightened tutor AND sterling grove. play real tutors, don't play trinket mage. wtf? __________________
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Pail42
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posted August 23, 2013 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
Odds of Theros making a decent artifact/enchantment for Enchantress that can be grabbed with Trinket Mage? 0.5%?
Considering that flavor-wise they're god-created/god-infused artifacts they will likely all cost well more than 1. Gods don't tend to have small effects and large effects aren't cheap. Overly complicated speculation:
So maybe 1% that it will be CMC 1 or 0 and then 2% that if it costs 1 or 0 it will be good enough for the enchantress deck ... 0.02% overall 
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Pail42
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posted August 23, 2013 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
Odds of Theros making a decent artifact/enchantment for Enchantress that can be grabbed with Trinket Mage? 0.5%?
Considering that flavor-wise they're god-created/god-infused artifacts they will likely all cost well more than 1. Gods don't tend to have small effects and large effects aren't cheap. Overly complicated speculation:
So maybe 1% that it will be CMC 1 or 0 and then 2% that if it costs 1 or 0 it will be good enough for the enchantress deck ... 0.02% overall
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daner
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posted August 24, 2013 06:35 AM
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Originally posted by Volcanon:
And Saga draft was actually pretty good except for the inclusion of cycling circles of protection at common.
I'm assuming you forgot how broken Pestilence was in Saga draft...and it was a common. Yes, Saga drafts were a hell of a lot of fun but the cycling protections at common were the LEAST of my worries at common.
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GenghisTom
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posted August 24, 2013 08:59 AM
Enchantress doesn't need an artifact/enchantment to be tier one, it just needs an enchantment.
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gaeacradle
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posted August 25, 2013 09:28 PM
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/mm/262Scroll down to the bottom for some Theros teasers
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ASheppard1288
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posted August 25, 2013 10:50 PM
Spoilers w/pics
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WeedIan
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posted August 26, 2013 04:27 AM
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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/mm/262Scroll down to the bottom for some Theros teasers
A card that could have been in Modern Masters
- *Cough*Thoughtseize*cough*
A creature with a saboteur ability (it has an effect if the creature deals combat damage to an opponent) which is one of the Power Nine.
- So its either Recall, Timetwister or Timewalk so the creature will cost a zillion mana and be put in sneak and show
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AEther Storm
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posted August 26, 2013 04:48 AM
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Originally posted by WeedIan:
A card that could have been in Modern Masters
- *Cough*Thoughtseize*cough*
A creature with a saboteur ability (it has an effect if the creature deals combat damage to an opponent) which is one of the Power Nine.
- So its either Recall, Timetwister or Timewalk so the creature will cost a zillion mana and be put in sneak and show
Saboteur sounds like something with the Twister ability. I'm curious to see the spoiled cards.
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Vegas10
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posted August 26, 2013 05:36 AM
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Originally posted by WeedIan:
A card that could have been in Modern Masters
- *Cough*Thoughtseize*cough*
A creature with a saboteur ability (it has an effect if the creature deals combat damage to an opponent) which is one of the Power Nine.
- So its either Recall, Timetwister or Timewalk so the creature will cost a zillion mana and be put in sneak and show
If it is Thoughtseize, they made a poor choice for standard.
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WeedIan
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posted August 26, 2013 05:49 AM
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Originally posted by Vegas10:
If it is Thoughtseize, they made a poor choice for standard.
I don't think you can say that without seeing the entire set. I don't think Duress Type effects (even as powerful as thoughtsieze) are ever over powered.
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skizzikmonger
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posted August 26, 2013 06:11 AM
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Originally posted by Vegas10:
If it is Thoughtseize, they made a great choice for standard.
Fixed If not Thoughtseize, then what? The only other options I can think of are Remand and Damnation.
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gaeacradle
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posted August 26, 2013 06:13 AM
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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
FixedIf not Thoughtseize, then what? The only other options I can think of are Remand and Damnation.
Daybreak Coronet is also an option.
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Pail42
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posted August 26, 2013 06:30 AM
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Originally posted by WeedIan:
A creature with a saboteur ability (it has an effect if the creature deals combat damage to an opponent) which is one of the Power Nine.
- So its either Recall, Timetwister or Timewalk so the creature will cost a zillion mana and be put in sneak and show
Dragon Mage does Wheel of Fortune for seven mana. I could see them doing Timetwister for seven or eight. They may also give a downside with the effect is - like requiring you exile the creature - so they can bring the mana cost down. Then again it may just add one colored mana and Rosewater is being a giant tease.
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stab107
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posted August 26, 2013 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Daybreak Coronet is also an option.
I believe MaRo already confirmed that the FUT reprint is distinct from the potentially in MMA card. I actually think Damnation has a better shot flavor wise, though it really could be anything.
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jbark
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posted August 26, 2013 07:25 AM
I cant think now but was there a card that destroys multiple enchantments that could have been in MMA? I didn't play from shadowmore to RTR.
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Pail42
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posted August 26, 2013 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
If not Thoughtseize, then what? The only other options I can think of are Remand and Damnation.
There was a giants theme in MMA and there will probably be a few giants in this set too ... Any key giants they didn't print in MMA? PS, I'm hoping for Thoughtseize.
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Zeckk
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posted August 26, 2013 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by jbark:
I cant think now but was there a card that destroys multiple enchantments that could have been in MMA? I didn't play from shadowmore to RTR.
There are actually quite a few mass removal options for enchantments, paraselene from ISD block being the most recent. Tempest of light, fracturing gust, etc.
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daner
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posted August 26, 2013 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
If not Thoughtseize, then what? The only other options I can think of are Remand and Damnation.
Could be a LOT of things....there are multi-colored cards in this set. We are suppose to get some awesome new form of mana fixing @ non-basic. Perhaps it's Fulminator Mage? Top 5 guesses would be Thoughtsieze, Damnation, Remand, Daybreak Coronet and Fulminator Mage. Maybe Reflecting Pool as a honorable mention? EDIT: or WOTC just says "**** it" and jams the Zen Fetches into Theros so the price to enter Modern drops in preparation for the coming Modern Season next Summer.
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Pail42
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posted August 26, 2013 01:02 PM
Rounding out the list, all these cards are Modern legal and destroy all enchantments (and only enchantments). There's a decent chance one of these will get printed because they did put Creeping Corrosion in Mirrodin Besieged.2cc, Back to Nature - Strictly better than the not-modern-legal Tranquility
3cc, Cleanfall - Arcane
3cc, Paraselene - Gains life
4cc, Patrician's Scorn - Conditionally free, Futurshifted!
4cc, Primeval Light - *all of target player's enchantments
3cc, Tempest of Light - color-shifted instant speed Tranquility It's interesting to see the progression of how the cost has changed over time.
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