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Heresy19
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Originally posted by chaos021:
Except not really.

Really?!?

I see her as CTMS, that's how good O think she's gonna be!

She literally costs "RR" :/

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Heresy19:
Really?!?

I see her as CTMS, that's how good O think she's gonna be!

She literally costs "RR" :/


Her abilities might be great for a tuned EDH deck or some sort. Maybe even pretty good in upcoming Standard. Outside of that, her abilities are all over the place and none of them are really substantial imo.

That final cost is only after you hit 4 lands so it's not like you're dropping this on turn 2 without help. Even if she only cost RR, none of her stuffs excites me. The first +1 might be a shock or that man-land you wish you had in play instead of exile. People seem to forget that you have to use the card as part of resolution for that ability too. It doesn't just hang out there for you to use for the rest of the turn. Her second +1 ramps you for ????. Then the -3 would make her a turn 2 Flame Slash. Wheee! Wait, no excitement for you there either? Just seems a like a bunch of stuff slapped together.

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posted September 08, 2016 08:43 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for iccarus Click Here to Email iccarus Send a private message to iccarus Click to send iccarus an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I'm not terribly impressed by the newest iteration of Chandra either. I'm sure she will see play, but the claims of the second coming of JTMS seem over-blown.

Interested to see what the red hulk ends up being. I'm guessing First Strike as the keyword ability. I'm hoping it's an FTK ability for the trigger.

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quote:
Originally posted by Heresy19:
Really?!?

I see her as CTMS, that's how good O think she's gonna be!

She literally costs "RR" :/


Really, she is good in standard, but out shined basically everywhere else.

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posted September 08, 2016 01:35 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for daner Click Here to Email daner Send a private message to daner Click to send daner an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Isn't Chandra, Pyromaster just a better 4 cmc Chandra? And it's barely played in modern anymore, and when in standard was hardly played at all. It's also a $2 pw.

Aside from a ramp effect added in the new Chandra seems exactly the same...and what exactly are you ramping into? Does that make up for the $58 difference?

 
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posted September 08, 2016 07:48 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for aethertech Click Here to Email aethertech Send a private message to aethertech Click to send aethertech an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I just picked up a foil Russian Agent of Erebos out of the LGS's $1.00 foil uncommon box.

It is a beautiful card.

 
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posted September 08, 2016 08:27 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for DJSmurfy Click Here to Email DJSmurfy Send a private message to DJSmurfy Click to send DJSmurfy an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Why is Anvil of Bogardan spiking? I haven't seen anything about it outside of the price having more than doubled over the past few weeks.
 
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I just posted the first deck help item since March 21 this year..

I'm not really surprised anymore that this doesn't shock me. Which is sad.

Oh well. Get over to the DH forum and help me

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So lore-wise, what ever happened to Ashiok?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
So lore-wise, what ever happened to Ashiok?

http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Ashiok
Apparently busy casting some super nightmare spell on Theros and Dack Fayden is trying to figure out what's going on.

Somebody at WotC confirmed during PAX that Ashiok is not one of the aerherborn from Kaladesh.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by DJSmurfy:
Why is Anvil of Bogardan spiking? I haven't seen anything about it outside of the price having more than doubled over the past few weeks.

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posted September 12, 2016 10:58 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/masterpiece-series-2016-09-12

All sets going forward are going to have expedition style cards. If this works like BFZ block should really push down prices for standard cards. This is a huge win for anybody who cares about magic being affordable.

 
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Special release sets such as Conspiracy, Eternal Masters, and Modern Masters won't or shouldn't have the expedition style like cards.
 
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posted September 12, 2016 01:25 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for DJSmurfy Click Here to Email DJSmurfy Send a private message to DJSmurfy Click to send DJSmurfy an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
This Masterpiece idea is pretty wild. Also, that Mana Crypt looks AWESOME. Anything that pushes down prices on singles is fine by me. I don't want my Arcbound Ravagers to be worth $40. I want my Arcbound Ravagers to be worth $5, and other comparable cards to also be $5.

**** I miss the days when I was shocked that Jesters Cap was $15.

 
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posted September 12, 2016 02:08 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for iccarus Click Here to Email iccarus Send a private message to iccarus Click to send iccarus an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Full list of masterpieces now up http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/masterpiece-series- kaladesh-inventions-2016-09-12

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quote:
Originally posted by iccarus:
Full list of masterpieces now up http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/masterpiece-series- kaladesh-inventions-2016-09-12


im not sure how they expect the next, ALL, of the following masterpieces to be well received when this series has so many crazy things in it.

Petal, Chrome, sculpting, sol, opal, mana vault + crypt, crucible, vial, AND 3 swords?! how do you even come close to that later on????

 
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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
im not sure how they expect the next, ALL, of the following masterpieces to be well received when this series has so many crazy things in it.

Petal, Chrome, sculpting, sol, opal, mana vault + crypt, crucible, vial, AND 3 swords?! how do you even come close to that later on????


