posted January 06, 2001 11:00 PM            

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posted January 07, 2001 06:04 PM            

BEEFED: I will see what I can find. Actually I will ask coolio, hehe.

Alkiser: Is everybody and his mother playing this deck?

If the top card in your graveyard is a creature, it comes into play as a copy of that card and will trigger any of its own (or others) comes into play abilities as appropriate. [D'Angelo 99/06/01] Any "comes into play with", "as ~this~ comes into play" or "before ~this~ comes into play effects will not happen, since those take place before the copying effect. [bethmo 99/07/27]

Text(MI+errata): 12/12, Trample. ; If ~this~ would come into play, sacrifice any number of creatures with total power 12 or greater instead. If you do, put ~this~ into play. If you don't, put it into its owner's graveyard. [Oracle 00/02/01]

You don't have to sac the creatures.

Jochen Cobussen:
Interesting. That is not the intention of the wording of the card, but it could be taken that way. It is only meant to be played where they don't untap for one turn.

Jochen Cobussen:
The players don't put mana into it, they put an ability on the stack. All of the abilities that were activated will resolve.

Imagenyuss:
T.10.8 - Each replacement effect gets only one opportunity to apply to each event. For example, a player controls two copies of a permanent with the ability "instead of dealing their normal damage, creatures you control deal double that damage." A creature that normally deals 1 damage will deal 4 damage, not just 2, and not an infinite amount. [CompRules 99/04/23]
For another example, if a creature has both Pariah and Treacherous Link on it, then there is no loop. The damage always ends up where it would have been if neither had been there. [D'Angelo 00/01/02]

totalgeno:
You do not take the extra turn imediatly. You take it after your current turn. Playing a final fortune in response to a spell will do nothing to keep you alive. You final fortune will resolve, then the shock/ stroke will resolve killing you.

If you flame rift and it kills you both, then it is a tie game. In a tournament you play best out of three games so that would count as one of the three games. "Best out of three" mean that who ever wins the most games means they win the match. A 1-0-2 for you would mean a victory.

Firestorm_Hellkite:
If the wall loses its ability when it leaves play then the creatures do not return to play.

Imagenyuss: Sure. This question has been asked many times and the answer has been "duals count as two basic land types and multi-colored creaures count as multipe creature types".

Drengar:
Taping a creature will not stop the effect from happening. When woe's ability is declared, it is put on the stack and the woe is tapped as part of the activation cost. If our opponent responds by tapping the woe, they tap an already tapped woe and that does not stop the ability. They must use bind or interdict to counter the ability.

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washburn1983: The creature will die before it deals damage if it doesn't hae first strike. Yup, it will kill the derm.

Thrash Golem:
The creature does get the +1/+1 counters. The effects are applied so that the creatures characteristics and counters go first. Then external effects go second so the creature is a 1/1 and has no abilities. The creature is a 1/1 w/ no abilities so it has no penalty to attack or block.

Solquest: That is a violation of the floor rules and you will be removed from the tournament.

coreycorey2000: You get to put the first one into play and it continues in turn order. When a person skips putting a permanent into play, then they do not get to put any more into play. The eureka ends when every one declines to put a permanent into play. You get to drop your whole hand

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posted January 07, 2001 08:40 PM            

Thanks for looking into it.
But I found a ruling on it in one of the judges of Denvers, Computer bank. So now the judges in Denver know the rules on this card.

Thay all were ruling that Desertion would gain the control.

But I do wonder if it's still a problem in a lot of area's? And If you can find a site on the net that a player with judging problems on this card could refer a judge to?

posted January 07, 2001 09:12 PM            

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posted January 07, 2001 11:20 PM            

Does the same penalty apply (being a 1/1 no matter how many +1/+1) if i put counters on it later, via Dragon Blood, or predatory hunger??

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posted January 07, 2001 11:43 PM            

fallenangel1021:
The "~this~ may enchant only a swamp" is a targeting restriction (see Rule K.12.6).Since it is a targeting restriction, it only checks when you cast the algae. I think the is a "neat" combo. Maybe good for a fun LD deck...

Thrash Golem: This is a very odd rule, but apearently the counters from dragon's blood would do nothing while humility is in play. Here is the ruling that would make me think that:
K.10.Ruling.1 - Because of Rule K.10.2, the current power/toughness of a creature is calculated like this: a) start with the initial value, b) apply any plusses and minuses from counters, c) apply plusses and minuses from other effects in the order in which those effects entered play (unless the ordering rules for continuous effect change this ordering). [CompRules 99/04/23]

K.10.2 - Counters on a creature are applied before applying any external effects. [CompRules 99/04/23]

Humility is a very stupid card. I belive that humility should have the same ruling that Shahrazad has:
No, this card is more annoying than you imagine :-(

Ruling straight from crystalkeep, lol.

