posted September 26, 2000 03:10 PM            

as always.. helpful links
www.wizards.com/dci www.crystalkeep.com/magic/rules/summaries.html www.wizards.com/oracle.asp

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posted September 26, 2000 03:14 PM            

so...what is it?

edit: FIRST POST BABY!!

posted September 26, 2000 05:05 PM            

1st if i have 3 living artifacts in play and get lightning bolted all three get counters right..i think so because the damage isnt assigned to add counters it just says when ever your delt damage

2nd does exploration let you play lands on your opponents turn?

3rd how does spirit mirror work with during your upkeep can i make one destroy it and the make another?

thanx for the help in advance

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posted September 27, 2000 01:51 PM            

da-odd-templar: Hmm... I dunno. If coolio doesn't get you an answer by tommorow morning I will look it up. I am sure I can find a rules quote in an hour I have spare.

fatman:
1.
LIVING ARTIFACT
Whenever you're dealt damage, for each 1 damage, put a vitality counter on Living Artifact.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may remove a vitality counter from Living Artifact. If you do, you gain 1 life.
It is nota replacement effect so every living artifact would get a counter.

2. Dunno if there has been an eratta but here is the oracle wording on exploration:
EXPLORATION
You may play an additional land each of your turns.
So I guess the answer to your question is no.

3.
SPIRIT MIRROR
At the beginning of your upkeep, if there are no Reflection tokens in play, put a 2/2 white Reflection creature token into play.
0: Destroy target Reflection.
The ability only triggers if there are no reflection tokens in play so you would have to destroy it before your upkeep step which would be on your opponents turn.
FYI: There is an enchantment in invasions that makes reflection tokens.. this may make a fun deck.

mkl:
YAWGMOTH'S WILL
Until end of turn, you may play cards in your graveyard as though they were in your hand.
If a card would be put into your graveyard this turn, remove that card from the game instead.
This card allows you to play cards as if they were in your hand. Cards discarded actaully have to come from your hand. You can't discard cards from your graveyard even w/ the will.

reinhart:
GIANT GROWTH
Target creature gets +3/+3 until end of turn.Since the effect lasts until end of turn it wears off during your opponents cleanup step were fast effects are not alowed.
What you are thinking of is "at end of turn" which is very different from "until end of turn" because at end of turn efects wear off during the end of turn step where players can play fast effects allowing a card which has an "at end of turn" effect to be played after the "at end of turn" effects have already been put on the stack. Since the "at end of turn" effects only trigger once then they have to wait until the next end of turn step which happens to be not until the next turn so you could do things like the waylay and thawing glacier.. that is why those cards have erattas

Well LMK how I did coolio. I am thinking of taking my lvl 1 judge test soon. Any advice you could give me or info about the test(s). LMK. Thanks.

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posted September 27, 2000 01:58 PM            

eg. I cast N.Affinity. I attack. I sac all my lands to Zuran orb. Do they come into play at the end of the turn?
Kung

posted September 28, 2000 01:45 PM            

WHen i tap norrit does that automatically bring them to the attack phase or does norrits ability mean that that creature must attack some time this turn?

I'm on the first page....

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posted September 28, 2000 02:36 PM            

Say I try to sac my Seal of Cleansing to kill a seal of cleansing, in response they disenchant my seal of cleansing. Can they do this? Is their seal alive?

Say I tap a Mom to give a creature Pro:Red. In response they shock the Mom. Does the creature get Pro:Red?

posted September 28, 2000 02:39 PM         

9430: If you have an unstable in play and cast the doppelganger than the unstable will gain the properties of the doppelganger, the ability to switch during your upkeep. It will then auto-switch every time a creature comes into play and CAN shift once during your upkeep. As for the vesuvan copying the unstable, the same thing will happen and the vesuvan will switch every time a new creature comes into play. This is becuase they are considered initial abilities, gained when the respective cards came into play.

posted September 28, 2000 03:24 PM            

Since I'm a moron, and this is my first time using these sorts of forums, I posted a new topic (doh) about rules changes. I sincerely apologize for that. But I would really like some answers to my rule questions, so I'd thought I'd "repost" my question in case anyone missed it.

Feel free to hit in me in the head if I ever say (or do) anything moronic. Heh.

-------------------------------------------Hey guys, what's up?
Anyway, I have a question regarding rules.

Let's say your playing a duel game, and your opponent cast Portcullis.

Card Name: Portcullis
Casting Cost: 4
Card Type: Artifact
Creature Type: N/A
Power: N/A
Toughness: N/A
Rules: Whenever any creature comes into play, if there are two or more other creatures in play, set that creature aside. If Portcullis leaves play, put the creature into play under its owner’s control.
Flavor:
Rarity: Rare
Artist: Kev Walker
Card Set: Stronghold
Card Version:
Color: Artifact

Okay, now that that is in play. I load my graveyard with creatures, and cast Living Death.

Card Name: Living Death
Casting Cost: 3BB
Card Type: Sorcery
Creature Type: N/A
Power: N/A
Toughness: N/A
Rules: Set aside all creature cards in all graveyards. Then, put each creature that is in play into its owner’s graveyard. Then, put each creature card set aside in this way into play under its owner’s control.
Flavor:
Rarity: Rare
Artist: Charles Gillespie
Card Set: Tempest
Card Version:
Color: Black

And let's say there were already 2 creatures in play. Do all the creatures come in, or do any of them come in at all?

