posted March 21, 2001 02:13 AM            

My opponent taps mana to play a creature.
Can I response with Orim's Chant to his/her
intention to cast that creature?
Well... more excactly.. when I response to that casting, does that creature come in to play
they go in same stack, right? And my Chant
resolves 1st? What happens to that creature?

posted March 21, 2001 07:50 AM            

If I play Orim's chant in response to a dark ritual, can the rituals mana be used to play another card?

I heard you can only be decked on your draw phase, is this true?

Trax72 Responded;
qijo: No, it can happen anytime, it's a statebased effect: 420.5a A player with 0 life or less or who was required to draw more cards than were in his or her library loses the game.

Is discarding from your library considered drawing?

posted March 21, 2001 09:44 AM            

another one: there is a card (I don't know it's name at the moment) that reads:
"Redirect al damage done to enchanted creature to it's controller (enchantment)"
What happens if I put that one on a creature together with a pariah?

posted March 21, 2001 11:30 AM         

Yes, Void will destroy token creatures:
You can choose zero. Token creatures have a converted mana cost of zero,
for example. [Invasion FAQ 00/10/03]

Note: There's an exception to this, for example tokens created by Dual Nature copy the mana cost aswell (see K.25.Ruling.6)

No. The Chant will resolve before the Ritual so that player will get 3 black mana in his/her manapool that can't be used to cast a spell.

S@nder: Yes, it's still combat damage, which will be prevented due to the Fog Bank's ability.

Found it!
Treacherous Link:
Info: Color=Black Type=Enchant Creature Cost=1B UL(U1)
Text(UL+errata): All damage that would be dealt to enchanted creature is
dealt to its controller instead. [Oracle 99/05/01]

They would cancel eachother out, basically. Each replacement ability is only apply once, so if damage is done to you that is first replaced by the damage being done to the creature and then replaced by it being done to you again. Similarly if damage is done to the creature.

posted March 21, 2001 05:09 PM            

Wash Out does none of those things, so it works

posted March 21, 2001 09:27 PM            

Vigorous Charge just gives your Elf trampple. He has to do one damage to the blocker, and the rest (1) may be assigned to the defending player if you want.

posted March 23, 2001 01:58 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by acid:

1. in big tournament (gp, nationals, pt or something), what would jugde do if someone cast
armadillo cloak to blurred mongoose and itīs in play... hmm lets say... few turns until someone
notices that.

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Assuming you did it unintentionally, you would most likely get a warning for misrepresentation. Generally, when some turns have passed after a player has made a mistake, it will not be corrected, because players have made decisions according to the current game state etc. But I am 100% sure that in this case, your Cloak would be put into graveyard. The life you have gained you can keep because you cannot track back the game.
Of course, it all depends on a judge. I would never recommend even trying your opponent and/or judges out this way! These kind of thing could be very easily ruled as cheating and you would be DQd.

Juss
Level 1 judge

posted March 23, 2001 06:25 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Trnothr:
Opponent attacks with Blastoderm and Jade Leech and plays Camouflage... What happens if I target other card with a Terror, it's put into a graveyard and is revealed as Blastoderm. Does it stay in graveyard? Or is it flipped over before going to graveyard? Does this result as part of the creatures attacking flipped and part not?
HELP!

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You sure are playing with some strange cards... The Blasto is not put into graveyard. When Terror resolves, it will check whether its target is legal or not. The creature is then flipper over again to see if it is legal target. Finding a Blastoderm, the Terror will be countered upon resolution.

The relevant part is bolded out below.

