The "fwyb's journal" thing he posted really gives me the vibe of seeing PD take some creative license with the game and wanting to do the same. I dumped a little on fwyb back in WW5 when we played together, but it wasn't that he had no idea how to play as a wolf--just inexperience I suppose, not seeing the benefit of certain ideas. He was plenty calculated, and not really that cocky. Someone like him I wouldn't profile to go creative as a wolf, especially in someone else's footsteps. Unless, of course, PD is a wolf and fwyb is his protege, but that's a huge longshot R1.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
My vote is for Almaster. I don't like the stunt he pulled in the last game we played together. WW8, I think.

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
Bugger, nice cover for your bogus way to get out of the pile analysis.

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Seriously dude? Step away from the keyboard for a few hours and calm down. Back the hell off.

@AGM: It's the first round. These things are always a crapshoot (well, almost always. *cough* WW4).

Players ~ Their vote
Bugger ~ JackSpade (1)
PlasteredDragon ~ Battle_of_Twits (1)
fwybwed ~ AlmasterGM (1)
GLE ~ Thanos (1)
Masterwolf ~ AlmasterGM (2)
Jazaray ~ Battle_of_Twits (2)
BernieB ~ PBG (1)
AlmasterGM ~ Thanos (2)
XplicitR ~ Thanos (3)
JackSpade ~ Battle_of_Twits(3)
PGB ~ Thanos (4)
Liq ~ PD (1)
ThoughtsofLepers ~ Battle_of_Twits (4)
Bernek77 ~ Battle_of_Twits (5)
Thanos ~ Battle_of_Twits (6)
B_o_T ~ Thanos (4)

B_o_T was the mafia leader. Good job villagers!

On a side note, it has been brought to my attention that there was a pm between players again. While I can't be everywhere at all times, it leave it up to the players for most of the time to be on the honor system.
I am extremely surprised by one of the names involved. You know who you are.

This may be re-visited after the game.

~MM

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Sorry for the delay...
2 players submitted late, and I accepted them b/c of my lateness.

Players ~ Their vote
Bugger ~ JackSpade (1)
PlasteredDragon ~ Battle_of_Twits (1)
fwybwed ~ AlmasterGM (1)
GLE ~ Thanos (1)
Masterwolf ~ AlmasterGM (2)
Jazaray ~ Battle_of_Twits (2)
BernieB ~ PBG (1)
AlmasterGM ~ Thanos (2)
XplicitR ~ Thanos (3)
JackSpade ~ Battle_of_Twits(3)
PGB ~ Thanos (4)
Liq ~ PD (1)
ThoughtsofLepers ~ Battle_of_Twits (4)
Bernek77 ~ Battle_of_Twits (5)
Thanos ~ Battle_of_Twits (6)
B_o_T ~ Thanos (4)

B_o_T was the mafia leader. Good job villagers!

On a side note, it has been brought to my attention that there was a pm between players again. While I can't be everywhere at all times, it leave it up to the players for most of the time to be on the honor system.
I am extremely surprised by one of the names involved. You know who you are.

This may be re-visited after the game.

~MM

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1) Holy ****, I take back what I said AGM. Apparently the first round is NOT always a crapshoot.
2) Pming between players?
Not cool guys...
3) We all probably know this by now, but I'll say it JIC: I think it is highly, highly likely that at least 1 of the BoT voters is a werewolf. Hooray, for once the seer is not lynched R1

I kinda like this verse thing...

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Originally posted by Bugger:
1) Holy ****, I take back what I said AGM. Apparently the first round is NOT always a crapshoot.

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Posts by Battle_of_Twits:
048. Apr-28 02:30 PM: signed up - (ref: nobody)
072. May-01 08:19 AM: quiet down - (ref: nobody)
101. May-03 08:36 AM: Suspects Liq and TOL, but will probably vote Tnos to save self. - (ref: Liq, Tnos, TOL)
144. May-04 01:37 PM: Jokes about PD in rhyme. - (ref: PD)

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Cross references for: Battle_of_Twits
 
From: May-01 15:09 Ryan (cit) eaten - round 1 begins
  To: May-04 22:00 present
 
                  Refs to          Refs by          
PLAYER            Battle_of_Twits  Battle_of_Twits  
================  ===============  ===============  
AlmasterGM                     1               0
Bernek77                       2               0
BernieB                        0               0
Bugger                         3               0
fwybwed                        0               0
GottaLoveElves                 0               0
JackSpade                      2               0
Jazaray                        1               0
Liq                            4               1
MasterWolf                     0               0
PlasteredDragon                8               1
puregoblinboy47                0               0
ryan2754                       0               0
Thanos                         2               1
ThoughtsofLepers               2               1
XplicitR                       0               0

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Post Count Report
 
From: 001: 26-Apr 16:06 MeddlingMage - rules posted
  To: 155: 04-May 16:54 Bugger - Holy ****! PM'ing not cool!  T...
 
