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Topic: Need a Ruling?.. Come on in... part 3... the never ending post
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Ragemonkey
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posted September 07, 2000 12:21 AM
 
Ok, I have 2 questions...I have a Story Circle white out and my opponent has quite a few of guys out. He disenchants my circle. i know I can put up prevention shields in response, but would they holdback his guys? im not sure because the circle would no longer be there. and 2nd, can you explain how misdirecting a counterspell to counter the misdirection works? i mean the misdirection has already resolved and off the stack right? alright thanks! __________________
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gzeiger
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posted September 07, 2000 11:18 AM
Sorry to ask a dumb question, but what is the rule on foreign cards in tournament play? Are they always legal?Also, I want to know how to play Meditate. The card reads "Skip your next turn: Draw four cards." Do I draw the cards when Meditate resolves, or after I have already skipped the turn?
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Aya Brea
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posted September 07, 2000 10:39 PM
Ragemonkey: 1. You can do Story Circle's ability in responce to the Disenchant. 2. I think your saying, "If a person plays a Misdirection on a Counterspell, can he counter the Misdirection with the Counterspell." If your saying that, then the answer is no, because the Misdirection has resolved.Gzeiger: 1. Foreign cards are legal. 2. You draw the four cards, and the skip your next turn. __________________
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Ragemonkey
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posted September 08, 2000 02:25 AM
Ok, another one(s)...If I have a Deranged Hermit and 4 of his friends with him out, and my opponent Earthquakes for 1, my Hermit will die but the Squirrels will not right? and can someone explain misdirecting a counterspell so it fizzles? thanks __________________
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Orinn
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posted September 08, 2000 03:32 AM
Referring to the Misdirected Pillage on page 9:
Why couldn't you Misdirect the Pillage from an artifact to a land? It's not a modal spell, it's a permanent- destruction spell with targeting restrictions. You could misdirect a Desert Twister from an artifact to a land, so why not the Pillage?I checked Oracle and D'Angelo, and it doesn't have the "Choose One" wording that D'Angelo says is important. __________________
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da-odd-templar
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posted September 08, 2000 09:05 PM
because, you have to choose artifact OR land upon declaration of the spell, so if you misdirect it, it has to still target the original type of target, not a new type of target.__________________
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Aya Brea
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posted September 08, 2000 09:16 PM
About Pillage, it has an or in the text, but if you read Twister, it says target permanent, which means it has a target__________________
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Orinn
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posted September 08, 2000 10:15 PM
Misdirection cannot change the Mode of modal spells. When Pillage is cast, barring any other effects, any land or artifact is a legal target for the only ability it has: Destroy target permanent. When Misdirection resolves, a new target is chosen. Nothing in the Oracle or D'Angelo suggests this is modal, but a restriction allowing pillage to target only 2 types of permanent. A modal spell, under Oracle wording, ALWAYS has the words "Choose one" in the rules text. Check the Oracle wording for Red Elemental Blast or any of the Mirage charms for the wording on a modal spell. I can misdirect a Disenchant from an artifact to an enchantment in the same way, and for the same reasons.__________________
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Goblin_Snowman
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posted September 09, 2000 02:43 PM
I heard of these ankh tide decks but someone in the deck discussion forum said ankh doesn't work. Do you lose life as a result of lands returning to play as result of parallax tide and an ankh of mishra in play?
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Alkiser
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posted September 10, 2000 11:45 AM
Can I play a Lion Eye Diamond, Play 3 Dark Rituals, Play a Yagmoth Bargin and Sac the diamond to pay for the rituals?
So I still have 3 black mana floating...?
Is this legal?
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JoeCopenhaver
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posted September 11, 2000 08:43 PM
i am in a 3 week tourny and i need a rule.Ok this is an instant death combo. he plays an aluren(it says"you may play creatures with total casting cost 3 or less for free and as an instant).then an furrious assult(the thing that says every time ou play a creature it deals 1 dammage to target player) then he plays a man o war.deals one to me,returns itself to his hand with the mano wars effect.And repeats untill you die.I want to know if you can target the man o war it self to return it back to your own hand LMK ASAP and plez email me i dont have time to check back.i need to know befor fri. __________________
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purplepat
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posted September 13, 2000 09:55 AM
OK, I think I know the answer to this, but I had to check with the official judge....I have an Auratog and a Seal of Strength in play. Auratog 1W 1/2 Sacrifice an enchantment:Auratog gets +2/+2 until end of turn. Seal of Strength G Sacrifice Seal of Strength:Target creature gets +3/+3 until end of turn. I think the ruling is that if I choose to sacrifice the Seal of Strength to the Auratog, the Auratog will only get +2/+2 and not +5/+5 (the +2/+2 Auratog effect plus the +3/+3 for sacrificing the Seal of Strength). Is this correct, or is there any way to get both bonuses?