Camouflage:
Info: Color=Green Type=Instant Cost=G ABU(U1)
Text(ABU+errata): Turn your attacking creatures face down and arrange them
as you choose. After blockers are declared, turn the cards face up again.
Remove all illegal blocker from combat. Creatures blocked only by
illegal blockers are considered unblocked. [Oracle 99/09/03]
The blocking creatures are considered to have blocked the creatures they
blocked even if they are removed from combat. So abilities of both the
attackers and blockers that trigger on blocking will trigger.
[D'Angelo 00/03/03]
Can be cast when you have no creatures in play or no attacking creatures
since it does not say it needs to be played during an attack.
[bethmo 94/06/01] If so, it does nothing.
Does not give creatures which cannot block the ability to block, but it
does make any creature able to block ignore any characteristics of the
creatures they are blocking. [DeLaney 99/01/18]
Only the controller of the face down creature can look at it.
[D'Angelo 98/02/03]
At the time you announce a spell or ability that would target the
face down creature, the game rules consider the card to be a creature, but
do not know anything else about it. Upon resolution, however, the game
gets to know the "truth" and the spell may find that it is countered
because its targets are illegal. [PPG Page 57] For example, you can
target a black face down creature with Terror, but the spell will be
countered when it resolves.
At the time you announce blockers, the game rules consider the card
to be a creature but do not know anything else about it. After the
blockers are declared, however, the game gets to know the "truth" and
any illegal blocking assignments do not happen. The player cannot choose
a different blocking assignment for the illegal blockers.
[WotC Rules Team 95/11/10]
Any continuous effects (or Rule Effects) to face down creatures still take
effect. You must inform the other players of any relevant effects as soon
as those effects get checked. For example, a face down Goblin King
would require you to inform players that your Goblin can Mountainwalk as
soon as you use that ability. And to inform them that their Goblin is
a 2/2 creature as soon as there is a reason to check the Goblin's power or
toughness. [Aahz 97/12/01]
Only the creature is face down. Enchantments on it say face
up and counters on it are visible. [Duelist Magazine #11, Page 56]
Face down token creatures need not still be shown as tokens
in play. You can use cards to mark them so your opponent cannot tell them
apart. [WotC Rules Team 94/12/15]
If a blocking assignment is cancelled because it is illegal, no
abilities that trigger on blocking assignment will happen.
[D'Angelo 98/02/03]
A face down creature with Lure on it must be blocked by all of your
opponent's creatures even if you know that the block will be illegal
because the attacker has a Landwalk ability (see Rule A.22) or some other
evasion ability (see Rule A.13). [D'Angelo 95/11/21]
If a copy card like Clone is used to copy a face down creature, you do
not tell that player anything about their creature until there is a need
to know. [bethmo 94/04/01]
If you have a face down Legend (see Rule K.17) in play and
a duplicate Legend is brought into play, you must inform them and have
the duplicate buried. [WotC Rules Team 94/12/15]
Extended tournaments (see Rule D.15) have always banned this card.

posted March 23, 2001 03:39 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by gzeiger:
He takes 1 damage. Why would it be 2

Vigorous Charge just gives your Elf trampple. He has to do one damage to the blocker, and the rest (1) may be assigned to the defending player if you want.

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Elvish Archer 1G
Summon Elf 2/1
First Strike

i attack with it, he blocks with a 1/1. I cast vigorous charge on it (giving it trample). The first strike ability kills the creature right off the bat, the trample damage kicks in and since there is no creature to direct the 2 points damage to, i'd assume it would go to my opponent.
can someone please clarify this!
COOLIO!

posted March 24, 2001 04:07 AM            

1. If a 3/3 creature gets and enchantment on it that reads: enchanted creature gets -3/-3, it's not dead (that's what he says)

2. A Enchant Land card is a enchantment and a land.

posted March 24, 2001 05:36 AM         

Selvaxri: After Vigorous Charge resolves, you have a 2/1 first strike trampling creature blocked by a vanilla 1/1. In the combat damage step for first strike damage, you'll have to apply the rules for trampling when assigning damage. Meaning that you can assign 1 damage to the 1/1 and 1 to the defending player. Trampling just modifies the rules for assigning combat damage when attacking, the fact that the creature also has first strike doesn't matter.

Goblin_Snowman: He temporarily has control of your Nightscape Familiar, but he does -not- have control of the enchantments on the Familiar. The controller of the Cloak gains the life, which is you. So unless that attack killed you before the lifegain from the Cloak triggers, the attack was pretty much useless.

posted March 24, 2001 10:16 AM         

YAVIMAYA ENCHANTRESS
2G
Creature - Druid
2/2
Yavimaya Enchantress gets +1/+1 for each enchantment in play.

posted March 24, 2001 12:31 PM            

Secondly, If i have a furnace of rath and a repercussion and then i play a lightning bolt on an opponent creature, how much damage does that do to the player? 6 damage or 6 damage then 2x more for a total of 12 from the repercussion?

posted March 24, 2001 04:13 PM            

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posted March 24, 2001 06:07 PM            

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posted March 25, 2001 07:14 AM         

pipeclaysh: If your opponent played a Shivan Wurm without having any other creatures in play that satisfy the Wurm's triggered gating ability, he/she would have had to return the Wurm itself since that is "a red or green creature" to return. It wouldn't have gone to the graveyard.

SauronDL69: Tapping or untapping a creature doesn't remove it from combat, so yes, the attack still happens. Tapping a creature is a cost for attacking creatures (unless they have an ability that says they don't have to tap to attack), but untapping afterwards does not mean they're no longer attacking.

StriderHry: Yes, the counters stay on:

G.8.5 - Counters remain on a permanent even if they currently do not apply.
[CompRules 99/04/23] For example, if a Mishra's Factory gets a +1/+1
counter while it is a creature, the counter will remain when it turns back
into a land, and it will still be there if it later turns back into a
creature. Similarly, a Licid will keep a +1/+1 counter even while it is
in enchantment form.