Living Players:
                     R0   R1  TOT   P/R
AlmasterGM            1    5    5   5.0
Bernek77              2    2    2   2.0
BernieB               4    1    1   1.0
Bugger               12   13   13  13.0
fwybwed               2    1    1   1.0
GottaLoveElves        6    3    3   3.0
JackSpade             3    3    3   3.0
Jazaray               3    1    1   1.0
Liq                   1    4    4   4.0
MasterWolf            3    3    3   3.0
PlasteredDragon      16   18   18  18.0
puregoblinboy47       1    3    3   3.0
Thanos                2    7    7   7.0
ThoughtsofLepers      1    4    4   4.0
XplicitR              4    6    6   6.0
 
Dead Players:
                     R0   R1  TOT   P/R
Battle_of_Twits       2    2    2   2.0
ryan2754              4         0   0.0

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Voting/Suspicion History
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From: Ryan (cit) eaten - round 1 begins
To:   present
 
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20090501 15:09  RYN  001 EATEN     (C)
20090501 21:50  LIQ  001 VOTES     Battle_of_Twits - 53%
20090501 21:50  LIQ  002 SUSPECTS  GottaLoveElves - 52%
20090501 21:50  LIQ  003 SUSPECTS  PlasteredDragon - 53%
20090501 22:51  PGB  001 VOTES     Thanos - worst citizen
20090502 05:33  BUG  001 VOTES     Thanos - agrees with PGB #081
20090502 07:38  JAZ  001 VOTES     Battle_of_Twits - TJ's pick
20090502 08:44  BB   001 VOTES     puregoblinboy47 - attempt to disrupt game
20090502 09:20  GLE  001 VOTES     Thanos - agrees with PGB #081
20090502 09:49  AGM  001 VOTES     Thanos - agrees with PGB #081
20090502 09:55  TOL  001 VOTES     Battle_of_Twits - #072
20090502 10:32  B77  001 SUSPECTS  Battle_of_Twits - #072
20090502 10:51  THA  001 VOTES     Battle_of_Twits - not stated
20090502 13:18  LIQ  001 SUSPECTS  Bernek77 - 53 percent
20090502 13:18  LIQ  002 SUSPECTS  Bugger - 53 percent
20090502 13:18  LIQ  003 SUSPECTS  GottaLoveElves - 53 percent
20090502 13:18  LIQ  004 VOTES     puregoblinboy47 - 53 percent
20090502 18:17  PD   001 SUSPECTS  Battle_of_Twits - contrived in #072
20090502 18:17  PD   002 SUSPECTS  JackSpade - playacting in #065
20090502 18:17  PD   003 SUSPECTS  puregoblinboy47 - harsh in #081
20090502 20:01  JSP  001 VOTES     Thanos - not stated
20090502 20:01  JSP  002 SUSPECTS  ThoughtsofLepers - for suspecting BOT
20090502 23:36  XPR  001 VOTES     Thanos - not stated
20090503 08:36  BOT  001 SUSPECTS  Liq - not stated
20090503 08:36  BOT  002 VOTES     Thanos - to save self
20090503 08:36  BOT  003 SUSPECTS  ThoughtsofLepers - not stated
20090503 09:11  PD   001 VOTES     Battle_of_Twits - #072
20090503 09:41  BUG  001 VOTES     JackSpade - posts seem "off"
20090503 13:10  LIQ  001 SUSPECTS  AlmasterGM - 52 percent
20090503 13:10  LIQ  002 SUSPECTS  Battle_of_Twits - 54 percent
20090503 13:10  LIQ  003 SUSPECTS  Bernek77 - 53 percent
20090503 13:10  LIQ  004 SUSPECTS  Bugger - 56 percent
20090503 13:10  LIQ  005 SUSPECTS  GottaLoveElves - 53 percent
