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Post Count Report
 
From: 001: 26-Apr 16:06 MeddlingMage - rules posted
  To: 225: 07-May 07:44 XplicitR - Redeclaring vote.
 
Living Players:
                     R0   R1   R2  TOT   P/R
AlmasterGM            1    7    2    9   4.5
Bernek77              2    5    3    8   4.0
BernieB               4    2    1    3   1.5
Bugger               12   18    5   23  11.5
fwybwed               2    2    3    5   2.5
GottaLoveElves        6    4    0    4   2.0
JackSpade             3    4    2    6   3.0
Liq                   1    4    2    6   3.0
MasterWolf            3    5    3    8   4.0
PlasteredDragon      16   24    8   32  16.0
puregoblinboy47       1    7    2    9   4.5
Thanos                2    7    1    8   4.0
ThoughtsofLepers      1    4    1    5   2.5
XplicitR              4    9    3   12   6.0
 
Dead Players:
                     R0   R1   R2  TOT   P/R
Battle_of_Twits       2    3         3   3.0
Jazaray               3    2         2   2.0
ryan2754              4              0   0.0

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Remember, the R0 posts (pregame) aren't included in the total.

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Originally posted by Liq:

Another thing that has me concerned is Bugger's switch vote once he "knew" that Thanos had 8 votes. His vote didn't go to BoT (aka Alpha Wolf) but to JackSpade, the very person who agreed with him. Yet at the moment my gut is telling me not to vote him.

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I "knew" it because Chuck had posted the votes declared thus far.

Also, PD: I never defended BoT, I asked what was so suspicious in his 1 post that convinced 5+ people to vote for him. I didn't try to stop anyone from voting for him, I just asked what exactly was in the post that convinced them to vote that way.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
I "knew" it because Chuck had posted the votes declared thus far.

Also, PD: I never defended BoT, I asked what was so suspicious in his 1 post that convinced 5+ people to vote for him. I didn't try to stop anyone from voting for him, I just asked what exactly was in the post that convinced them to vote that way.

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Regarding the Thanos pile--poetry will get you in trouble. Thanos never had 8 votes, I din't say "eight", I said "nearly eight", meaning seven. Just in case anybody thought it got up to 8. I needed a rhyme there and 7 didn't work. As I recall the killer TOL pile from WW9 was also 7.

{SUMMARY: clarifies use of the word "defended", Thanos pile}

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Originally posted by Bugger:
I don't get why a wagon's forming on B_o_T. The guy's made one post. I haven't seen much of his play style, but what about advocating quietness in R0 is so amazingly suspicious? Can someone explain this to me, because I'm really not seeing anything.
WRT Liq's suspicions: I assume you are suspecting PGB because he launched off for Thanos. If you'd check the after game discussion of (I think it was) WW8, PGB declared from then on he'd be voting for a quiet/unhelpful cit each R1. I did as well. And both of us have been sticking to that. Furthermore, in all the games I've seen PGB play, he guns every single round for cit unity. His behavior this game is not OOC in the slightest.
I just asked what exactly was in the post that convinced them to vote that way.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Holy crap. Thanos is at eight? I'm switching, but not to BoT, who seems to be the most popular counter wagon. I'm honestly seeing *nothing* wildly OOC for BoT

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Two things: I'm not surprised my lack of suspicion with BoT is swinging around to bite me in the butt now- I'd expect nothing less if it was someone else in my position either. No big deal.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
All Hail The Word of Bernek!Kowtow to His Almighty Decrees of Suspicion!
For if He declares One Suspicious, That is Fact, and if He declares One's behaviour to be Not Suspicious, lo They are Not Suspect, and that is Fact also.
All Hail the Word of Bernek!

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Originally posted by ryan2754:
This is one of the stupidest things that I could think of to say before the N0 kill: Why make suspicions of people already?

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Then he was lynched.

Jazaray then began to scold him for revealing information that was not suppose to be revealed an was eating during the night phase.

I can't see anyone trying to set up Xplicitr, even though bugger and him are going back an forth. I feel the mistake made by bugger could be a sign of him being a villager. IMO though I feel as though Xplicitr is being defensive and after the 2 points above this is where I am going to be voting.

