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Topic: Need a Ruling?.. Come on in... part 3... the never ending post
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Orinn
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posted July 02, 2000 11:37 PM
 
If i have a Reliquary monk in play, and I sacrifice it to a Renounce, when is the target declared for the trifggered effect? Is there a chance to Boomerang (for example) the enchantment I target with the Monk's ability?
Does lifeline's ability work when the creature sent to the graveyard is an animated artifact (Specifically, I'm thinking about Karn, Silver Golem and Powder Keg recurrence)
If I Flicker my opponent's Treachery, do I get my creature back, or does he keep it, and why? I've heard arguments both ways, and both seem reasonable.Hey, JuzamDjin, I made these hard on purpose. If you take a crack at them, enjoy the headache. I try to stump coolio, so I come up with off-the-wall stuff to ask. So far, he's been wrong ONCE in 3 posts, hundreds of replies, so he knows his stuff. Believe him when he posts an answer. __________________
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[Edited 1 times, lastly by Orinn on July 05, 2000]
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JuzamDjin
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posted July 03, 2000 04:41 AM
Orinn-
1)Please dont spell it JuzamDjinn its JuzamDjin!
2)When you sacrifice it to renounce it has to be exactly on the graveyard-not 1 inch above it- on top.then the reliquary monk's ability trigers and it goes on the stack.if you choose to boomerang an enchantment then,then its still legal.if you choose the enchantment that means the ability has already resolves and it is destroyed.
3)no if the artifact is "animated" it will only be a creature in play if it hits the graveyard then it is not considered a creature but an artifact in the graveyard.
4)Simple pimple! .If you flicker your opponent's treachery it helps him.he/she gets to untap 5 lands because it just came back into play.and it would get to be on a new target.i guess flicker is like enchantment alteration...
(ok so the 4th one the only thing im positive is your opponent gets to untap 5 lands)
hope i helped ya!
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purplepat
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posted July 03, 2000 06:18 AM
Coolio - sorry for the intrusion - but I would like to personally appeal to everyone that this particular post is for our local judges to post the correct answers to our questions. To have other members guessing or providing their own interpretations for these questions needlessly lengthens the post and creates confusion when the right answers are not given. Juzam, if you would like to "try" your hand at guessing more answers, please do most of us a favor and keep your guesses to yourself. You can make your guess and wait to see if your interpretation matches the "official" one posted here. Create your own separate post, if need be, to copy the questions from here and let everyone try their hand at them. Keep score if you want. Please don't ever volunteer to be a judge at one of the tournaments I play in  I realize some questions are so elementary that most experienced players can answer them with no problem. Nevertheless, I would ask everyone to let Coolio do his thing and let's keep this post free of all answers except his "official" ones. Thank you.
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JuzamDjin
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posted July 03, 2000 06:28 AM
hey purplepat or whatever your name is howsabout you mind your own beezwax??i got all of them right cept the bloodlust/scent of nightshade one and the fact that humble resolves on the treetop village in that other one.but other than that i think coolio had basically the same answers i had.mabey worded different.so purplepat you have no reason to say that and you have a reason to delete that.i know coolio's judging/rulking is "official" but in about 6 years mine will too!so there 
coolio however rufuses to answer my discard/ancestral questions!LoL
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coolio
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posted July 03, 2000 07:00 AM
hrmm seems I made a mistake to welcome ppl to help with answers.. I must retract that welcome.. and say.. leave it to me and Kevin.. pls..
yes others answer does lengthen the post.. and does cause confusion.. so pls.. leave it to me or kevin.. orinn: target is declared when the effect is put on the stack.. then checks again at time of resolution.
lifeline and karn and keg: yes.
flickering a treachery: well.. you get your creature back if you put it on something else.. if you stick it back onto you creature.. he keeps it If used on a local enchantment, the player who played Flicker can choose a new location for the local enchantment.