20090503 13:10  LIQ  006 VOTES     PlasteredDragon - can't tell if he's serious
20090503 13:10  LIQ  007 SUSPECTS  puregoblinboy47 - 54 percent
20090503 13:13  JSP  001 VOTES     Thanos - not a team player
20090503 15:26  THA  001 VOTES     Battle_of_Twits - not stated
20090503 16:18  JSP  001 VOTES     Battle_of_Twits - protesting tiny wagon
20090504 02:16  FWY  001 VOTES     AlmasterGM - too eager to lynch Thanos
20090504 06:46  MW   001 VOTES     AlmasterGM - WW8 play
20090504 08:04  LIQ  001 SUSPECTS  AlmasterGM - 52 percent
20090504 08:04  LIQ  002 SUSPECTS  Battle_of_Twits - 54 percent
20090504 08:04  LIQ  003 SUSPECTS  Bernek77 - 53 percent
20090504 08:04  LIQ  004 SUSPECTS  Bugger - 57 percent
20090504 08:04  LIQ  005 SUSPECTS  GottaLoveElves - 53 percent
20090504 08:04  LIQ  006 VOTES     PlasteredDragon - can't tell if he's serious
20090504 08:04  LIQ  007 SUSPECTS  puregoblinboy47 - 55 percent
20090504 11:13  B77  001 VOTES     Battle_of_Twits - #072
20090504 13:13  AGM  001 FROMGROUP (?) TO (4)
20090504 13:13  B77  001 FROMGROUP (?) TO (2)
20090504 13:13  BB   001 FROMGROUP (?) TO (3)
20090504 13:13  BOT  001 FROMGROUP (?) TO (4)
20090504 13:13  BUG  001 FROMGROUP (?) TO (3)
20090504 13:13  FWY  001 FROMGROUP (?) TO (1)
20090504 13:13  GLE  001 FROMGROUP (?) TO (4)
20090504 13:13  JAZ  001 FROMGROUP (?) TO (2)
20090504 13:13  JSP  001 FROMGROUP (?) TO (2)
20090504 13:13  LIQ  001 FROMGROUP (?) TO (3)
20090504 13:13  MW   001 FROMGROUP (?) TO (1)
20090504 13:13  PD   001 FROMGROUP (?) TO (2)
20090504 13:13  PGB  001 FROMGROUP (?) TO (4)
20090504 13:13  THA  001 FROMGROUP (?) TO (2)
20090504 13:13  TOL  001 FROMGROUP (?) TO (2)
20090504 13:13  XPR  001 FROMGROUP (?) TO (4)
20090504 15:45  GLE  001 SUSPECTS  PlasteredDragon - rhyme scheme
20090504 15:48  GLE  001 TRUSTS    fwybwed - emulating PD
20090504 16:49  BOT  001 LYNCHED   (W)
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Originally posted by puregoblinboy47:
PD, since you are posting this,
do you suggest pile analysis?

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An the wolves hath ta'en the tack
Of not voting in a pack,
That suggesteth for our pains,
The Thanos-voting wolf is slain.

Which leaveth thence the other three,
Wherein those would yon wolves be?
Assumest one at least votes BoT,
In case his leader sure was caught.

That leaveth hence piles 1 and 3,
As whence the final cur could be.
With one wolf down we've gained a turn,
And through both piles complete could burn.

What we wottest not, forsooth,
Is an those knaves of claw and tooth,
Didst spread themselves apart to hide,
Or stayed closely side by side.

Betwixt us all we must decide,
Didst they settle close or wide?
And mark us well on whom they dine,
It telleth something every time.

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Originally posted by GottaLoveElves:
Alright, I've got to say something.
By the way, PD, don't take this as a dump on your writing; it's honestly pretty impressive.