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da-odd-templar
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posted September 13, 2000 02:07 PM
Ragemonkey-here's what happens:1.) earthquake cast, deals 1 damage to everything.
2.) hermit dies, squirrels live with 1 damage on them.
3.) then, squirrels become 1/1's via burning hermit, and lo and behold, they all have 1 damage on them...translation: all your squirrels are dead. JoeCopenhaver- yes, that is a legal play. Here is some errata. Text(VI+errata): 2/2. ; When ~this~ comes into play, return target creature to its owner's hand. [Oracle 99/07/01] It can choose itself. It has to if there are no other creatures. [Duelist Magazine #17, Page 30] Goblin Snowman-well, let's take a look on the errata wording for ankh: Text(5th/6th): Whenever a land comes into play, ~this~ deals 2 damage to that land's controller. Triggers on any land coming into play. This includes playing a land or putting a land into play using a spell or
ability. [D'Angelo 97/05/22]
Lands phasing in will not trigger this card (see Rule G.27.9). [Mirage, Page 2]
It determines the land's controller at the time the ability resolves. If the land leaves play before the ability resolves,
the land's last controller before it left is used. [D'Angelo 98/10/19] so yes, the land's controller would take damage from his/her land coming into play via tide. purplepat-you can only sacrifice the enchantment to one of the sources, either the auratog for +2/+2, or to sac it off to give +3/+3. For example, you couldn't pay 3 mana to activate 2 scrolls, could you? It's the same idea. message to coolio-im only answering questions i know, unlike some people, who guess for the fun of it. I am only trying to help you out, and the other people, because they sound urgent. thanx.
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banzi
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posted September 13, 2000 03:40 PM
Is legal, stupid or am I on the right track?I have a Rejuvination Chamber in play (Nemeis - Fading 2, Tap: Gain two life) I lay it down, say go.
Opponent's Turn ends. I tap it during his end step for two life.
Untap during my untap phase
Upkeep - remove one counter (one left)
Do whatever - say go
His turn - does whatever - he say's go.
During his end step, I tap it for two life
Untap, upkeep (zero counters)
Do whatever on my turen - say go.
His turn - does whatever, says go... here's the bit I am slightly stuck on. At the end of that last turn, I tap it for two life. Untap, upkeep... Am I right in saying that I can choose the order of my upkeep (I think it was on the Lvl 1 judge test I failed dismally)? If so can I.. Choose to put the fading trigger on the stack
In response, tap the chamber for two life
*Then* it gets sacked due to fading? Sorry for the strange way of putting it 
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Imagenyuss
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posted September 13, 2000 03:45 PM
my qustions (two of them) on page 10 still have not been answered. Could ANYONE answer them?__________________
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Harbinger_913
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posted September 13, 2000 03:47 PM
Hi, ok here it is:
I have a Bottle of Suleman in play. Can I tap more than one mana to use it before sacrifing it, or do i have to sacrifice it after i tap one mana. Also, if i can tap more than one, can i take 50 damage and then play reverse polarity and gain the 50 life without dying?__________________
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Phyrexian Negator
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posted September 13, 2000 07:18 PM
k, i think this is a dumb question but my friend believes he is correct. the turn you cast ball lighting, it dies, right? at the end of the VERY turn you play it? cause ball lighting says "at the end of any turn" so my friend thinks that it is at the end of any turn, like of his choice, or when it attacks or blocks. but unless ball lighting is played during someone elses turn, it will NEVER block, right?
