2 Thoughts:

1) Spy Plane is by far the best kill streak and I don't think I will ever not use it

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Originally posted by Thanos:
Anyone else getting stuck in endless Nuketown rooms?

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yah... with campers no less. It is just a fast way for people to level. Me + Spaz + hardline = 20+ killstreak rewards per nuketown game.

The only downside of the game so far, is the ridiculous hidden lag. They've designed the game so that it appears there isn't any either. The FAL is a 2 shot kill. I had over 4 hit markers on 1 guy, and then he killed me. I was pretty perplexed until I watched the kill cam. Apparently I only shot once... not HIT HIM once, only SHOT once. Why on my screen did it register 4 hit markers then?! Sneaky treyarch. Some things they need to fix:

-lag... is bad...
-Final stand: this BS perk needs to register hits while they are going into final stand as hits... nothing like putting someone into final stand with the first 3 shots, getting 4 more hit markers while they are falling into final stand, and still having to shoot them once to kill them.
-take the ballistic knife out of the game... seriously, if people thought commando pro lunge was bad, this is worse... being shot over a building is bad.
-secondary weapons are terrible in this game.... i use the RPG on every class with sleight of hand because the pistols are horrible

Is the china lake launcher any good?

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Originally posted by Malice327:
yah... with campers no less. It is just a fast way for people to level. Me + Spaz + hardline = 20+ killstreak rewards per nuketown game.

The only downside of the game so far, is the ridiculous hidden lag. They've designed the game so that it appears there isn't any either. The FAL is a 2 shot kill. I had over 4 hit markers on 1 guy, and then he killed me. I was pretty perplexed until I watched the kill cam. Apparently I only shot once... not HIT HIM once, only SHOT once. Why on my screen did it register 4 hit markers then?! Sneaky treyarch. Some things they need to fix:

-lag... is bad...
-Final stand: this BS perk needs to register hits while they are going into final stand as hits... nothing like putting someone into final stand with the first 3 shots, getting 4 more hit markers while they are falling into final stand, and still having to shoot them once to kill them.
-take the ballistic knife out of the game... seriously, if people thought commando pro lunge was bad, this is worse... being shot over a building is bad.
-secondary weapons are terrible in this game.... i use the RPG on every class with sleight of hand because the pistols are horrible

Is the china lake launcher any good?

overall though, boss game. I like MW2 better, but this one is still definitely fun.

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If you think pistols are horrible you're using them wrong, i've seen a streamer on JTV that gets 2-3 shot kills on a regular basis with his single pistol secondary.

Shooting down air support seems even better in this game than it was in mw2.

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Originally posted by Eatatjoes:
I lost all my dough when i prestiged. I had almost 90,000.

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Originally posted by flophaus:
What "dough/$" are you guys talking about? XP? I just started playing this on 360. I am a total newb as to the verbage

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"He knew suddenly that he was not going to escape. He was only mildly surprised to discover that he no longer cared.
An instant later, he was dead."

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Originally posted by Thanos:
Anyone else getting stuck in endless Nuketown rooms?

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I think my longest streak in nuketown was 9. Its a popular level cause it ends so fast, so that means quick xp.

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Originally posted by WCFmo:
How does someone get to 70 or 90k? Jeez, I guess I'm spending stuff too quickly. Not like I'm terrible at the game, at least I don't think. I'm level 33/34 or something.

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I only really use 2 guns, so there isnt much to spend my money on, once ive upgraded them to my liking. So now i've just been blowing all my cod points on wager matches, haha

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Originally posted by stu55:
I am about through 15 games and I am running at a ~2.0 KDR....this game got easier I think. People are so bad that you can just own with a silencer

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Ive been thinking the same thing. Silencer with ghost perk is pretty good this game. People just dont pay attention, and there whole spawn gets wrecked.

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Originally posted by Cab:
Do people camp as much in Black Ops as they did in MW2? And do most of the players in objective based games still completely ignore the objective and just go for k/d spread?