The point is that they don't have to "come close" necessarily. This gives them an outlet to re-print stuff for a variety of formats without warping Standard outright. I did wonder if they were going to do something like this because bringing back treasures was a peculiar thing to do. I just never imagined it would be in every set from here on. I'm pretty sure it won't always be mind-blowing, but generally someone will want what they're putting in the series, which I believe means stores will have more incentive to crack open more product to sell if they don't just outright sell more sealed product. For instance, if they have a Masterpiece version of Voice of Resurgence or Goblin Guide, Modern players will rejoice. They just look at a constructed format and say, "let's add (fill-in-the-blank)!", and some group of players will be rejoicing. I mean they could literally just play whack-a-mole with whatever the most recent speculation target is if they want to go that route.


I'm interested to see where this goes money-wise for store fronts. Everyone seems to think this will drive prices down, but I'm not so sure of that. Unless the print runs are going to be longer or the rarity ends up lower than MaRo stated, I don't come to the same conclusion that most people are coming to about potential prices.

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quote:
The point is that they don't have to "come close" necessarily.

but they do. nobody wants their 1/144 super rare to be dark ritual do they? even this batch, opening a solemn sim/champions helm/minds eye/rings of brighthearth vs a mana crypt is a huge price swing. when/if ALL of them are solemn sim, they might as well not print it.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
but they do. nobody wants their 1/144 super rare to be dark ritual do they? even this batch, opening a solemn sim/champions helm/minds eye/rings of brighthearth vs a mana crypt is a huge price swing. when/if ALL of them are solemn sim, they might as well not print it.

Seriously? You'd make decisions on buying sealed product based on the Expeditions/Treasures/Massterpieces?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
Seriously? You'd make decisions on buying sealed product based on the Expeditions/Treasures/Massterpieces?

me, no. i dont buy sealed product. but i assure you some people do. Quote from MaRo article:

Fourth, we found that Zendikar Expeditions drove more players into the Battle for Zendikar block, which resulted in greater accessibility for all the non-Expeditions cards.

if people have 'the itch' to open a pack, some of them will 100% go for a value pack. if pack A has 2/20 valuable expeditions, and pack B has 10/20, they'll pick B.

heck, i remember when the LGS i played at got a new box of futuresight. people lined up with their store credit (even though he charged $5 credit/pack) just to play the 'tarmogoyf' game.



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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
... which I believe means stores will have more incentive to crack open more product to sell if they don't just outright sell more sealed product.
...
I'm interested to see where this goes money-wise for store fronts. Everyone seems to think this will drive prices down, but I'm not so sure of that. Unless the print runs are going to be longer or the rarity ends up lower than MaRo stated, I don't come to the same conclusion that most people are coming to about potential prices.

Standard sets are now printed to meet demand while they are legal (and possibly longer? - not sure when this started but at least RTR). Print run is entirely determined by demand. Stores don't have much incentive to hold onto product, because they can always order more until it goes out of print.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
if people have 'the itch' to open a pack, some of them will 100% go for a value pack. if pack A has 2/20 valuable expeditions, and pack B has 10/20, they'll pick B.

You already see this happening with BFZ and Gatewatch. The BFZ expeditions are more expensive on average and that's reflected in the average price per pack. Even then the price for a case of BFZ is only about $10-20 more.

 
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Originally posted by daner:
Isn't Chandra, Pyromaster just a better 4 cmc Chandra? And it's barely played in modern anymore, and when in standard was hardly played at all. It's also a $2 pw.

Aside from a ramp effect added in the new Chandra seems exactly the same...and what exactly are you ramping into? Does that make up for the $58 difference?


I think it is clearly better than Chandra, Pyromaster, and I think likely will see Standard play, maybe in modern a little play but thats a maybe def not a $60 card though and is nowhere near JTMS.

 
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Originally posted by DJSmurfy:
Why is Anvil of Bogardan spiking? I haven't seen anything about it outside of the price having more than doubled over the past few weeks.

Another irrational reserve list card being bought out.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
me, no. i dont buy sealed product. but i assure you some people do. Quote from MaRo article:

Fourth, we found that Zendikar Expeditions drove more players into the Battle for Zendikar block, which resulted in greater accessibility for all the non-Expeditions cards.

if people have 'the itch' to open a pack, some of them will 100% go for a value pack. if pack A has 2/20 valuable expeditions, and pack B has 10/20, they'll pick B.

heck, i remember when the LGS i played at got a new box of futuresight. people lined up with their store credit (even though he charged $5 credit/pack) just to play the 'tarmogoyf' game.


You got me there. I saw the same thing with Modern Masters packs, but I also meant buying boxes and cases when I mentioned sealed product. With that in mind, I just can't personally imagine making choices like that based on special, limited-run cards that are in the set. If the set itself is hot garbage, there's no way I'm buying sealed product unless you guarantee me at least one of several money mythics, and even then I'm not sure I wouldn't just buy the cards I want instead.


quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
Standard sets are now printed to meet demand while they are legal (and possibly longer? - not sure when this started but at least RTR). Print run is entirely determined by demand. Stores don't have much incentive to hold onto product, because they can always order more until it goes out of print.

That's cool. I didn't know that.

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