[bethmo 99/06/08]
secondly.. juzam.. controller of treachery doesnt get to untap lands.. true flicker triggers leaves play and enter play abilities.. however.. treachery has been errata'd to played from hand to work.. ©
[Edited 1 times, lastly by coolio on July 03, 2000]
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JuzamDjin
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posted July 03, 2000 07:22 AM
sorry coolio i didnt know that treachery got eratta'd sorry but are you sure about the lifeline/karn/powder keg thing?i read in inquest about something in that same idea__________________
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da_dude
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posted July 03, 2000 09:37 AM
I've asked before but didn't find an answer: What happens if I have a Glorious Anthem and a Pandemonium and I play a creature? Does the creature deal damage equal to its power +1 or just the power on the card?
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razor2sharp
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posted July 03, 2000 04:02 PM
Ok, what about this:Territorial dispute in play Can I use a Terrain generator to bring land into play?
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guenhwyvar
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posted July 03, 2000 04:42 PM
Da_dude: Power +1. A ruling along the lines of your question. . .
E.3.Ruling.4 - Continuous effects that will apply after the permanent is in play are applied before deciding which abilities do and do not trigger. Razor2Sharp: Territorial Dispute does not stop lands from being put into play by a spell or ability. It only stops players from taking the action of playing a land. [MM FAQ 99/09/22] So yes, you can play lands via terrain generator. Tedman: Presuming the person with the Senger Vampire is smart, 12 scryb sprites. During the first combat step you assign 1 damage each to 4 different sprites. That phase resolves, the 4 sprites go to the graveyard, and he gets +4/+4 making him an 8/8. Then 8 sprites would do 1 damage a piece to kill it.
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*Tedman*
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posted July 03, 2000 04:53 PM
Very good! You should make a fine judge.
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Yawgmoth's Lackey
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posted July 03, 2000 05:02 PM
Ok, I am trying to make a really annoying white deck Im just curious, If The Shahrazad game ends due to a divine Intervention does any life get lost?__________________
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Yawgmoth's Lackey
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posted July 03, 2000 08:40 PM
Also, In a group game, does everyone lose life but the winnner of the shahrazad game? Sorry if this seems a dumb question but I need to know ..__________________
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meblank
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posted July 03, 2000 09:03 PM
I was just wondering, what's faster: instants or abilities, or are they the same speed or which ones resolve first? I know I could think of more better questions, but I can think right now.....thanks__________________
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mkl
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posted July 03, 2000 09:31 PM
If I have a Skirge Familiar in play with about 10 cards in my graveyard, and no hand, and I cast Yawgmoth's Will can I discard the 10 cards to the Skirge for 10 Black mana?__________________
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guenhwyvar
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posted July 03, 2000 11:02 PM
Shahrazad: Text(AN+errata): Players play a subgame, using their libraries as their decks. Each player who doesn't win the subgame loses half of his or her life, rounded up. After the subgame, players shuffle their subgame decks and return them to their libraries. The subgame has no ante, and using less than the required number of cards is legal. [Oracle 99/09/03]So I guess by that wording, divine intervention would cause all players to lose half their life in the main game. This is due to the fact that no one won, so they all meet the lose-half-your-life trigger condition. Meblank: Instants can be played in response to abilities and abilites can be played in response to instants unless the card states otherwise *such as being played as a sorcery*. Hope that answers your question. Mkl: Nope. You can't discard cards that aren't actually in your hand. Will doesn't put cards in your hand, just lets you play them as if they were. __________________
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grez
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posted July 04, 2000 04:07 AM
ok i have a hidden gibbons in play, and whitemage over there disenchants it.
does it become a 4/4 creature or hit the grave?__________________
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swoll
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posted July 04, 2000 08:12 AM
if my opponent was playing straight green or whatever. and i gave my veteran bodyguard protection from that color could he attack for about 50 points of damage and my bodyguard live to see another day?
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Svenmonkey
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posted July 04, 2000 08:43 AM
If I play Pestilence, then use it for 1, and the opponent has a Deranged Hermit and 3 Squirrels, does the Hermit die, then the squirrels? Or do the squirrels live?
