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Our_Benefactors
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posted May 13, 2010 09:20 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Our_Benefactors Click Here to Email Our_Benefactors Send a private message to Our_Benefactors Click to send Our_Benefactors an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malice327:

Oh and Daner, there are some people that have win streaks (legitimately) on my friendlist way higher than 14. It is possible.

Streak != Ratio

 
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lol, i get that streak doesn't equal ratio, but, there HAVE to be some people that can hit high win streaks on a regular basis. few and far between, but they still have to exist.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Malice327:
lol, i get that streak doesn't equal ratio, but, there HAVE to be some people that can hit high win streaks on a regular basis. few and far between, but they still have to exist.

I submit to you that a lot of this is due to various statistical properties, such as the law of large numbers, variance, etc.

 
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Streak is pretty pointless...

I can guarantee you that I am a winning player, but that doesn't mean the team I am RANDOMLY put on is.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by stu55:
Streak is pretty pointless...

I can guarantee you that I am a winning player, but that doesn't mean the team I am RANDOMLY put on is.


So my friend that does only FFA, and has a 107 win streak, it is just happenstance?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Malice327:
So my friend that does only FFA, and has a 107 win streak, it is just happenstance?

I submit to you that a lot of this is due to various statistical properties, such as the law of large numbers, variance, etc.

lrn2statistics

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Our_Benefactors:
I submit to you that a lot of this is due to various statistical properties, such as the law of large numbers, variance, etc.

lrn2statistics


That's nice... lrn2saythingspeoplegiveacrapabout

see what i did there... i think you did. We were discussing that its possible for someone to have a huge win loss ratio due to playing consistantly only with the same group of good players. Saying it's it's due to statistics... really... you think? That's like quoting laws of probability. If you drop a ball, it's possible it will fall up, however improbable. Therefore, my answer to every question should be "it's possible".

It's like that youtube video about World of Warcraft, where someone asks for help and gets no responses, but intentionally states something wrong in general chat and gets a huge amount of people correcting him... why... because people get off on trying to seem smart and proving people wrong.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by Malice327 on May 14, 2010]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Malice327:
Saying it's it's due to statistics... really... you think?

Yeah, that's a big part of it. You fail to consider the sheer number of people that play COD and the probability that a few of them will have ridiculously high streaks, because that's the way that the law of large numbers works. This isn't changed by the fact that skill is also a factor.

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If you drop a ball, it's possible it will fall up, however improbable.

lrn2gravity

quote:

It's like that youtube video about World of Warcraft, where someone asks for help and gets no responses, but intentionally states something wrong in general chat and gets a huge amount of people correcting him... why... because people get off on trying to seem smart and proving people wrong.

I'm not trying to make you look bad or personally attack you which seems to be what you think I am doing. I'm just trying to point something out that you (and I'm sure many others) overlook.

 
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posted May 14, 2010 10:42 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Malice327 Click Here to Email Malice327 Send a private message to Malice327 Click to send Malice327 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I mistook your intent then, I apologize. I understand that the more people playing the game, the more chances of people with huge streaks. However, doesn't that also mean the more people playing the game, the more chances of having a team of individuals skilled enough to pull of really high win loss ratios?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Malice327:
lol, i get that streak doesn't equal ratio, but, there HAVE to be some people that can hit high win streaks on a regular basis. few and far between, but they still have to exist.

We aren't talking about streaks...my COD4 win streak was 47 in a row, my ratio was under 1.5.

Yes people can get on massive win streaks, but I call BS if you say your win ratio is 14:1.

The mere fact that if you back out you get a loss is a hinder on most peoples w/l ratio.

I know it is on mine. I can't play with bad playrs....I just can't. People who sit and camp during Domination...or just plain suck. This is why I like Xbox better than my new PS3. I use to be able to block players from ever having to play with them ...well put them on the "avoided" players list if they sucked. PS3 only blocks chat, I can still get thrown into a game with people who are hopeless to your cause...which most of the time I'll keep backing out until it gives me a new server to play in.

 
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I sat down and tested like 30 of our old NES games last night so I can list them on ebay. It made me realize how little I miss retro gaming.

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quote:
Originally posted by Malice327:
So my friend that does only FFA, and has a 107 win streak, it is just happenstance?


Basically..yes. You realize how bad people are that play FFA? I refuse to because I don't want to mess around with boosters

 
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posted May 18, 2010 11:18 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for ikris Click Here to Email ikris Send a private message to ikris Click to send ikris an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by stu55:

Basically..yes. You realize how bad people are that play FFA? I refuse to because I don't want to mess around with boosters


Nuke boosters are probably at least half the reason my K/D is as high as it is. I've dedicated a full custom class to dealing with boosters and every time I enter a FFA I check for boosters before I start.

Nothing makes my day more than following around a bunch of idiots and ruining their day until they move on to a new lobby.