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Originally posted by GottaLoveElves:
I say it game in and game out that you can't use the "why would a wolf do something this bold/brash/etc?" defense on yourself; it's a logical fallacy that negates itself in its use. But I know I'm not talking to a first-timer here; PD knows the logic and the gameplay every bit as well as I do, and we've been experiencing the same games for the last few months, so no doubt he's seen that argument applied.
I think he knows that.
So I ask myself, why would he make that argument if he knows better? I've come up with two viable conclusions:
1) I think that PD may be admiring himself a little bit here. The rhyming is pretty neat, and he's expressing your points well. But he hasn't been given credit for it: a couple "geez, that's odd, I'm suspicious of PD" posts, but nobody has stepped up and said "come on guys PD wouldn't do this as a wolf, it's unnecessary"--and that's what his scheme wants: a defender of his style to give him a bonus. I'm sure at least some of the citizenship thinks so anyways, but still; he posted that way for days without a defender, so I posit that he stepped up and said it himself anyways to fit better with whatever he has planned.
2) Double bluff--In addition to playing in the open and doing something inexplicably bizarre with his posting, he's saying something he expects he'll get called on and then a chorus will come to the side and say "nah, PD would know way better than to say that if he was a wolf."
Of course, there's the possibility that #1 occurs when PD is a cit and he's so involved in the game he's elected to play; and for that reason, I think that this is far from damning evidence, but I want to caution the citizenship not to just negate him because of what he's doing.
I'll add that I'm not moving for a PD lynch until we have a dead seer; it's a well known fact that he's a high-percentage guess...

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My meter ist a little rough,
Yet reading it soundst well enough.
But that which Gotta warrants true,
Hath surely missed a beat or two.

'Tis truth I'd not likely choose,
This metered speech that I doth use,
Were I of lycanthropic bent,
Methinks that ist self evident.

Aye of course I surely could
That doth not mean I surely would,
I did not say n'er, and no one should,
But discount not the likelihood.

The part upon which we agree?
Rhyme doth not warrant trust of me.
Lookest thou before the game--
The man thou praiseth said the same:

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
...I agree with you in principle, if people are going to listen to me, I want it to be on the solidity of my arguments and not because they just love my creamy, seductive, cinnamon-scented prose or my stunning good looks. If you look back over past games, you'll note I've often posted a reminder that if you are looking to place blame for being lead somewhere, blame yourself for allowing yourself to be lead...

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Must I be duping everyone?
Mayhap I'm just having fun!
Though I accepteth thy critique,
Forsooth I love distracting Liq.

But an thou dost at all suspect,
And decideth thence to stretch my neck,
I will throughout strive to be jolly,
And not begrudge thee (much) thy folly.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Seriously dude? Step away from the keyboard for a few hours and calm down. Back the hell off.

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Your meltdown is priceless. Am I supposed to let you write whatever you want? Sorry, not going to happen

Also PD please stop the rhyming its getting downright annoying, I am not even reading your posts because of it.

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
Also PD please stop the rhyming its getting downright annoying, I am not even reading your posts because of it.

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Also XPR, please stop the complaining its getting downright annoying, I am not even reading your posts because of it.

Anyway, I currently suspect PGB for a couple of reasons.

1) He starts off the game with the Thanos wagon. While I agree with his logic, I feel the argument as a whole may have been an attempt to cover up BoT's chatter and sway the cits away from him.

2) NONE of his round 1 posts do anything but respond to Thanos.

3)

quote:

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Originally posted by PGB:
Crapshoots sometimes work. That's why they are called crapshoots.

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Seems almost upset ... like a bitterness that he got stuck on the wrong side of luck.

4)

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Originally posted by PGB:
PD, since you are posting this,
do you suggest pile analysis?
If so this round the wolves have thrown
if they went ahead and voted their own.
Before the kill I may suggest,
the wolves may be a bit better than this?
I haven't a feeling in quite a while,
I feel we should look at the random pile.
While Thanos, I still feel plays bad,
there are much better decisions now to be had.
The random seems a good place to hide
after the excitement of the lynch subsides.
BernieB as usual for the first round says little.
Liq words all of his posts like a riddle.
Bugger is the trickiest poster by far.
His sparring with Xpr to me is bizarre.
Although Xpr's many posts this game makes me feel sad,
I refuse to believe that any werewolf is that bad.
While he has certainly posted more than his fill,
who in their right minds does it before the first kill?

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4 a) I think the whole rhyming thing is pretty cool (especially liked the fwy's journal). However, PGB may have picked up on the interesting tidbit GLE mentioned - PD, who got the ball rolling on the rhyming, has attracted almost no suspicion for it.

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
Your meltdown is priceless. Am I supposed to let you write whatever you want? Sorry, not going to happen

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
Also PD please stop the rhyming its getting downright annoying, I am not even reading your posts because of it.