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posted January 07, 2001 11:59 PM            

Can I use a misdirect on a counterspell and then target the counterspel to make the counterspell counterspell itself?

It's a kind of confusing predicament but a ruling on this would be great. Thanks for everyone's time!

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posted January 08, 2001 01:31 AM            

You may make the counterspell target the misdirection though. The misdirection will resolve, changing the target of counterspell to the misdirection. The counterspell will go to resolve and not have a legal target so it will "fizzel" (new term is be countered).

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posted January 08, 2001 07:57 AM         

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posted January 09, 2001 12:45 AM            

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Originally posted by caquaa:
[b]wallflower41: Sorry bout not answering, you posted while I was answering master.

The obliterate states it can not be countered. The nether void states it counters the spell if the 3 mana is not paid. You don't have to pay the extra mana for nether void, althought you can if you want to. Er... what are the arguements for the reverse of what I said???[/B]

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Thanks for the answer.
There was some dispute as to whether Nether Void had been errataed to read something like "spells cost 3 more to play" or something. I didn't think it had been, but to tell the truth, I wasn't certain, I haven't seen every errata there is.

posted January 09, 2001 12:55 AM            

wallflower41:
The current wording for Nether Void is:
Text(LG+errata): Whenever a player plays a spell, counter it unless its controller pays {3}. [Oracle 99/09/03]

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posted January 09, 2001 05:42 AM            

thanks anyway

posted January 09, 2001 12:01 PM            

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posted January 09, 2001 08:35 PM            

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posted January 10, 2001 12:03 AM            

Would this recheck its restriction upon resolution? So if a black card leaves play after it is announced its caster would get to choose one card not to pick up? Or is it just a targeting restriction checked once?

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posted January 10, 2001 03:34 AM            

adamisthebest: The set has no been released so i will not answer questions on it yet since the EXACT wording on all cards is not out yet.

plaguemaster: Your opponent gets to search your graveyard, hand, and library looking for squirle tokens and remove them from the game (of course they will not find any). There is no restriction on not being able to play/make any more squirle tokens.

Sorry, we don't do e-mails. Just bookmark this thread.

pacegal: How about these rules for you:

The state-based effects are: [CompRules 99/11/01]
a) A player with zero or less life loses the game.

G.20.1 - If both players lose the game at the same time or during the resolution of a single part/event of a spell or ability, the game ends in a draw. It does not matter if one player has a more negative life total. [CompRules 99/04/23]

The rule you were talking about refers to something different.

Don't be so quick to say I am wrong next time

LORD PHAT_DIABLO X:
G.37.3 - It does not matter if the permanent was a creature at the start of your most recent turn. You just had to control the permanent at that time. [D'Angelo 98/02/03] So if you animate a land or artifact (see Rule K.5) that you controlled at the start of the turn, then it is not subject to the effects of summoning sickness.

K.2.Ruling.1 - Because they are creatures, they are subject to creature restrictions such as being unable to attack unless they started your most recent turn in play under your control (see Rule G.37). [D'Angelo 98/02/03]

It has summoning sickness so it can not attack unless he happens to give it haste (ie: has has fires of yavamia in play)

Dark Prodigy:
Thanks for the link, but I go here to see what cards do because it always has the current errata on them

You do not get to pay the kicker for the next thicket elemental because you are not playing it. You can only pay kicker when you play the creature card, not when it comes into play via other means.

gzeiger: This one was easy. How bout a quote:
The count of the number of black permanents opponents control is done during announcement since it only affects target selection. It does not get recounted later. [Duelist Magazine #23, Page 23]

I like simple ones

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posted January 10, 2001 09:25 AM            

ILG4E999:This is what happens when Humility is in play...

When figuring out your creatures' abilities and power/toughness, apply all card effects in the order they entered play. Built-in abilities of a creature and any counters on the creature are applied first. Then, you apply all external effects in the order they entered play. The result of this is that any effects on the creatures' abilities or power/toughness in play before Humility enters play are completely overridden. But that any played after Humility enters play stay. [D'Angelo 97/12/01] For example, a Crusade is in play, then a Humility enters play. All your white creatures are 1/1. If Humility enters play, then Crusade, your white creatures are 2/2 (they become 1/1 then get +1/+1 in that order). See Rule K.10.Ruling.1.

K.10.2 - Counters on a creature are applied before applying any external effects. [CompRules 99/04/23]

K.10.Ruling.1 - Because of Rule K.10.2, the current power/toughness of a creature is calculated like this: a) start with the initial value, b) apply any plusses and minuses from counters, c) apply plusses and minuses from other effects in the order in which those effects entered play (unless the ordering rules for continuous effect change this ordering). [CompRules 99/04/23]
So the feeder would get its counters then the Humility's effect would happen making it a 1/1 with no abilities.