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
If you think pistols are horrible you're using them wrong, i've seen a streamer on JTV that gets 2-3 shot kills on a regular basis with his single pistol secondary.

Shooting down air support seems even better in this game than it was in mw2.

I'm probably going to get this when i can find it on sale, because I'm not paying $60 for it.

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Your response makes me think you don't play this game really.... pistols are horrible. Yah you can get kills with them, but the first thing i do when i kill someone, is replace my pistol with their weapon. Akimbo pythons are decent close range, but compared to MW2, the secondary's in BO blow chunks.

shotty's in MW2 are FAR superior, and they were secondary's not primaries. Secondary's had machine pistols, which with the pp2000, was like an assault rifle with stopping power (or the G18's... those were boss). BO also suffers from the launcher glitch.. if you get killed right after firing an RPG... your rocket disappears.

Maybe it has something to do with the balls lag... but pistols seem to do SFA for me.

As for cod currency, i spend it as fast as i get it... the challenges for guns gain you exp.. so switching weapons regularly generally equates to more xp. I am still trying to find a staple weapon. MW2 I used the Scar w extended mags like a champ.

Anyone here have some suggestions for good BO weapons? right now I use the following the most:

Aug - reflex sight
Sleight of Hand
Hardline
Ninja

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Fal - reflex site - supressor
Warlord
Ninja
Ghost

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Originally posted by Malice327:
Your response makes me think you don't play this game really.... pistols are horrible.

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Your first sentence and you're already wrong twice...

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Yah you can get kills with them, but the first thing i do when i kill someone, is replace my pistol with their weapon.

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"An assault rifle is better than a pistol" does not mean "pistols are horrible".

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Akimbo pythons are decent close range, but compared to MW2, the secondary's in BO blow chunks.

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Well yeah, they took our shotties away.

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shotty's in MW2 are FAR superior, and they were secondary's not primaries.

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You don't consider it unbalanced that many secondaries were better than the majority of primaries?

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Secondary's had machine pistols, which with the pp2000, was like an assault rifle with stopping power (or the G18's... those were boss).

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See above.

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BO also suffers from the launcher glitch.. if you get killed right after firing an RPG... your rocket disappears.

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You're surprised that there's glitches in a CoD game?

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Maybe it has something to do with the balls lag... but pistols seem to do SFA for me.

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They're not supposed to be used in the way you're trying to use them. Get the MW2 mentality out of your head.

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As for cod currency, i spend it as fast as i get it... the challenges for guns gain you exp.. so switching weapons regularly generally equates to more xp. I am still trying to find a staple weapon. MW2 I used the Scar w extended mags like a champ.

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I used to run around with a UMP silenced like a champ. The MP5 silenced is a good early substitute. For you, you'll probably want the M16 or FAMAS silenced.

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Anyone here have some suggestions for good BO weapons? right now I use the following the most:

Aug - reflex sight
Sleight of Hand
Hardline
Ninja

or

Fal - reflex site - supressor
Warlord
Ninja
Ghost

@ CAB the way they track stats in this game publicly is by game type. You cannot just look up someone elses KD ratio. If you look in Domination, it lists their points per minute, their captures, defends, and kills, but not KD. It's different for each game type leaderboard though.

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See above for my suggestion.

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
Your first sentence and you're already wrong twice...

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So you play this game, and you think the pistols are good?

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
"An assault rifle is better than a pistol" does not mean "pistols are horrible".

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Pistols are horrible. They are a rare substitute for a real gun when either a: you've run out of ammo, or b: your clip is empty and its faster to change guns than reload. No one runs around with a pistol because it is good.... and it shotguns were secondary's barely anyone would use pistols. Take into account the balls lag issues with the game, and sometimes you're at a severe disadvantage when using an assault rifle... a pistol would just serve you up on a silver platter to anyone else with a better connection.

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
You don't consider it unbalanced that many secondaries were better than the majority of primaries?