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
Also while I am here I might as well mention that PD was the player who PMed me and I did not respond, instead I just forwarded it to nberdog so he could deal with it.

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For thou'rt so obsessed with blame
(And making wreckage of this game)
You've outed yet another player,
With your flapping spittle sprayer.

There was naught my PM said,
That I did not say on the thread,
That contact that you sent on south,
Was trying to save you from your mouth:

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sent May 03, 2009 03:26 PM:
Dude, don't muse about who might be the angel on the thread. That's a great way to get Thanos eaten and people are going to jump on you.

If I were you I'd edit that post IMMEDIATELY.

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To Eric I offered to be recused,
But he patiently refused.
Thusly chastised I consented,
To wait until the game was ended

To announce my sore confession
But then there's thou--without discretion.
To eagerly turn the game to crap,
Because thou canst not shut thy trap.

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Originally posted by XplicitR:
Your meltdown is priceless. Am I supposed to let you write whatever you want? Sorry, not going to happen

Also PD please stop the rhyming its getting downright annoying, I am not even reading your posts because of it.

Also while I am here I might as well mention that PD was the player who PMed me and I did not respond, instead I just forwarded it to nberdog so he could deal with it.

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What is WRONG with you? MM didn't WANT it known who was the person that PM'd anyone in the game. He VERY CLEARLY didn't state names for a REASON. It's MM's game and NOT up to you to reveal such things. And, by the way, what you should have done was forward it to MM and let MM deal with it. MM would have contacted a Mod if he thought he should.

I'm already on the fence about warning you for your posts this game thus far, and now you're going even further with this whole thing. You are not the end all/be all of this game. You have little to no experience in playing and people are offering you TONS of advice, which you arrogantly shoot down, even though it's SOLID advice.

And hey, if you want to ignore the posts of one of the best players in the game, by all means. But don't be surprised when you're left in the dust.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
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If I were you I'd edit that post IMMEDIATELY.

It's a good thing that the Seer doesn't get a chance to get a first round check. Some might consider this to be a slip up that you checked Thanos out. Even though you would not get word of him being an angel.

I do believe there should be no talk of who we feel is the Seer/Angel. Because if we LOSE one of them due to the indiscretion of someone I am gonna be highly upset. It is a almost talk the we do not discuss who the Seer is or who the Angel is for that matter. Stop talking about who we think the special roles are for and let's get back to finding the last 2 wolves.

Hey PD looking back at WW3 or was it 4, didn't you do the whole rhyme thing and turn up to be a wolf??? Just curious if you can elaborate on that for me. OK Mother Goose! LOL

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
Hey PD looking back at WW3 or was it 4, didn't you do the whole rhyme thing and turn up to be a wolf??? Just curious if you can elaborate on that for me. OK Mother Goose! LOL

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Not quite the same as my game now,
But if thou considerest them like enow,
Feel free to cast thy lot my way,
I'm losing heart now anyway.

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Originally posted by AlmasterGM:
Also XPR, please stop the complaining its getting downright annoying, I am not even reading your posts because of it.

Anyway, I currently suspect PGB for a couple of reasons.

1) He starts off the game with the Thanos wagon. While I agree with his logic, I feel the argument as a whole may have been an attempt to cover up BoT's chatter and sway the cits away from him.

2) NONE of his round 1 posts do anything but respond to Thanos.

3) Seems almost upset ... like a bitterness that he got stuck on the wrong side of luck.

4)

4 a) I think the whole rhyming thing is pretty cool (especially liked the fwy's journal). However, PGB may have picked up on the interesting tidbit GLE mentioned - PD, who got the ball rolling on the rhyming, has attracted almost no suspicion for it.

4 b) Content wise, the post throws accusations all over the place without offering any solid lean one way or another. This seems like an attempt to cause disorder and send people bickering in a multitude of directions.

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While I wanted to lynch Thanos because he is the weakest cit, it's not like I was dead set upon it. I wasn't aggressively trying to corral voters like I was against PD last game. I threw that out there to see what would happen. Good things did happen. It made a viable counterwagon to BOT so there was less hiding. The fact that BOT was a wolf is irrelevant here. We have piles to work with, and in the event that BoT was innocent, we would have a lot more to go off of than a dogpile upon him.