Voting Xplicitr

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
I know there may not be anything here or I could be over reading into it. However, there are 2 points that tick out to me in regards to Xplicitr. He made a pregame post and ryan said:

Then he was lynched.

Jazaray then began to scold him for revealing information that was not suppose to be revealed an was eating during the night phase.

I can't see anyone trying to set up Xplicitr, even though bugger and him are going back an forth. I feel the mistake made by bugger could be a sign of him being a villager. IMO though I feel as though Xplicitr is being defensive and after the 2 points above this is where I am going to be voting.

Voting Xplicitr

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I don't think that even I am that stupid to go off killing people who scold me...this is the same tactic used in the previous WW when Wooly was eaten (due to our history in a previous game) and when I was lynched a few rounds later it was revealed that I was a cit....but suit yourself.

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
I don't think that even I am that stupid to go off killing people who scold me.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
I can't see anyone trying to set up Xplicitr, even though bugger and him are going back an forth. I feel the mistake made by bugger could be a sign of him being a villager. IMO though I feel as though Xplicitr is being defensive and after the 2 points above this is where I am going to be voting.

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It's far easier to set up XPR than it is to set up a seasoned player everyone loves. Given some of the plays he's made this game, it's at least plausible that he would make obvious kills. So yeah XPR is an excellent choice for a setup.

That doesn't exonerate him of course, as AGM notes it could be an attempt to manipulate the crowd with reverse psychology. I think it bears watching, but I think there are more suspicious characters right now.

{SUMMARY: Explains why WW would set up XPR.}

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
I know there may not be anything here or I could be over reading into it. However, there are 2 points that tick out to me in regards to Xplicitr. He made a pregame post and ryan said:

Originally posted by ryan2754:
This is one of the stupidest things that I could think of to say before the N0 kill: Why make suspicions of people already?

Then he was lynched.

Jazaray then began to scold him for revealing information that was not suppose to be revealed an was eating during the night phase.

I can't see anyone trying to set up Xplicitr, even though bugger and him are going back an forth. I feel the mistake made by bugger could be a sign of him being a villager. IMO though I feel as though Xplicitr is being defensive and after the 2 points above this is where I am going to be voting.

Voting Xplicitr

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I agree with Xpr... If this is the case which you arrive at your suspicion then it has a slight flaw. The WW leader makes the final decision on who to shred though with discussion with his/her team. And from what I recall we bagged that one already. Would Xpr go as far as to PM his brethern leader to say shred those 2 they made me mad...I dont think so... What gets me is that you say there may be NOTHING here or you may be OVER READING into it...but you decide to vote for him on this lil bitty tid bit you found, that you yourself are unsure of...hmmmm

but then to defend bugger on a feeling and say he made a mistake, the same bugger who made an attempt on the same play last game!? The MVP Bugger...This has me thinking...

as PD states there are others who have more shadows upon them then Xpr, I would say.

Changing my vote to: Bugger

Suspect B77 and PGB

Fwy

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bernek77:
I can't see anyone trying to set up Xplicitr, even though bugger and him are going back an forth. I feel the mistake made by bugger could be a sign of him being a villager. IMO though I feel as though Xplicitr is being defensive and after the 2 points above this is where I am going to be voting.

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With what has transpired up to this point there hasn't been any one too suspicious in my eyes. This fued between Bugger and Xplicitr has really gotten to me. I feel as though one is playing off of the other. Or, maybe the two of them are playing off of one another. If one is a wolf they could be trying to stage that the other is innocent.

IDK I could jut be reading into something that may be wrong. It's just that the coincidences between two people saying what Xplicitr said was wrong and they ended up dead.

Edit: Fwybwed, wasn't BoT alive for the kill on Ryan? So is it not possible that the wolves strategy this game could of been when ever anyone comes after us we kill them. You are very aware that if previous games that if a player gets eaten after accusing someone it was taken that they were being set up. Well perhaps knowing that the wolves are taking a different more direct approach. Playing against the grain.

