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Originally posted by hilikuS:
By my estimation, it would be Magic's version of the 1929 stock market crash.

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
but people who aren't lawyers/economists/finance professionals comment not knowing wtf they are talking about and they outnumber us. i'm just tired of arguing with them. i suggest we just all sell out and let them burn the place to the ground

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In all honesty, I'm just a jamoke who sells cards on TCG as a side job. No real credentials other than being involved with the game for a longass time.

I made the mistake of dabbling in reddit threads about this Craig Berry guy, and holy crap. I dunno what it is about that site, but it's just straight up nonsense. It's like MTG Salvation II or something.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
In all honesty, I'm just a jamoke who sells cards on TCG as a side job. No real credentials other than being involved with the game for a longass time.

I made the mistake of dabbling in reddit threads about this Craig Berry guy, and holy crap. I dunno what it is about that site, but it's just straight up nonsense. It's like MTG Salvation II or something.

I would consider selling out, but I can't seem to find anything worthwhile to put the money in.

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Originally posted by aethertech:
Reddit, to quote Star Wars, is the Scum of the Universe.

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So it's the new 4chan or whatever?

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
In all honesty, I'm just a jamoke who sells cards on TCG as a side job. No real credentials other than being involved with the game for a longass time.

I made the mistake of dabbling in reddit threads about this Craig Berry guy, and holy crap. I dunno what it is about that site, but it's just straight up nonsense. It's like MTG Salvation II or something.

I would consider selling out, but I can't seem to find anything worthwhile to put the money in.

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
over the past month that has been my only reason not to sell out. if i do then suddenly i expect my wife will want to spend the money on house stuff....

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Man I could probably buy a house. That's not a bad idea. There's like no commerce in Upstate New York, so there's no property value. Which means houses are hella cheap! Then I'd have to mow the lawn though... I'm conflicted lol.

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
It has been 9 years since the last time I sold out...but I have so many more cards and they are worth so much more now. Gah, it'll probably take me 2.5 years to sell out at the pace I have time for since I want fair value. Time to start a long journey.

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TCGplayer.com is great for selling if you're in it for the long haul.

EDIT: On second thought, I remember you have a ton of high value cards. There would be a ton of tax stuff you would probably have to deal with.
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Originally posted by chaos021:
TCGplayer.com is great for selling if you're in it for the long haul.

EDIT: On second thought, I remember you have a ton of high value cards. There would be a ton of tax stuff you would probably have to deal with.

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Ya, I was talking with someone earlier in my sequence of wanting to sell things will be:

1. My Alpha cards (around $5,000 worth - inc 2 pieces of power)
2. My Beta cards (about $20,000, including P9, tvault,mvault,ring,tutor,bolt,stp,cs,etc)
3. My 4 complete sets of revised $5,000ish
4. My 'extra' higher value stuff like extra goyfs and all my foils
5. Lesser extra stuff
6. Stuff like shops, bazaar, tab, grim, nether
7. My complete set of unlimited, plus what i have toward a playset of it...$15,000?a complete set, 4 of each dual, playsets of many of the non-restricted/banned cards like sinkhole/berser/bolt/cs/stp/etc
8. Then go into the main part of my collection that basically accounts for playsets of all modern/legacy playables not mentioned above
9. Then just piddle around moving other random neat stuff I have like fbb duals, some unplayed still in package duals, any sealed product i still have left, etc.

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
im so tired of entitled kids saying to get rid of the reserve list and print cards into oblivion despite people who've bought into the game in the past 5 years losing 10s of thousands of dollars that way i think i'm going to sell out once i decide what i'd actually do with the money afterwards. i think this reddit thread just gave me cancer

https://www.reddit.com/r/MTGLegacy/comments/4rk1fp/could_wizards_actually_ break_the_reserve_list_if/

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If you are never going to sell out then the value of the cards is meaningless. I think this is something people fail to understand (not saying you don't). WotC has repeatedly shown that they aren't going to suddenly tank the secondary market wholesale. I think the RL is bad for the overall health of the game, but I'm fine with it continuing to exist. It just means I will never play sanctioned legacy or vintage. I'm not upset about that.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
If you are never going to sell out then the value of the cards is meaningless. I think this is something people fail to understand (not saying you don't). WotC has repeatedly shown that they aren't going to suddenly tank the secondary market wholesale. I think the RL is bad for the overall health of the game, but I'm fine with it continuing to exist. It just means I will never play sanctioned legacy or vintage. I'm not upset about that.