If I had changed my tone anywhere in that day, the Thanos wagon would have fallen apart and we would have had nothing to work with.

I'll say right now that I used poor language. There was a damn good reason not to vote Thanos; there was no evidence against him. If I could have a sentence back in that day, it would be that one.

Low: XPR- His pregame chatter got a wolf to speak up and give himself away.

TOL:

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It was good advice, no doubt. But something about it just nags me. At the end of almost every game I've played in, when wolves are revealed, I always end up wishing I had followed my first instinct. It has ended up being a rather good instinct each game. So, I can't elaborate on what exactly is suspicious about the above post, (I'm not entirely sure myself) but it triggers my alarms and I'm going with my gut this time, for better or worse.

As of now, Voting Battle_of_Twits

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First to get a wagon going with a good reason, low.

Bugger

quote:

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I don't get why a wagon's forming on B_o_T. The guy's made one post. I haven't seen much of his playstyle, but what about advocating quietness in R0 is so amazingly suspicious? Can someone explain this to me, because I'm really not seeing anything.
WRT Liq's suspicions: I assume you are suspecting PGB because he launched off for Thanos. If you'd check the aftergame discussion of (I think it was) WW8, PGB declared from then on he'd be voting for a quiet/unhelpful cit each R1. I did as well. And both of us have been sticking to that. Furthermore, in all the games I've seen PGB play, he guns every single round for cit unity. His behaviour this game is not OOC in the slightest.

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I strongly think that we should be looking into the random pile right now. It's very likely to contain a wolf as an easy hiding place. Of the three randoms that PD has pointed out, Bugger is my most likely target. Here's why:

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I don't get why a wagon's forming on B_o_T. The guy's made one post. I haven't seen much of his playstyle, but what about advocating quietness in R0 is so amazingly suspicious? Can someone explain this to me, because I'm really not seeing anything.

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Holy crap. Thanos is at eight? I'm switching, but not to BoT, who seems to be the most popular counterwagon. I'm honestly seeing *nothing* wildly OOC for BoT- but some of JackSpade's posts are. Something in his posts seem off to me... if anything it looks a little like me ww7. It's better than nothing, and the last thing we need right now is another massive R1 pile. Voting JackSpade.

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Originally posted by GottaLoveElves:
That last post was a lie, I do have another read: I think fwyb is a cit.

The "fwyb's journal" thing he posted really gives me the vibe of seeing PD take some creative license with the game and wanting to do the same. I dumped a little on fwyb back in WW5 when we played together, but it wasn't that he had no idea how to play as a wolf--just inexperience I suppose, not seeing the benefit of certain ideas. He was plenty calculated, and not really that cocky. Someone like him I wouldn't profile to go creative as a wolf, especially in someone else's footsteps. Unless, of course, PD is a wolf and fwyb is his protege, but that's a huge longshot R1.

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Ya, I was pretty self centred back then GLE I didnt see the big picture. The Dumping was deserved lol.

As for my journal, I actually started when we were ww's. I wrote one as I sat in a cell accused. And the that last game I wrote another as my final entry, I was shredded.

Ill most likely do it more often as the so called creative juices flow

As for the protege' thing, thats Bugger's spot hahaa I don't wanna cut his grass.

(Edit @ Bugger)And that thing with switching votes, that is a bad play imo, only because you try to justify your reasons for doing so and that takes away from others and their suspicions. But who knows at this point you may be trying to keep your play consistant.

First of all: I've got two people pushing for a lynch of me, and I want to say this:
I see very clearly how, from a different perspective, I am the most logical target for R2- I'm in the smallest pile (more on that in a minute), I'm the most active (and therefore suspicious) poster in that pile, and we can afford to devote time to searching what with a live seer and a dead wolf in R2. I realize I'm probably very low on the seer's priority list- I'm just not that important.

So: Go ahead and lynch me if you must. Seriously. I'm not going to make a melodramatic martyr move (m cubed?) like Chuck would and vote for myself to prove a point- my death can do even better than that and we have many lynches and scrys ahead of us. If I can get everyone to listen to what I have to say and hopefully winnow down a pile with (hopefully) a wolf in it, I'll go to the gallows gladly- for the good of the poggle .

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Originally posted by puregoblinboy47:
First to get a wagon going with a good reason, low.
Cit unity is only my strategy when it seems like we .