Like I said I could be wrong it is just a bit odd. I never dismissed bugger as a potential. Like I said I have a feeling that one is playing off the other. Which one is the wolf?
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Also i think you guys are being a bit dismissive of Bugger, i didn't start accusing him out of retribution I actually went back and thought his posts were highly suspicious. The way it sounded like he was playacting when he started accusing me and it just sounded weird that he jumped on me for repeating his own advice back at everyone.

If i do end up getting lynched and its shown that im a cit, I just ask that you guys take a really close look at Bugger because i think there's something there. And just to think on it a bit further if he does turn out to be a wolf, you might want to start looking at Almaster, the way he conveniently set up that attack on me for Bugger to confirm seemed suspicious to me.

Anyway probably last post of the day for me, schoolwork and all.

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Originally posted by fwybwed:
My thoughts,

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They say that communication is 70% tone and body language and only 30% actual words. THat being said, it's exceedingly easy for intentions and tone to get lost in translation in pure text-based communication mediums like the internet. That being said, Fwy, I want to say right away that none of what I will say in response to you is being written in a confrontational or angry manner- and I apologize in advance if any passages inadvertantly strike you that way; such is not my goal. Anyhoo:

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Backing up BoT and PGB in one post…. It’s not your style to be protective of any one during the first round. Though you were just asking, its who you were in reference to that raises my suspicion of you because its OOC for you

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Well... while you can say that such behaviour is OOC for me and be technically correct, the statement is misleading. What I did With Regards To discussing PGB (I'll get to the other half of your statement afterwards) is not out of character for me at all- last game I did the same. PGB plays an exceedingly aggressive game, and he's extraordinarily skilled at fishing for responses; much more so than Liq. Liq is absurdly blunt about it, he just says "Voting X". But PGB is very good at provoking responses. These two factors of his play inevitably lead someone to interpret these things as huge signs of wolfhood, and it continually surprises me that people who have played with him longer than even I have forget that about him. I defended his somewhat unusual posts R5 last game by pointing out that he always behaves in that manner when it comes down to the wire for the cits. Liq's suspicion of PGB over PGB's gunning for Thanos took me by surprise as I had assumed he of all people would remember that PGB spends most of the first few rounds breathing down the necks of cits he percieves to be unhelpful or outright bad players.

As far as the BoT stuff goes: I'll say this once more: I did NOT defend him. This isn't really an issue of semantics, I'm not splitting hairs- there is a sizeable difference between holding no suspicion for someone and defending them. You can see examples of both in the statement of mine you quoted- I state my neutral stance on BoT (along with a little curiosity as to what I missed in his post), and I defended PGB. And as I'm sure you can tell there's a substantial difference between the two actions.

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Ok thanks, so no hard feelings

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Nope, none at all.

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I thought that you were getting a lil’ riled up in regards to B77’s post on you in regards to switching your vote or staying away from the Thanos pile. When in fact I did the same to you last game in when you tried but FORGOT to switch your vote, this reply to B77 is OOC for you as this is not how you responded to my questioning you in regards to your failed switch last game.

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Mmm... I see the conclusion you're trying to draw, but unfortunately it's not an accurate comparison. What ****ed me off about Bernek's post this game is how he pooh-poohs my suspicions as inaccurate or inferior- which is ludicrously stupid because suspicions are opinions, and it's impossible to have a *wrong* opinion on anything. It may be an opinion you disagree with, but it is not a *wrong* opinion. Bernek has such strong convictions that he equates his opinion with fact; and when someone disagrees it confuses him as to why, when they are so clearly wrong.
And that's what I was mocking, not his finding suspicion in my vote switch.

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Originally posted by fwybwed:

but then to defend bugger on a feeling and say he made a mistake, the same bugger who made an attempt on the same play last game!? The MVP Bugger...This has me thinking...

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Errr... I was a cit last game, remember?

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Originally posted by JackSpade:
Well couple o things:
I realize you are all suspicious of "playacting" by newbies all i can say is I tried to take Bugger's advice on keeping a poker face going, I was not trying to playact I was just trying to participate by being chatty. I figure being quiet just makes the game boring. And how many times has a newbie playacted and not had a role?

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Unless they're pulling a hilikuS and trying to trick the wolves into thinking they're the seer, nobody ever playacts if they don't have a role- noob or not.