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I also have another question.

I was playing at a locally sanctioned "ironman" tournament. The basis of the tournament was that at the end of each match (consisting of one game) each player gave his/her graveyard to the judge. If you even had one card left in your deck you still had to play the next game.

However..

One of my friends got screwed royally, I think. He was playing a blue deck and the blue player played Doomsday.

Card Name: Doomsday
Casting Cost: BBB
Card Type: Sorcery
Creature Type: N/A
Power: N/A
Toughness: N/A
Rules: Search your library and graveyard for five cards of your choice and remove the rest from the game. Put the chosen cards on top of your library in any order you choose. You lose half your life, rounded up.
Flavor:
Rarity: Rare
Artist: Adrian Smith
Card Set: Classic Sixth Edition
Card Version:
Color: Black

However, this blue player then casted Rebound on himself!

Card Name: Rebound
Casting Cost: 1U
Card Type: Interrupt
Creature Type: N/A
Power: N/A
Toughness: N/A
Rules: Target spell, which targets only a single player, targets another player of your choice instead.
Flavor: Insult, like an arrow, is beyond control once loosed.
Rarity:
Artist: Doug Chaffee
Card Set: Stronghold
Card Version:
Color: Blue

So the my friend had to suffer the effects of Doomsday.

The judge let it go by, but I didn't think you could Rebound yourself, OR Rebound Doomsday!

Any discussion, any answers, would be lovely.

Thank you for your time,

--Kyle Sheldon--
CoolDudeMan

posted September 28, 2000 03:28 PM            

I'll let you know sunday night..

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posted September 28, 2000 03:55 PM            

wow, i dont know if i should, but i feel special that my question got this far

yay yay go da-odd-templar

posted September 28, 2000 11:16 PM         

1) If multiple creatures come into play at once, due to Living Death for
example, then Portcullis will trigger on all of those creatures. The
player controlling Portcullis decides the order to resolve the Portcullis
triggers and therefore chooses which two creatures stay in play (assuming
that none were already in play... if some were already in play he might
not really get a choice). All the others get yanked by the Portcullis.
[D'Angelo 98/06/11]

2) No no no no no no no. You cannot target a player with rebound. You cannot target Doomsday with rebound since Doomsday does not target a player, it just says "you do this". The same goes for cards such as demonic consultation.

posted September 29, 2000 10:42 AM            

2) At one point The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale carried errata to the effect that creatures could not use activated abilities until their upkeeps had been paid. That led to a nasty combo with Living Plane that would destroy all the opponent's lands. I don't see this errata in the present Oracle. Did it become part of 6th Edition rules (which I admit I haven't read yet), or is it no longer there?
Also, I think that with a Living Plane in play, I can sacrifice the Tabernacle first and not owe any upkeeps on my other creatures. Is that right?

posted September 29, 2000 10:56 AM            

Do I?

posted September 29, 2000 12:04 PM            

A.23.Ruling.2 - Untargeted spells and abilities which do damage will assign damage to the creature, but that damage will be prevented by benefit number one so the damage is never actually dealt. For example, Pestilence cannot damage a White Knight. The ability is untargeted, but the damage is prevented. [D'Angelo 99/05/01]

GogettaEX: If you sacrifice your seal of cleansing it is no longer in play hence his disenchant has nothing to target. Thier seal dies unless they some how counter the ability... which I can't think of anything that does.

If your mom dies her ability is still on the stack. Removing the source of an ability does not stop the ability.

Thrash Golem: Ummm... you must be really tired, hehe
His final fortune resolves first.. allowing him an aditional turn after the surrent one.
Then your scepter's ability resolves allowing you a turn after this one.
Then his first final fortune resolves allowing him a turn after the current one so he gets the first turn after the current one. The you get a turn after his extra turn. Then he gets a turn after your extra turn and turn sequence follows as normal after that.
Note: The game is not not going to be over for sure since he can skip his final fortune turns with cards like cronotog or time vault.

gzeiger:
1. Mishra's factories cc is zero as a creature.
An Assembly Worker is considered to have a zero casting cost. [Duelist Magazine #5, Page 14]

2. Text(LG+errata): All creatures have "At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice this creature unless you pay {1}." [Oracle 99/09/03]
This upkeep cost is put on the stack. Paying the upkeep cost before using activated abilities was part of 5th edition rules, but is no longer in the 6th edition rules.
With a living plane in play you can not sac the tabernacle first because all upkeps are put on the stack before they are paid so the upkeep on the other lands is on the stack and will have to be paid. Again that was under 5th rules but is no longer in 6th rules.
Maybe you should take a little time to read the 6th rules

Psycho13: You have to pay for X with both mana and removing the cretures from the game.
"Do I?"
Yes.

I have done my good deed for the day... too bad I am not a boy scout, hehe.

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posted September 29, 2000 01:56 PM            

There's an identical green card in Invasion called Bind.

posted September 29, 2000 11:22 PM            

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