I strongly think that we should be looking into the random pile right now. It's very likely to contain a wolf as an easy hiding place. Of the three randoms that PD has pointed out, Bugger is my most likely target. Here's why:
[QUOTE]I don't get why a wagon's forming on B_o_T. The guy's made one post. I haven't seen much of his playstyle, but what about advocating quietness in R0 is so amazingly suspicious? Can someone explain this to me, because I'm really not seeing anything.

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Two things: I'm not surprised my lack of suspicion with BoT is swinging around to bite me in the butt now- I'd expect nothing less if it was someone else in my position either. No big deal.
As for the Thanos switch: I was really worried he was the seer or angel, and that the pile on him would swell out of control. Both those factors did us in last game. I didn't want to scream out that I thought he had a special role, so I hoped that at least one or two smarter cits would see what I had seen and back off discreetly as well, just enough that we could start a counterwagon. Because really, what's better? Backing off and hoping he doesn't get lynched, or sticking with it to avoid suspicion in a big pile? Which is more becoming of a wolf? You know as well as I do.

Also, WRT JackSpade: You misunderstand me. I know he hasn't played a game before- That's exactly my point. He has been (not recently, as he hasn't posted much) behaving in a way that reminded me of myself WW7: a newb trying to act dumber than he really was. I'll say this again though: Until I come out with a detailed psychograph (usually by R3), I have no clear directions to offer. My on-the-spot instincts suck- see how I completely missed anything awry in BoT?

Anyway, I should get some more analysis-geared stuff up before my death, should it come this round. I have to go now though so it will have to wait for a subsequent post.

1) I think that if we're short on character based voting this round, the Thanos vote has now become a great idea. It's generally agreed upon that we're likely to have a barker in the B_o_T pile; I'd say it would have to be a later voter for sure. The closer Thanos was to the deadline, the more damning: as a wolf, if he's given no choice, may as well vote for the leader and gain some credibility while hoping that the storm subsides.
2) I was perhaps a little more abrasive about PD than I'd intended to be earlier; I don't mean to dump on him and accuse him as a wolf for having fun; I just felt like a lot of posters were giving him a free pass, something that even he agrees shouldn't happen. With that said, I think it's more or less a given in this game right now that we don't worry about his role until the seer is either dead or has revealed; the PD guess is too high-percentage a seer play for most seers for us to waste that opportunity.
3) I have no idea how to feel about XPR, but I'd caution the seer against guessing him despite his oddities; rude play has a tendency to see players eat dirt in this game. If things keep up at present, he'll likely suffer that fate, so if he's a wolf, we'll worry about it then. There are much better targets who'll be less under the radar & will glean more valuable information.
4) The PMing outside the game, although not allowed, isn't exactly something I think deserves the knicker-knotting it's causing right now. Yes, it was illegal, it'll be dealt with, but now knowing who and what it was, it's pretty clear that the intent wasn't cheating, and more of a friendly attempt at help. Against the rules, yes, but we'll deal with that later; it's really not as big a deal as everyone seems to want to make about it.
For the record, I've PMed people as a citizen (though without stating my role) to apologize if I thought my posting was likely to personally offend them; sometimes a much hairier persona is necessary in the thread to elicit the kind of response you need, but I personally don't like to step on toes. I digress though, point is, worry about it later.

You announced that you didn't see anything wrong with BoT's post. Yet there were almost half that did. Why not take a second look and re-evaluate the post. See if maybe there was some sub sequence to it.

IMO to say that you thought Thanos had a role and you were worried strikes me very odd. There was nothing Thanos said or did to give that assumption.

Backing off a pile with a lame excuse, not looking at the BoT post; especially after numerous people found it suspicious and not even directing back to it. Has me very suspicious of you. Especially going after someone who has not even seem suspicious. Had you gone after someone that may had a slight hint on them it would of had some justification in my eyes.

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Originally posted by GottaLoveElves:
2) I was perhaps a little more abrasive about PD than I'd intended to be earlier; I don't mean to dump on him and accuse him as a wolf for having fun; I just felt like a lot of posters were giving him a free pass, something that even he agrees shouldn't happen. With that said, I think it's more or less a given in this game right now that we don't worry about his role until the seer is either dead or has revealed; the PD guess is too high-percentage a seer play for most seers for us to waste that opportunity.

