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Topic: Need a Ruling?.. Come on in!.. Pt. 6
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StriderHry
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posted April 10, 2001 05:37 PM
 
Okay let me put it this way.
You know when you tap your lands before you cast the spell right. And at that moment mana is in yoru pool. If you mana short them right then and there in response to them casting the spell waht happens?__________________
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Klarc
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posted April 10, 2001 05:41 PM
Tapping mana from lands cannot be responsed.
Sorry if I forgot to mention this last time.K __________________
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Inzane
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posted April 10, 2001 07:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by StriderHry:
Okay let me put it this way.
You know when you tap your lands before you cast the spell right. And at that moment mana is in yoru pool. If you mana short them right then and there in response to them casting the spell waht happens?
Okay, now I understand. Using a mana for a spell is also as quick as tapping for mana, in fact, there is no way to counter the usage of mana for a spell. Think of it this way, If I cast morphy, and he counters, I don't get the morphy mana back...that means mana is used into the morphy spell right away and that can't be countered.
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Renaud
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posted April 10, 2001 07:52 PM
1. If there is no blue or red creature to return from the graveyard, what happens when Crypt Angel comes into play? Can she even be played?2. Can you prevent Blasto-dammage with Kor Haven (it says prevent dammage from target creature)?
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trax72
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posted April 11, 2001 06:24 AM
Renaud: (1) In that case, the triggered coming-into-play ability won't even go on the stack since there's no legal target for it. It doesn't prevent you from playing Crypt Angel though, you can do that just fine.
(2) Nope, it's targetted so you can't use it on an attacking Blasto.
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O.D.T
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posted April 12, 2001 04:39 PM
Ok, we all know what drain life does, so here's the question.I have 2 charcoal Diamonds in play, and cast drain life for one black, since cost was reduced. For the (X) can i do 2 more dmg than usually because its a black spell, and the cost is actually colorless? or does it have no effect because i have to spend black mana for it? This info would be really helpful, because i use those in my black deck. And my red question: I use kavu recluse (with haste from Battle rampart) to turn one of my opponents islands to a forest during his upkeep. In response he taps that island, and another, to play counterspell. Can he do this? or does it turn green before he plays it?...I am lost sometimes when it comes to stack rules, and how it works. __________________
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Vegeta19
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posted April 12, 2001 05:02 PM
Okay I got one if my opponent plays a Shivan Wurm and returns a Llanowar elf to his hand. Now on his end phase I dominate his Shivan Wurm now would I have to return a red or green creature? I think not since the Shivan Wurm was already brought into play. LMK. Thanx.__________________
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Klarc
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posted April 12, 2001 06:52 PM
O.D.T: I think you mean Jet Medalion, because Charcoal Diamond produces B but doesn't reduce casting cost on spells...
And yes, answering your first question...
However, if you only tap B, you don't get any life... you do still have to spend B for the additional effects.And your second question: Yes your opponent can tap for U in response... however, I have no idea what he's trying to counter, though. Vegeta19: the wurm is already in play, so you don't have to return anything when it comes to your side. Hope I'm right K
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O.D.T
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posted April 12, 2001 08:56 PM
thx klarc...
and he was using counter on my Kavu, cuz it just came into play. i play kinda fast and things... get a little stuck on which effect first.
andways thx again, and i did mean the Jet Medallion.__________________
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This far down that line and still ain't got it right,
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bakerfam
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posted April 13, 2001 08:29 AM
I have a question regarding Erthquake and other cards which have each in their text.
ie. X Damage to EACH Creature and EACH player.
Dos this
a) kill untargetable creatures like blastoderm?
b) kill protection from red critters?
c) basically is it a global effect like wrath of god?thanks for your help Ben
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Arch-Zealot
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posted April 13, 2001 09:29 AM
quote:
Originally posted by bakerfam:
I have a question regarding Erthquake and other cards which have each in their text.
ie. X Damage to EACH Creature and EACH player.