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guenhwyvar
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posted July 04, 2000 01:05 PM
Grez: The Gibbons will turn into a creature when the disenchant is announced, so by the time the disenchant resolves the gibbons is a creature and therefore unaffected.Swoll: One happy, and still breathing, bodyguard. Svenmonkey: Dead hermit and tokens since the damage would stick around until end of the turn. There was a similar question in the second post about hermit and ascendant evincar. Check that for all the technical explination if you still have questions. __________________
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Selvaxri
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posted July 04, 2000 03:10 PM
another Scent of Nightshade question:
my Polar Kraken is scented for 11 (casted two out of hand; -6/-6 from first, -5/-5 from second). If i use Bloodshot Cyclops, and fling the kraken. Will the cyclops deal 11 damage to my opponent or no damage is dealt due to the scent? lmk
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Raker
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posted July 04, 2000 03:47 PM
Ok say I'm at 1 life in a multiplayer chaos game and I have out a pestilince.
Can I use the the pestilinces ability in response to its ability?
So could I pestilence for 5 each in response to another?I know I would die from the first one...but would the other 4 work?OK also.....
If I have out a Goblin Festival
Can I use its ability in response to itself.
For Example can I pay 10 and use its ability 5 times each in response to another.
Then when the first one resolves say I lose the flip and my opponent gets it.Then do I flip again? Is it possible for me to get it back by flipping coins from when I activate it? Thanks Kevin and Morgan.
This post is great.
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meblank
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posted July 04, 2000 03:56 PM
I gots another question. In the game text of Arrest, what EXACTLY does activation cost mean? Say I slap one down on a Cateran Overlord, as I did today. Can they use its ability to sac a creature to regenerate? thanks.__________________
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Orinn
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posted July 05, 2000 01:46 AM
If i control a Mortuary and a Fecundity, can I draw the card from Fecundity before the mortuary topdecks the creature that just died?I have War Tax on the board. My opponent pays enough mana to allow a creature to attack, can I respond to that payment by using War Tax again, and are the effects cumulative (if I use war tax twice, does he have to spend the combined amount?) If there are no fading counters on a rejuvenation chamber, can i put its fading ability on the stack, then tap it for 2 life? __________________
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[Edited 1 times, lastly by Orinn on July 05, 2000]
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Ncromonitor
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posted July 05, 2000 02:12 AM
A few rules questions:1. The card Rupture: Is the sacrifice for this decided on announcement or resolution? What if I only have one creature in play, and in response to rupture my opponent snuffs out my creature? Does rupture do anything? 2. My opponent has Hidden Stag in play and I have played a land so it has become a creature. Can I target it with a hoodwink? 3. One of my opponents said I couldn't use my Blastoderm as food for Rupture because it was untargetable. Is this true?
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guenhwyvar
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posted July 05, 2000 03:06 AM
Selvaxri: Depends how they were resolved. If scent 2 was done in response to the first you could fling in response to the second scent and do 11 damage. But if they scented, you flung, then they did second scent, your kraken would do 11-5 = 6 damage.Raker: Again, no official rules for multiplayer but this is how I would run it. You pestilence a lot. The first one goes off, priority is checked, therefore state based effects are checked, you die, your cards get cleaned up and that's that. Goblin Festival: If you activate this multiple times in a row so the stack has more than one of this ability on it, the abilities will still resolve even if Goblin Festival leaves play or leaves your control before they resolve. For example, if you use the ability twice, and after the first flip you lose control of it because you lost the toss, or it leaves play because it is Disenchanted, then you still flip for the second ability. [Urza's Destiny FAQ 99/05/25] Meblank: Sacrificing a creature to regenerate it is an activated ability so it could not be used. Orinn: You could choose the order that mortuary and fecundity went on the stack. So you could draw either the creature or a new card. I suppose you could war tax in response to the old war tax. I don't see why it wouldn't be cumulative. Bear in mind thou that payment of war tax is declared at declaration of attackers and war tax does nothing once attackers have been declared. Rejuvination Chamber - No, since sacrifices don't go on the stack. Ncromonitor: Rupture - You declare and sacrifice the creature on announcement. There would be nothing to snuff out. Hidden Stag - Nope, it stops becoming an enchantment.
Blastoderm - Yes, this is very true. Untargetable applies to everyone.
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