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I think Chuck's poetic licensing is done for one of two reasons (depending on his role):
1. He is doing it to try to get people to judge his posts based on substance, not style- as he said he wanted everyone to in his prose post R0N.
2. He is doing it NOT as a straight double-bluff, but to cloud the clarity of his posts- make it more difficult to understand what he's saying and thinking. This may be what Liq is worried about.

If he's doing this for the first reason, I'd take it as a sign of cithood.
If he's doing this for the second reason, it goes almost without saying it's wolfiness.
So, for now I'm trying to disregard it when taking my suspicions into account, it falls into tertiary data when making suspicions for me (can't build the case, but it can reinforce it).

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4) The PMing outside the game, although not allowed, isn't exactly something I think deserves the knicker-knotting it's causing right now. Yes, it was illegal, it'll be dealt with, but now knowing who and what it was, it's pretty clear that the intent wasn't cheating, and more of a friendly attempt at help. Against the rules, yes, but we'll deal with that later; it's really not as big a deal as everyone seems to want to make about it.
For the record, I've PMed people as a citizen (though without stating my role) to apologize if I thought my posting was likely to personally offend them; sometimes a much hairier persona is necessary in the thread to elicit the kind of response you need, but I personally don't like to step on toes. I digress though, point is, worry about it later.

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I'm going to take it as a sign that Chuck is a cit... for now. The seer should still scry to be sure about it, honestly, but from what I know of him Chuck would never cash in on his principles just to further his goals in a game like this. If he lost composure and sent a PM thereby breaking the rules, I'll say that I am certain that it was genuine emotion. So for now I'm thinking he's a cit.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
Bugger you know I was thinking that you were fishing for something, didn't find it that is why you jumped off the Thanos wagon. It's real simple and easy to run to a random pile. It is also my opinion that I think you may have been instructed to stay away from the Thanos pile seeing as last game you went to the pile voting.

You announced that you didn't see anything wrong with BoT's post. Yet there were almost half that did. Why not take a second look and re-evaluate the post. See if maybe there was some sub sequence to it.

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All Hail The Word of Bernek!
Kowtow to His Almighty Decrees of Suspicion!
For if He declares One Suspicious, That is Fact, and if He declares One's behaviour to be Not Suspicious, lo They are Not Suspect, and that is Fact also.
All Hail the Word of Bernek!

Bernek, simply because you think BoT was suspicious, and half the group agrees with you, does not mean I am somehow inevitably compelled to think the same. Just as simply because you do not find JackSpade suspicious, does not mean I am bull****ing when I say that I do.

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Incorrect.

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Originally posted by Thanos:
*sigh*

I strongly suggest that you don't vote for me.

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I'll say it again to reinforce the message:
Simply because you think someone or something is some way, does not mean it is that way. That is only your opinion. Mine is different. That doesn't mean I'm wrong.

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Backing off a pile with a lame excuse, not looking at the BoT post; especially after numerous people found it suspicious and not even directing back to it. Has me very suspicious of you. Especially going after someone who has not even seem suspicious. Had you gone after someone that may had a slight hint on them it would of had some justification in my eyes.

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Fine, I'll say it a Third time:
Your opinion of someone's suspiciousness =/= fact. It is an opinion.

I found JackSpade to be slightly suspicious. I've said this already, but I guess you didn't bother reading it:

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Originally posted by Bugger:
If anything I've learned from last game, it's this: my on-the-spot instincts prove usually wrong, but my psychograph work and pile interpretations are almost always right. For that reason I'm trying (somewhat unsuccessfully) to post less in R1 and R2, as by that point there's not enough information to look at and therefore I have little of value to contribute. Therefore my R1 and R2 votes tend to be fairly empty of conviction- explaining why I'm making a habit of voting off quiet/unhelpful players R1 whenever possible.

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My suspicion field is still empty because I usually start swinging into gear with my R3 information dump. Until then I'm a fairly weak cit, and my suspicions are low. So I voted for Spade because he was the most suspicious out of a sea of virtually no suspicions- if I were using Liq's percentages the field looked like this to me:
JackSpade- 52%
Everyone else- 50%
I'm not saying I though BoT was a cit, just as I'm not quick to declare Jack a wolf. My suspicions take time to form, they don't just drop out the the air. Until then I treat everyone as neutral in that regard.