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Imagenyuss
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posted October 22, 2000 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Imagenyuss   Click Here to Email Imagenyuss     
datfat- all his slivers get all the plusses if he has them in play but it they aren't then they don't get anything extra.

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posted October 22, 2000 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mkl   Click Here to Email mkl     
I have two questions:
1) Can story circle prevent damage dealt by a hurricane?
2) Can story circle prevent damage from a Blastoderm? ( It says he can't be the target of spells or abilities, but does it target the Blastoderm?)

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posted October 22, 2000 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fooath   Click Here to Email Fooath     
Does mana empty from pool at beginning of attack phase?


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posted October 23, 2000 06:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kyrenaud   Click Here to Email Kyrenaud     
Question on Chimeric Idol. If all of your lands are tapped can you just declare that you are tapping your lands and make it into a creature? Also if you tap your lands do you get man burn???


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posted October 23, 2000 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for guenhwyvar     
Goblin Snowman:

1) if i have a dual nature in play and A cast a kavu titan with the kicker does the copy get it too? Nope.
2) Can I use food chain to pay for a creatures kicker? Nope
+ A.20.Ruling.3 - You can only pay kicker costs when playing the spell from
your hand (or when playing it as though it were in your hand). You
cannot pay when the card is put into play directly.
[Invasion FAQ 00/10/03]
3) Why the heck does the kavu agressor have a kicker lol. - Because it makes it feel special.

datfat_1: Are you sure your opponent had a functioning brain stem? A card not in play has no effect on play.

MKL:

1) Can story circle prevent damage dealt by a hurricane? Yes, so long as you declared "green" when casting the Story Circle.
2) Can story circle prevent damage from a Blastoderm? ( It says he can't be the target of spells or abilities, but does it target the Blastoderm?) You can prevent the damage. Story circle doesn't target the blastoderm at all.

Fooath:

Does mana empty from pool at beginning of attack phase? Nope. It empties at the end of each phase, the Pre-Combat Main Phase in your example.

Kyrenaud:

Question on Chimeric Idol. If all of your lands are tapped can you just declare that you are tapping your lands and make it into a creature? Also if you tap your lands do you get man burn???: Chimeric Idol has this ability: {0}: Tap all lands you control. Chimeric Idol becomes a 3/3 artifact creature until end of turn. Tapping your lands is part of the effect, not the cost, and tapping already tapped lands isn't illegal. Since the land isn't tapped for mana, you don't get any mana from the lands and as such would not take burn.


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da-odd-templar
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posted October 23, 2000 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for da-odd-templar   Click Here to Email da-odd-templar     
this is probably very simple, but I have a question about living lands and cursed totem

if i have the living lands in play (or any other cards that makes all lands in play creatures) and i have cursed totem in play, does that mean that no lands can be tapped for mana?

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posted October 23, 2000 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DJ Loki   Click Here to Email DJ Loki     
Ok, I just played against a 2-card combo that didnt actually kill me but was annoying as hell. He doesn't even know if it's legal or not so I am posting here for an answer.

Paradigm Shift - You remove ur library from the game, your graveyard becomes ur library.
Rebound - Target spell targets another thing instead.

I also have another question, I was playing against a guy who played a morphling. I blocked it with my 5/5 flyer. During the block, he pumps it to a 5/1or2 and then pumps it up to a 0/6. Will the Morphling die? Thx.

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posted October 23, 2000 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Goblin_Snowman   Click Here to Email Goblin_Snowman     
thanks guenhwyvar


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posted October 24, 2000 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for caquaa   Click Here to Email caquaa     
da-odd-templar: You posted here for a second opinion so I guess I can't answer
Coolio or guenhwyvar: I guess I can't answer them all... this one is yours

BTW: Living lands only does forest, you need living planes... or that new natures revolt piece of &^#!@$%.

DJ Loki:
Paradigm Shift
Text(WL+errata): Remove all cards in your library from the game. Then shuffle your graveyard into your library. [Oracle 99/07/01]

Rebound
Text(SH+errata): Target spell that targets a single player targets another player instead. [Oracle 99/11/01]

You cannot use this on a spell unless the target spell uses the word "target" in its text. If the word "target" is not there, then the spell does not target a player at all. It just affects a player without targeting them. [D'Angelo 99/06/01]

Well from those card texts plus a ruling you can see it does not work. The shift does not have a target.


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posted October 24, 2000 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for da-odd-templar   Click Here to Email da-odd-templar     
DJ Loki-yes, the morphling lives, here's why:

1.) during damage assignment, he pumps it to a 5/1, so it deals 5 damage to the dragon, and the dragon deals 5 damage to the morphling.

2.) then during damage prevention (i think that's what it's called), he changes the morphling to a 0/6, so it lives and the dragon dies.

and to all the rule answerers, i wouldn't hae answered this normally, but caquaa forgot to answer it, so just telling him cuz im sure DJ Loki would like to know.

ps: i know the morphling combat damage trick is pretty mean...don't blame me...blame those stupid 6th edition rules change

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ILG4E999
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posted October 24, 2000 08:18 PM           
hey, in deck construction i saw the idea for conspiracy/donate, naming walls, and i was wondering if that works? my freind thinks it won't work because when it is played it is a creature that can attack.


guenhwyvar
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posted October 24, 2000 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for guenhwyvar     
ILG4E999: Conspiracy sets all creatures you control to walls, and wipes whatever creatyre type they were before. Donate gives conspiracy to your opponent, so all his creatures are walls. Walls cannot attack, therefore his creatures cannot attack.