I like the spirit in that picture you linked, but it isn't very accurate. The RL does allow printing of trivially different cards like snow duals, legendary duals, and duals that are also gates. Also, it seems very concerned with making worse versions when all that is required is a difference. We already have cards like Reverberate and Harmless Offering which are actually better in many situations than their RL counterparts.

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I think people underestimate how much higher value cards have b/c they are on the reserve list. THe imperial cards and others would be worth much more if on reserve list b/c people would have confidence to buy them at the high prices. i dont own a recruiter or seal b/c fear of reprint while at such a high price.

I used to think the RL allowed for legendary duals as well until someone pointed out the differences have to be more than just changing the super type otherwise they are functionally identical still.

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
Ya, I was talking with someone earlier in my sequence of wanting to sell things will be:

1. My Alpha cards (around $5,000 worth - inc 2 pieces of power)
2. My Beta cards (about $20,000, including P9, tvault,mvault,ring,tutor,bolt,stp,cs,etc)
3. My 4 complete sets of revised $5,000ish
4. My 'extra' higher value stuff like extra goyfs and all my foils
5. Lesser extra stuff
6. Stuff like shops, bazaar, tab, grim, nether
7. My complete set of unlimited, plus what i have toward a playset of it...$15,000?a complete set, 4 of each dual, playsets of many of the non-restricted/banned cards like sinkhole/berser/bolt/cs/stp/etc
8. Then go into the main part of my collection that basically accounts for playsets of all modern/legacy playables not mentioned above
9. Then just piddle around moving other random neat stuff I have like fbb duals, some unplayed still in package duals, any sealed product i still have left, etc.

That'll probably take 2-3 years since I'm in no rush and am busy.

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I have a very similar problem (work too much and have little energy to list on FeeBay). I try to find the right home for cards and take my time downsizing.

I do get tired of everyone saying get rid of the RL. The jealousy is just rampant for the have not's. I just say, if you want to play Legacy/Vintage MTGO is your playhouse. They got Mox's, Loti and other cards to make you happy in the virtual world.

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
It has been 9 years since the last time I sold out...but I have so many more cards and they are worth so much more now. Gah, it'll probably take me 2.5 years to sell out at the pace I have time for since I want fair value. Time to start a long journey.

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I agree with chaos021. Tax stuff aside, I am very much drinking the TCG Player kool aid. I switched from using MOTL to that a couple of years ago and it is amazing.

Your higher end stuff will require tracking, but you were going to do that anyway. I just passed 3500 transactions this week, so I got a decent amount of experience with it.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
I agree with chaos021. Tax stuff aside, I am very much drinking the TCG Player kool aid. I switched from using MOTL to that a couple of years ago and it is amazing.

Your higher end stuff will require tracking, but you were going to do that anyway. I just passed 3500 transactions this week, so I got a decent amount of experience with it.

You take an Ebay sized hit but stuff moves FAST.

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I must be listing the wrong stuff, because I haven't been able to sell a damn thing there. I started with low-medium value cards and was close to the lowest priced, but nothing so far.

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Originally posted by majicman:
I am definitely on a 2-3 year journey unless I want to take it all to CFB in Santa Clara and unload.

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That's painful to read. Don't do it!

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Originally posted by coasterdude84:
I must be listing the wrong stuff, because I haven't been able to sell a damn thing there. I started with low-medium value cards and was close to the lowest priced, but nothing so far.

As for the collection, I'm in a bit of a transition myself. I've decided to fill out my collection of older stuff from "back in the day", and dump almost everything from the Modern era. I play so little that, when I do play, all I want to do is relive the 90's. LD, I may be interested as we go along in some of your stuff.

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
I used to think the RL allowed for legendary duals as well until someone pointed out the differences have to be more than just changing the super type otherwise they are functionally identical still.

Yes, I understand that but many of us wouldn't have bought these cards if they didn't have resell value b/c we expect to have kid stuff to pay for eventually...

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Here's the actual text straight from the reprint policy.

"Reserved cards will never be printed again in a functionally identical form. A card is considered functionally identical to another card if it has the same card type, subtypes, abilities, mana cost, power, and toughness."