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Also i think you guys are being a bit dismissive of Bugger,

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Yes, that's why I have no votes on me and no one's announced suspicions of me.

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i didn't start accusing him out of retribution I actually went back and thought his posts were highly suspicious. The way it sounded like he was playacting when he started accusing me and it just sounded weird that he jumped on me for repeating his own advice back at everyone.

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Please stop putting words in my mouth. I stated that some of us (PGB and myself the most notable subscribers to this) prefer to lynch a quiet/unhelpful player R1 as there is usually little to no information upon which to lynch someone, and it is almost always a crapshoot lynch anyhow. Only R1.

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If i do end up getting lynched and its shown that im a cit, I just ask that you guys take a really close look at Bugger because i think there's something there.

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Why, I'd be insulted if they didn't.

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And just to think on it a bit further if he does turn out to be a wolf, you might want to start looking at Almaster, the way he conveniently set up that attack on me for Bugger to confirm seemed suspicious to me.

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Not to be overly dismissive, but that's kind of a paranoid move to make.

Where I've been a couple days in between posts, there really isn't anything I'd have to say about Jack that hasn't been elaborated upon already. The "newbie playacting" argument really resonates with me and is an argument I could see myself having made if that had passed by everyone else. That said, my suspicion of Jack is no more than mildly higher than averahe; I'm hesitant to vote the new guy because the playacting argument has just as many innocent victims as it does wolves. Not to outright dismiss it, it's more than I see on a lot of people (and more than I've really offered), but I don't think I'll be casting a vote there.

I have some minor suspicions going of PGB & Masterwolf as well that aren't worth elaborating on just yet. In the vein of low flow of information this round, I think I'm going to try not announcing a vote.
And, I'm aware that this is short for not having posted for two days, but I keep going to type a post and stopping and saying "that's stupid". This game thus far really hasn't been conducive to me having alot to say.

Tally since Jazaray (cit) eaten - round 2 begins.

ROUND 2 VOTES:

JackSpade - 5 votes from Bugger [1], Liq [2], PlasteredDragon [3], Thanos [4], XplicitR [5] - 1: exaggerated play, inconsistency, 2: #098 and #125, 3: contrived language, WW=1;08, 4: not stated, 5: his suspicious posts
Bugger - 2 votes from fwybwed [1], JackSpade [2] - 1: more suspicious than XPR, 2: lycanthropic behavior
puregoblinboy47 - 1 votes from AlmasterGM [1] - 1: not stated
XplicitR - 1 votes from Bernek77 [1] - 1: wolves kill people who fight with him

No votes declared from: BernieB, GottaLoveElves, MasterWolf, puregoblinboy47, ThoughtsofLepers

SUMMARY:

AlmasterGM - Voting for: puregoblinboy47 (not stated). Suspects: JackSpade.
Bernek77 - Voting for: XplicitR (wolves kill people who fight with him).
BernieB - Suspects: JackSpade, puregoblinboy47.
Bugger - Voting for: JackSpade (exaggerated play, inconsistency).
fwybwed - Voting for: Bugger (more suspicious than XPR). Suspects: Bernek77, puregoblinboy47, XplicitR.
GottaLoveElves - Suspects: JackSpade, MasterWolf, puregoblinboy47, Thanos.
JackSpade - Voting for: Bugger (lycanthropic behavior). Suspects: AlmasterGM.
Liq - Voting for: JackSpade (P#98 and P#125). Suspects: Bernek77, BernieB, Bugger, fwybwed, GottaLoveElves, PlasteredDragon, puregoblinboy47, Thanos, XplicitR.
MasterWolf - Suspects: AlmasterGM, Bernek77, Bugger, GottaLoveElves, Liq, puregoblinboy47, ThoughtsofLepers.
PlasteredDragon - Voting for: JackSpade (contrived language, WW=1;08). Suspects: Bugger, GottaLoveElves, puregoblinboy47, XplicitR.
puregoblinboy47 - no votes or suspicions announced.
Thanos - Voting for: JackSpade (not stated). Suspects: GottaLoveElves.
ThoughtsofLepers - no votes or suspicions announced.
XplicitR - Voting for: JackSpade (his suspicious posts).