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ILG4E999
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posted October 25, 2000 07:16 AM           
thats what i thought as well, but my friend said that because they were played as a creature and could attack they could still attack. (He not the best with the rules; that why i'm his friend (he wins the PTQ's and make sure he doesnt mess up))


ILG4E999
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posted October 25, 2000 11:42 AM           
almost forgot to say, since this post is full of judges anyone know where in the bay area i can go for judge training? Also, is there anyone else who is 14 and trying to be a judge? (also, my question earlier is not a show of un-knowningness of the rules, just my friend not knowing squat and not beleiveing me)


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posted October 25, 2000 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for caquaa   Click Here to Email caquaa     
da-odd-templar: Thank you for answering that, the mind must be going with old age (18, lol). The damage prevention left with 6th edition rules. Now the attack phase has the following steps:
1. Beginning of Combat
2. Declare Attackers
3. Declare Blockers
4. Combat Damage
5. End of Combat

C.1.Ruling.3 - The combat phase can be mapped in a longer form like this:
1. Triggers on "beginning of combat", then chance for instants.
2. Declare attackers.
3. Triggers on attack declaration, then chance for instants.
4. Declare blockers.
5. Triggers on block declaration, then chance for instants.
6. Assign combat damage (but don't deal it yet)
7. Chance for instants.
8. Deal combat damage.
9. Triggers on damage being dealt, then chance for instants.
10. Triggers on "end of combat", then chance for instants.

The morphling will deal 5 damage as long as it is made a 5/1 before #6 and will live if the toughness is made bigger before #8 (ie. during #7).

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posted October 25, 2000 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for proximity39   Click Here to Email proximity39     
Ok, here's a question. It's the beginning of my opponent's turn. He untaps his 4 mountains. I have an untapped Mishra's Helix, 4 forests and 2 llanwor elves. It's now his upkeep and I tap 2 forests and 2 elves and the helix and tap four of his mountains. He says in response he taps his 4 lands for 4 red mana. Can he doe this? If he can the card sucks...

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ILG4E999
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posted October 25, 2000 03:49 PM           
i can answer this one, and if you don't want me to coolio i am very sorry . I just need some practice.

Proximity39: Yes, he can do that, but the card does not suck like you think it does. This was done in his upkeep, before drawing and after untapping (duh). each one of those phases is, well, a phase. At the end of a phase if there is any mana left in your mana pool you take that much burn. So, if he adds four in response during his upkeep, that mana is in his upkeep. Since it is his upkeep, he can only spend it on instants and interrupts (or, these days only instants). Otherwise he would take the burn when he drew his card.

Edit: added the me in the first line

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posted October 25, 2000 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for da-odd-templar   Click Here to Email da-odd-templar     
caquaa-wow, i think you will fly on the judge exam

aw nuts, i miss the damage prevention step

stupid morphling...grr...

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posted October 26, 2000 02:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DJ Loki   Click Here to Email DJ Loki     
Hey, thx for screwing me up Templar (J/K :P). Thx Caquaa/Templar for clearing up the Shift and Morphling questions for me. NOW I see why that little b*st*rd is so good (Morphling) .

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posted October 26, 2000 02:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for guenhwyvar     
ILG4E999: Almost got it right. Actually the untap, upkeep, and draw are all steps of the beginning phase. The mana will stick around till the end of his draw step, that being the end of the beginning phase, so if he knows what he's getting then he might be able to tap the appropriate mana.

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posted October 26, 2000 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for guenhwyvar     
da-odd-templar: Living Lands + Cursed totem equals no mana from forests. All basic lands have mana abilities written as:

Tap: Add {color} to your mana pool.

This is an activated ability and thus shut down by cursed totem.

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posted October 26, 2000 06:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolio   Click Here to Email coolio     
quote:
Originally posted by ILG4E999:
almost forgot to say, since this post is full of judges anyone know where in the bay area i can go for judge training? Also, is there anyone else who is 14 and trying to be a judge? (also, my question earlier is not a show of un-knowningness of the rules, just my friend not knowing squat and not beleiveing me)

I actually know 13 yr olds who are working to be judges.. and kids who were certified since they were 13
for more info on judge certification.. visit www.wizards.com/dci there's a link on the side that says Judge Certification and Training.

you can look up the lvl 3 judges in your area and get in contact with them about getting certified.. and the test is nowhere as easy as you think it is.. the simplier questions on the test are some of the "hardest" to answer ones on the 4 posts so far

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posted October 26, 2000 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for caquaa   Click Here to Email caquaa     
quote:
Originally posted by coolio:
...and the test is nowhere as easy as you think it is.. the simplier questions on the test are some of the "hardest" to answer ones on the 4 posts so far
COuld you give some examples of these hard questions that will be asked on the lvl one test? I plan on getting certified, but I need to get a car (and drivers licence) so I can go to the bay area when ever I want to take the test, not just when my friends can take me. I would like to see how I could do on a lvl one certification rules questions... I still have to brush up on tournament penalties


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posted October 26, 2000 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolio   Click Here to Email coolio     
the online delphi tests can be found here http://www.wizards.com/dci/judge/jcfile.asp?jc19991222a

and http://www.wizards.com/dci/judge/jcfile.asp?jc20000707a

altho.. a few of the answers are wrong..

here's one from the delphi test..

(use current oracle wording for the cards mentioned)

your opponent bob casts duress on you..
you have a misdirection in your hand and another blue card.. is casting misdirection targetting the duress a legal play?

email me the answer caquua

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posted October 27, 2000 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ElvenTrader412   Click Here to Email ElvenTrader412     
ok i have one question,
say i have a nether spirit in play and a phyrexian altar, at the beggining of my upkee can i sacrifice the spirit more than once to gain more mana while it is still the beggining of my upkeep? because at the beggining of my upkeep if the spirit is in my graveyard it will come back to play, so will this work?


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