Dos this
a) kill untargetable creatures like blastoderm?
b) kill protection from red critters?
c) basically is it a global effect like wrath of god?thanks for your help Ben
a) Yes, because it doesn't "target" the creature
b) I don't know about this one
c) Yes, it doesn't target anything and just deals damage all around. I have a question myself: Opposition + Static Orb Combo I don't get that combo. From some people I here you can untap all your stuff (Even if you have 5 permanents tapped) and the other player can't (Only 2). I don't get that, can someone answer this?
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Pandemonium
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posted April 13, 2001 09:38 AM
Earthquake does not kill pro-red creatures as it is a red source and all damage from red sources is reduced to nought. In this way it is comparable more to pestilence then wrath of god.
To Arch-Zealot - static orb reads
"As long as Static Orb is untapped, players can't untap more than two permanents during their untap steps."
At the end of your opponents turn you use opposistion to tap the static orb to allow you to untap all of your permanents.
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Skimo
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posted April 13, 2001 02:21 PM
Urza's Rage can't be countered by spells or abilities.But let's say my opponent play Urza's Rage and then I play a Misdirection on it. Can I then target my opponent with it? It's not countered, it's just "misdirected" please help
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trax72
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posted April 13, 2001 02:48 PM
Most stuff has been answered, but here's a correction:O.D.T: A Jet Medallion will reduce the X cost without you having to pay B for it. A ruling confirms this:
Cost reducers, such as Helm of Awakening can be used to reduce the X part of the mana cost. See Rule K.20.3. [WotC Rules Team 97/06/01]
Hmm, looks like it should refer to K.20.4 instead though ;-) Skimo: You can change the target of Urza's Rage just fine, Misdirection doesn't actually counter it (I've had this happen a few times against me aswell  )
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Mr. Ruboonia
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posted April 13, 2001 04:35 PM
2 ?'si have 2 nether spirits in my graveyard, do they both come back, one, or neither? i terminate a llanowar elf in response to my opponent tapping it for mana and playing a blastoderm. does the blastoderm fizzle because the llanowars mana is at the speed of an instant? please let me know ASAP
thanks
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Arch-Zealot
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posted April 13, 2001 06:12 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Ruboonia:
2 ?'si have 2 nether spirits in my graveyard, do they both come back, one, or neither? i terminate a llanowar elf in response to my opponent tapping it for mana and playing a blastoderm. does the blastoderm fizzle because the llanowars mana is at the speed of an instant? please let me know ASAP
thanks
1. No, you cannot not return any other the Nether Spirits. They have both the same name and are creatures thus none of them can return. 2. No the Blastoderm doesn't fizzle. All creature abilities are instants(most of them at least)so in response they can do that.
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Summon Matt
New Member
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posted April 13, 2001 10:28 PM
Hey guys,Easy one, Can I tap tangle wire as part of the effect without shutting it off for my oppenents turn?
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Arch-Zealot
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posted April 14, 2001 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by Summon Matt:
Hey guys,Easy one, Can I tap tangle wire as part of the effect without shutting it off for my oppenents turn?
Yes, it doesn't shut off the effect for your opponent's turn.
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Mr_Monstein
Member
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posted April 14, 2001 08:41 PM
if there is no other creature in play with gating, does the creature return itself to its hand, for example:
If sawtooth loon is played and no other creatures in play, can it be returned to its owners hand and still get the come into play ability?
thx
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Arch-Zealot
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posted April 15, 2001 06:21 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Mr_Monstein:
if there is no other creature in play with gating, does the creature return itself to its hand, for example:
If sawtooth loon is played and no other creatures in play, can it be returned to its owners hand and still get the come into play ability?thx
Yes, I think so.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Arch-Zealot on April 15, 2001]
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reinhart
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posted April 15, 2001 07:58 AM
what happens if there are no creatures in play and i cast shivan wurm? can you Snuff Out the wurm as soon as it comes into play, even if only for a split second?__________________
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