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In MW2?! Secondary's perform a different function that primary's. An AA12 is great, but pretty terrible at range, etc etc. You don't have that option in black ops. Pistols don't fill a "bad at range, but deadly in close quarters" role that shotty's or machine pistols in MW2 did. A pp2000 was almost like an assault rifle, but if you did your homework on the stats for it, you'd see that its damage over range decreases FAR faster than even sub machine guns. However, for a sniper, when an opponent gets close, this gun suits its purpose.

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
They're not supposed to be used in the way you're trying to use them. Get the MW2 mentality out of your head.

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We're talking about black ops right? which functions pretty much like MW2? Pistols don't serve much of a purpose in black ops. I kill someone, my pistol becomes their main weapon. If you're holding onto your pistol, you either adore that pistols switch in faster. That's just my opinion though.

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
I used to run around with a UMP silenced like a champ. The MP5 silenced is a good early substitute. For you, you'll probably want the M16 or FAMAS silenced.

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I actually use the AK47U, definitely the best SMG imo. Also, with losing all your currency when you prestige, might as well spend it. MW2, I had a run and gun class, and you are completely right, the ump was by far the best gun for that.

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Originally posted by Our_Benefactors:
<snip> Use rolling thunder for the lulz.

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Napalm is also a great lulz creator!

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Originally posted by Our_Benefactors:
Does anyone have tips on how to effectively use napalm strike? It seems like the actual flames are nowhere near where you place it on the map a lot of the time...

Also to everyone hating on nuketown, you just suck at the map. I consistently go 2.5-3 + to 1 in nuketown, FFA or TDM. The strategy of the map is pretty simple, just look down the corridors to the backyards until you kill everyone (especially shooting through the shrubbery on the route to the backyard with the swings, people are dumb and hide there all the time). Move along the edges when you're trying to cross the map. Use rolling thunder for the lulz.

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The circle mark is where the planes release the napalm bombs. For maps like nuke town, I position the drop marker at the edge of the map, and then the fire can pretty much cut the map in half width wise.

Domination is pretty much the only game type i play, but nuketown is still a gong show. It's the only map i snipe on actually, LOL!

I think BO is different enough from MW2 to not think of it as MW2 pt 2. That's why I feel your attempt to try to treat it like black ops- "this should be this way because that's the way it was in MW2"- is flawed. Thinking of it as its own entry into the CoD series (it wasn't even made by the same company...) opens up a lot more possibilities.

So if we review the game on its own merits, we look at secondaries and see that they've been reduced to a secondary role, as the name implies. Conveniently, if we look at the damage charts, we can see that the pistols are actually fairly decent. In theory, the Python can 2-shot at short range; all the pistols are 3 shot kills at roughly 10m regardless of where you hit the enemy. There's no super secondary like akimbo G18s or the Spas or Striker or M10, but the secondaries in this game appear competent in their role.

Re: the hipfire remark: I've literally never seen a kill cam where someone hipfired. I don't think it actually happens. You can look up my gamercard if you want- my GT is Master Rauen- but I don't think you get situations where you can just hipfire spray and hope for the best. There's no spraying pistol like the G18s here, you need to look down the sights to have any accuracy. Hell, with a red dot on a FAMAS, i still end up hitting the legs when i'm aiming square at the heart.

I don't care about the customization in this game. I just like that it feels like, for the most part, maps are balanced. Balanced maps are something recent FPS games have sorely lacked, and the lack of balanced maps were MW2's biggest problem. I also disliked CoD4 primarily because I thought the maps were unbalanced (plus 3 frags? really?). This game finally gets them right. Now if they can fix the matchmaking...

I agree that Treyarch tried to tone down secondary's. I am surprised you haven't been killed by hipfire. I think I ran around on Hanoi and didn't iron site once because of how accurate hip firing is. Test it out in a private match with a friend... it's pretty grosse, even without steady aim.