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da-odd-templar
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posted September 13, 2000 08:47 PM
phyrexian negator-lets take a peek at the errata and wording for ball lightning...Text(5th+errata): 6/1, Trample, Haste. ; At end of turn, sacrifice ~this~. [Oracle 99/07/23] The creature is sacrificed at the end of every turn in which it is in play. There is no choice about what turn to sacrifice it.
[D'Angelo 98/06/05] so you see, your friend must kill it at the end the current turn, not his choice. Harbinger_913-the sacrifice is a cost to be paid, so you can't pay a sacrifice more than once...after all, you pay it once, and lo and behold, you check again, and it's in the graveyard. so, final answer: no, you can't pay lots of mana, and flip the coin repeatedly...however, if you had goblin bookie...  Aya Brea-no, he wouldn't be decked. Here's the current wording for Polymorph, with some errata. Text(6th+errata): Destroy target creature. It can't be regenerated. Its controller reveals cards from the top of his or her
library until he or she reveals a creature card. The player puts that card into play and shuffles all other cards revealed
this way into his or her library. [Oracle 00/02/01] If there are no creatures in the player's library, then the target creature is still destroyed, you see all the cards in that
player's library, and then they shuffle and continue play. [Duelist Magazine #16, Page 30] so you see, he can't be decked, because all the cards you reveal are shuffled back anyway. squee44-it all depends on the type of creature you have. If it's a viashino -esque creature, then the ability of returning to your hand only works if the creature is in play at the end of the turn. However, if you have a creature like squee out, then he's happy when he's in your graveyard, because he's going back next turn,  Imagenyuss- 1.) here's the current wording for the guards: Text(6th+errata): 2/5. {Tap}: All combat damage that would be dealt to you by unblocked creatures this turn is dealt to
~this~ instead. [Oracle 00/02/01] so, with that wording in mind, then if all the attackers were green, then you would want to cast cho manno pro. green, thus saving your guard and yourself from all the damage. 2.) Since the sacrifice ability belongs to the kaleidoscope, and not the individual prism tokens, then I would say no, if the kaleidoscope is gone, then the prisms are just 0/1's. However, if you play another kaleidoscope, then you can sac off the old Prism tokens to the new kaleidoscope, because it does not specify Prisms created by that one. coolio-just trying to help,
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flacosombroso
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posted September 14, 2000 03:07 PM
Hey!! Another question, this one's slightly more complex.
If my opponent has a Titania's Song out, and I play a Puffer Extract, will it have summoning sickness?? I'm not sure because i don't think artifacts have it, so as it resolves, it's an artifact, then it becomes a creature. Thanks in advance.
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da-odd-templar
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posted September 14, 2000 04:04 PM
flacosombroso-albeit summoning sickness affects only creatures, you must think of it like this: every creature has "This PERMANENT may attack or use abilities that require tapping as long as it has been in play under your control at the beginning of your turn" so, an artifact that turns into a creature still has summoning sickness, because the permanent has not been in play since the beginning of your turn yet. same reason that why you can't play a land, play animate land on it, then attack with it. __________________
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[Edited 3 times, lastly by da-odd-templar on September 15, 2000]
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Imagenyuss
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posted September 15, 2000 05:15 PM
if i could generate 0/1 prisom token with another card (not kalidoscope) could i still sac. the token to the scope?btw, coolio hasn't been on for a while now __________________
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datfat_1
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posted September 16, 2000 12:05 AM
okay If a creature has "can't be the target of spells or abilities" on it can you play an enchantment on it? I have called the "WOTC HOTLINE" and they said I could because the word "TARGET" is not written on the card. And I looked in the rules text at wotc online and it said a simular type thing and it confused me more what happens? Can you? or can't you? The people still do not believe it can happen.__________________
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Imagenyuss
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posted September 16, 2000 03:39 PM
there was an interesting question on one of the other posts:If a creature with regenerate has an enchantment on it and it dies and is regenrated then is the enchant creature still on it? some people said it goes to the grave others said it would stay on it as i would have never left play. __________________
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Excalaber2
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posted September 16, 2000 03:48 PM
Hi I Just Made A Deck Around Forsaken Wastes And I Am asking "Can I Play Invigorates And skyshroud Cutter's For free with Forsaken Wastes in PLay"
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Imagenyuss
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posted September 17, 2000 08:01 AM
finally someone with enough sence to build a deck around an Enchant World__________________
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