My Anti-Booster Class
Primary: TAR w/ Nube Tube
Secondary: RPG
Equipment: C4, Stun Grenades
Perks: Scavenger Pro, Cold Blooded Pro, Ninja Pro

Those morons never even see it coming.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by ikris:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by stu55:

Basically..yes. You realize how bad people are that play FFA? I refuse to because I don't want to mess around with boosters



Nuke boosters are probably at least half the reason my K/D is as high as it is. I've dedicated a full custom class to dealing with boosters and every time I enter a FFA I check for boosters before I start.

Nothing makes my day more than following around a bunch of idiots and ruining their day until they move on to a new lobby.

My Anti-Booster Class
Primary: TAR w/ Nube Tube
Secondary: RPG
Equipment: C4, Stun Grenades
Perks: Scavenger Pro, Cold Blooded Pro, Ninja Pro

Those morons never even see it coming.[/QUOTE]

I was playing Domination the other day, and some guy got a nuke after only going 15 K and 0 D. Not only that it was set to go off after 14 minutes. It was the most confusing thing ever. Obviously hacking. I hate that bull**** because he had like 10 AC-130s as well. I don't understand why these servers/game companies don't work on **** like that happening more often.

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quote:
Originally posted by ikris:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by stu55:

Basically..yes. You realize how bad people are that play FFA? I refuse to because I don't want to mess around with boosters



Nuke boosters are probably at least half the reason my K/D is as high as it is. I've dedicated a full custom class to dealing with boosters and every time I enter a FFA I check for boosters before I start.

Nothing makes my day more than following around a bunch of idiots and ruining their day until they move on to a new lobby.

My Anti-Booster Class
Primary: TAR w/ Nube Tube
Secondary: RPG
Equipment: C4, Stun Grenades
Perks: Scavenger Pro, Cold Blooded Pro, Ninja Pro

Those morons never even see it coming.[/QUOTE]

I suggest using sitrep instead of ninja, you can see their glowing ass tac insertions lol

 
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quote:
Originally posted by iccarus:
I sat down and tested like 30 of our old NES games last night so I can list them on ebay. It made me realize how little I miss retro gaming.


I prefer the older games so much. None of my current top 5 favorite games are for a current-generation console; one of them, my #1 favorite, is on NES. Kings of the Beach, original Zelda, Mario 1-3, Demon Sword, Contra...the NES had some really good games, before game companies even knew what a good game was.

I canceled my WoW account to try out Gamefly...and within 12 hours my 360 got red-ringed. I've heard from multiple sources that sometimes the 360 just starts working again on its own, and I've seen instructions for taking it apart and fixing it. I've heard rumors that the RRoD seems to be caused by either the CPU/GPU overheating or by the MoBo warping due to the heat sink being improperly attached to the CPU/GPU, and the DIY instructions assume the latter. Mind you, I bought a refurbished console so it's not under warranty.

Since it's not under warranty, if it doesn't come back on its own (and I can't find someone to fix it cheap) I'm going to use it as a lesson in electronics. Meh.

In the interim, I'm borrowing my parents' 360. Gamefly is sending me NHL10 and Skate 3, with Red Dead Redemption and Twilight Princess next on the list. I decided to do 2 games for the first month since it's only $12.95 for the trial, then move to one game after. We'll see how I like it...

 
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quote:
Originally posted by ryan2754:
I was playing Domination the other day, and some guy got a nuke after only going 15 K and 0 D. Not only that it was set to go off after 14 minutes. It was the most confusing thing ever. Obviously hacking. I hate that bull**** because he had like 10 AC-130s as well. I don't understand why these servers/game companies don't work on **** like that happening more often.



Okay, so I'm not hallucinating when the other team has an AC-130 and their top guy has like 8 kills.

I think I played a game and a half with you today on MW2 Ryan. I was noob tubing it up on one of the maps .

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quote:
Originally posted by Cab:
Okay, so I'm not hallucinating when the other team has an AC-130 and their top guy has like 8 kills.

I think I played a game and a half with you today on MW2 Ryan. I was noob tubing it up on one of the maps .


well, ac130 and chopper gunners can sometimes come out of care packages.... but definitely not nukes.

there were so many 1 man army noob tubers playing last night that I went tac knifing with a blast shield on for most of the games.

 
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Cab are you Sun Chips Mcgee? I definitely join your games because I was waiting on some friends to finish a game.

Noob Tubers have been out in full force lately.

I'm just trying to get all the unlockes for each weapon.


Yeah, I changed my gamertag from Schmitty4BU to EndersShadow.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by ryan2754:
Cab are you Sun Chips Mcgee? I definitely join your games because I was waiting on some friends to finish a game.

Noob Tubers have been out in full force lately.

I'm just trying to get all the unlockes for each weapon.


Yeah, I changed my gamertag from Schmitty4BU to EndersShadow.