SUSPECTED:

JackSpade - suspected by 8 players - AlmasterGM, BernieB, Bugger, GottaLoveElves, Liq, PlasteredDragon, Thanos, XplicitR
puregoblinboy47 - suspected by 7 players - AlmasterGM, BernieB, fwybwed, GottaLoveElves, Liq, MasterWolf, PlasteredDragon
Bugger - suspected by 5 players - fwybwed, JackSpade, Liq, MasterWolf, PlasteredDragon
GottaLoveElves - suspected by 4 players - Liq, MasterWolf, PlasteredDragon, Thanos
XplicitR - suspected by 4 players - Bernek77, fwybwed, Liq, PlasteredDragon
Bernek77 - suspected by 3 players - fwybwed, Liq, MasterWolf
AlmasterGM - suspected by 2 players - JackSpade, MasterWolf
Thanos - suspected by 2 players - GottaLoveElves, Liq
BernieB - suspected by 1 player - Liq
fwybwed - suspected by 1 player - Liq
Liq - suspected by 1 player - MasterWolf
MasterWolf - suspected by 1 player - GottaLoveElves
PlasteredDragon - suspected by 1 player - Liq
ThoughtsofLepers - suspected by 1 player - MasterWolf

POSTS:

51 posts since Jazaray (cit) eaten - round 2 begins:

PlasteredDragon: 11 posts
Bugger: 7 posts
Bernek77: 5 posts
fwybwed: 5 posts
MasterWolf: 4 posts
XplicitR: 4 posts
AlmasterGM: 3 posts
JackSpade: 3 posts
Liq: 2 posts
puregoblinboy47: 2 posts
Thanos: 2 posts
BernieB: 1 post
GottaLoveElves: 1 post
ThoughtsofLepers: 1 post

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Originally posted by fwybwed:

but then to defend bugger on a feeling and say he made a mistake, the same bugger who made an attempt on the same play last game!? The MVP Bugger...This has me thinking...

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Bugger
Errrr... I was a cit last game, remember?

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Yes I know you were...lol this was in reference to B77 saying your play of switching votes was a mistake. And I say it's not, because it was a play that you had made before villager or not.

What I am getting at is why is he saying this all of a sudden...

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Originally posted by fwybwed:
Yes I know you were...lol this was in reference to B77 saying your play of switching votes was a mistake. And I say it's not, because it was a play that you had made before villager or not.

What I am getting at is why is he saying this all of a sudden...

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Aaaah, that makes much more sense. I was scratching my head on that one...

EDIT: Also, I'm flattered that you refer to me as "MVP". What are you trying to pull there, huh?

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Currently Voting :
 
• JackSpade

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Suspicion List :
 
• High :

  60% : JackSpade
  55% : Bugger
  55% : PlasteredDragon
  55% : GottaLoveElves
   

• Mid :

  54% : fwybwed
  54% : Masterwolf
  54% : XplicitR
  53% : Thanos
  53% : Bernek77
   

• Low :

  52% : puregoblinboy47
  52% : AlmasterGM
  52% : BernieB
  46% : ThoughtsofLepers

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Will those be coming tonight MM?

{SUMMARY: voting results coming tonight?}

JackSpade, another villager has been wrongfully lynched.

Special roles,you know what to do.Please do it asap.

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Players ~ Their vote
Bugger ~ JackSpade (1)
PlasteredDragon ~ JackSpade (2)
fwybwed ~ Bugger (1)
GLE ~ Thanos (1)
Masterwolf ~ NONE
BernieB ~ PBG (1)
AlmasterGM ~ PBG (2)
XplicitR ~ JackSpade (3)
JackSpade ~ Bugger(2)
PGB ~ JackSpade (4)
Liq ~ JackSpade (5)
ThoughtsofLepers ~ XplicitR (1)
Bernek77 ~ XplicitR (2)
Thanos ~ JackSpade (6)

JackSpade, another villager has been wrongfully lynched.

Special roles,you know what to do.Please do it asap.

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Hrrrrr... This is unfortunate. Oh well, it's only R2...
Analysis on the morrow.