You are right. Legendary versions do match the definition of functionally identical according to the published policy. Legendary is a supertype and is not listed*. However, adding "gate" gives a dual a new subtype and does meet the definition of "not functionally identical".

* legend was a subtype for creatures at the time of the lists creation. This omission could just be a failure to update when rules changed.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
Here's the actual text straight from the reprint policy.

"Reserved cards will never be printed again in a functionally identical form. A card is considered functionally identical to another card if it has the same card type, subtypes, abilities, mana cost, power, and toughness."

You are right. Legendary versions do match the definition of functionally identical according to the published policy. Legendary is a supertype and is not listed*. However, adding "gate" gives a dual a new subtype and does meet the definition of "not functionally identical".

* legend was a subtype for creatures at the time of the lists creation. This omission could just be a failure to update when rules changed.

You're right about the resell value thing. I personally never buy cards that I plan on selling, but knowing that there is a fairly stable secondary market does give many people confidence to plunk down $50+ on a piece of cardboard.

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One thing that has amazed me this week is how many people consider every magic purchase a sunk cost and are ok with the idea of their cards suddenly becoming worthless. While Magic is a game, it's not like cards against humanity. I buy every CAH expansion that comes out and am not concerned with resell value b/c my entire CAH collection has cost me less than $200 and gives me thousands of cards that are great. I've spent over $50,000 on magic cards in the past 3 years to get into back into all formats. But let's say I only got the cheapest version of every cards and that cost me half that so $25,000. Even that is way too much money in my opinion to spend to play a game without thinking of it also as a financial decision. There is no way I'd divert that much money to these cards without the ability to resell them for reasonable amounts. I'm not talking flipping to make money on an investment, but I made those purchases based off a promise. If someone breaks a promise that financial decisions were based off I consider that a breach of trust that i would sue under http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/promissory_estoppel.asp?layout=infini&v=5D&orig=1&adtest=5D

The reserve list was a mistake and they should have gotten rid of it prior to 2011. But they didn't.

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One thing that has amazed me this week is how many people consider every magic purchase a sunk cost and are ok with the idea of their cards suddenly becoming worthless.

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I would guess most Magic players spend a few hundred dollars a year - or less. They treat Magic like you treat CAH. Having other people to play with (keeping the cost of the game low) is more important than the potential loss of collection value.

Just personally, the most expensive card I've ever bought cost me under $50*. I've been enjoying Magic since revised. I spend more on Magic than most of my friends.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
I would guess most Magic players spend a few hundred dollars a year - or less. They treat Magic like you treat CAH. Having other people to play with (keeping the cost of the game low) is more important than the potential loss of collection value.

Just personally, the most expensive card I've ever bought cost me under $50*. I've been enjoying Magic since revised. I spend more on Magic than most of my friends.

* It's also the most expensive card I own and has continued to rise despite multiple standard reprints since the time I bought it. It's not on the reserved list and has been printed 11 times in the core set. It virtually never sees tournament play. Beta rares are just highly collectible.

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Heh, i feel like that should have ended with "Whose that Pokemon?!?"

Lords of atlantis, birds of paradise, wrath of god?

No a single red or green card makes the cut in my commander decks from this set. Neither of the lands, or any artifact.

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Sad thing about EMN, I've never wanted few cards from a set. I've got two white, two blue, and two black (one is Emerge.)

No a single red or green card makes the cut in my commander decks from this set. Neither of the lands, or any artifact.

Sad set.

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I'm actually interested in a few more cards from EMN than other recent sets, but it's still a very small number. New sets don't inspire me to try to create new decks, and I don't care about Limited and Standard. I've got a few Modern decks that I'm starting to pick up Legacy pieces for, and I mainly look for new cards that might slot into Merfolk, Affinity, Infect, and Burn. There's been just about jack **** to interest me in a long time.

There's a few semi-casual decks I have, and new cards rarely even find a home into those.

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
Heh, i feel like that should have ended with "Whose that Pokemon?!?"

Lords of atlantis, birds of paradise, wrath of god?

Ya, if you're playing standard it's easier to have that perspective. however when you've made the financial decision to buy into legacy/vintage in the past 5 years you're perspective is generally different. you've saved up in order to play that format. you don't want the value of your cards to tank just b/c some people feel entitled to play the format cheaper, ya know? instead people should complain about the cost of modern staples.

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