In all honesty, the game is meant to have tubes, and if it didn't everyone would whine about the camping. Note how much the game encourages use of explosives- you get tubes at 10 kills, OMA refills tubes (after 3/4 seconds with OMA Pro), Danger Close makes them more deadly, etc etc. Just as tubing is a counter to camping, UMP silenced - lightweight - marathon is a counter to tubers...and then claymore - thermal snipes are a counter to "runaround" classes, and oma tubes are the counter to that, and so on.

I can't play Estate to save my life. I'm fine on most maps and am excellent on Favela, Skidrow and Afghan, but can't figure out Estate.

Edit: My XBL GT is Master Rauen. I'll be playing some NHL10, Skate 3 and MW2 over the next week or two.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Tranderas on May 19, 2010]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by ryan2754:
Cab are you Sun Chips Mcgee? I definitely join your games because I was waiting on some friends to finish a game.

Noob Tubers have been out in full force lately.

I'm just trying to get all the unlockes for each weapon.


Yeah, I changed my gamertag from Schmitty4BU to EndersShadow.


Yeah, that's me. I usually only bust out the noob tube in order to get back in the positive when I've had some bad K/D spread games. I don't use OMA with it though, just scavenger pro and danger close pro.

@malice: Oh, I see, well that explains the early ac130s and chopper gunners. The only killstreaks I usually use are UAV, counter-UAV or Predator Missile, and Pavelow (but rarely get it).

Has anyone played NHL 10 online before? Are the people that play online or are there some noobs as well? I don't want to waste my time getting blown out like 5-0 every game, haha.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tranderas:
I canceled my WoW account to try out Gamefly...and within 12 hours my 360 got red-ringed. I've heard from multiple sources that sometimes the 360 just starts working again on its own, and I've seen instructions for taking it apart and fixing it. I've heard rumors that the RRoD seems to be caused by either the CPU/GPU overheating or by the MoBo warping due to the heat sink being improperly attached to the CPU/GPU, and the DIY instructions assume the latter. Mind you, I bought a refurbished console so it's not under warranty.

Since it's not under warranty, if it doesn't come back on its own (and I can't find someone to fix it cheap) I'm going to use it as a lesson in electronics. Meh.


If you got the red ring, your console should not need to be under warranty for them to fix it. They are supposed to fix RRoD without a warranty. I've had them do it for me 4-5 times now, but it varies how happy they are to do it. Call them up, somewhat angry, tell them this has happened to you several times now, (They don't keep track of that crap) and casually mention how Sony doesn't have problems like this, and how you are going to switch. You should receive a box for your console in a week or so, and the console comes back in a week and a half or so, with a free month of XboX Live for your troubles. Good Luck!

 
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@ ryan: that makes sense! I was wondering who the hell endershadow was and how they got on my friend list lol.

@ cab: have you tried the 5-7-9 killstreak combo? Once you hit 5, you generally get the other two. Predator missle, killing 2 people, harrier strike, call in pavlow. I generally do predator missile, harrier, then go die to get danger close, and chopper gunner.

@ Tran: claymores don't stop runners they can move right past it before it explodes. Tubes are for anti camping, but OMA shouldn't reload them. Also, if they made blast shield a bit more effective, I can see it playing an important role in the game.

All in all though, if you get a team where several people are OMA tubing, try blast shield / tac knife. I have a demolitions class, with nube tube, RPG, danger close, and scavenger, which i use to axe campers and snipers. The only map I regularly use it on though, is skidrow because some ******* always sits at the end of the stairs shooting down the B hallway, or above A... RPG / Tubes solve both. NOTHING bugs me more than someone sitting above A the whole game and then bragging about their KD in DOMINATION.

 
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Could you stop saying "nube" tube? It's noob tube, because noobs use them (supposedly, i prefer "pro pipe" ala Halo Reach).

It should never matter how, exactly, someone wins, as long as they're not breaking the established rules of the game. Don't complain about them talking about their kd when they camped A because it's definitely brag-worthy. You didn't stop them. They won. PLAY TO WIN applies to all competitive games, not just magic

I see no issue with OMA reloading tubes due to the fact that it takes 3/4/5/6 seconds of not being able to defend oneself to restock with OMA (depending on how many times you've used OMA this life and whether or not you have Pro), so even reloading two tubes is dangerous. Besides, I find tubes themselves to be too slow. I'd much rather have a UMP or Vector and run around, or set up somewhere with my Red Dot + FMJ FAMAS and go to town on their spawn (especially effective in Highrise and Wasteland).

UMP: "If I miss because you're running faster than expected, I'll just cross my aim and catch you in the head anyway."
Propipe: "If I miss, it takes me a few seconds to reload, and I'm probably dead."
FMJ Famas: "I'm killing you through a wall!...until my ammo runs dry."

I honestly don't get why there's no complaining about FMJ spawnkilling. It's like tubes are just demonized.

 

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