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Hypnotic
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posted February 24, 2001 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hypnotic   Click Here to Email Hypnotic     
come on coolio, i really need an answer, if i do a fork on a urza's rage, can the fork be countered? Please answer me on my topic (name of the topic is the question) or at least by e-mail. Thanx a lot!!


reinhart
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posted February 25, 2001 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for reinhart     
Can I Disenchant or cast Tranquility on Hidden Gibbons?

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posted February 25, 2001 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selvaxri   Click Here to Email Selvaxri     
1> does trample damage go through blocked creatures?
2> my opponent attacks and my life is at 0, when the damage go through, can i use Hero's Reunion (or other life-gainer) to stay alive?
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I'm at 1, my opponents at 3.

I earthqukae for 3...what happens?

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posted February 25, 2001 06:17 PM           
Coolio, I am just looking for a ruling with Orim's Chant. I am not sure if anyone has asked this and I am sorry if someone already has but with Orim's Chant, can I do it in response to your attack with kicker, leaving your creatures tapped and unable to block or do I have to do it in response to attackers and therefore they will be untaped. My friend told me that in a draft someone was going to win when he attacked and his opponent chanted him with kicker and then on his opponents turn he just attacked for the win. Thanx for any help you can give me.

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posted February 26, 2001 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Llan   Click Here to Email Llan     
quote:
Originally posted by Hypnotic:
come on coolio, i really need an answer, if i do a fork on a urza's rage, can the fork be countered? Please answer me on my topic (name of the topic is the question) or at least by e-mail. Thanx a lot!!

Let me quote the Meridian Magic Q&A and L3 judge Michael Kastberg here:

Q: If I fork an Urza's Rage, is the fork uncounterable?
A: Yes. Urza’s Rage effecttively says ” ~this~ can't be countered by spells or abilities”. Fork copies that

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Juss
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posted February 26, 2001 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Juss   Click Here to Email Juss     
quote:
Originally posted by reinhart:
Can I Disenchant or cast Tranquility on Hidden Gibbons?

An advice: read the Oracle.

Hidden Gibbons
Color=Green Type=Enchantment Cost=G UL(R1)
Text(UL+errata): When an opponent plays an instant spell, if ~this~ is an enchantment, ~this~ becomes a 4/4 Ape creature. [Oracle 99/05/01]

When it turns into a creature, it no longer counts as an enchantment. [Urza's Saga Rule Page]
It changes into a creature even if the spell is countered. [D'Angelo 99/05/01]
It becomes a creature when the spell is played (which means announced), which is before the spell resolves. A Disenchant cannot be used to destroy this card, since it will no longer be an enchantment when the Disenchant resolves. [D'Angelo 99/02/13]

So the answers to your questions are: you can cast Disenchant on Gibbons, but it will be countered upon resolution because the Gibbons is no longer an enchantment. Disenchant does not kill Hidden Gibbons.

Tranquility, however, is a sorcery and therefore takes down the Gibbons, unless some instant is played before Tranquility resolves.

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posted February 26, 2001 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gaea's Cradle   Click Here to Email Gaea's Cradle     
Joke Over

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Gaea's Cradle: it was nice knowing you. No wait, no it wasn't!

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posted February 26, 2001 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Goaswerfraiejen   Click Here to Email Goaswerfraiejen     
quote:
Originally posted by Gaea's Cradle:


ALL RIGHT!!! What the HELL are you referring to, or are you intentionaly being an *** ? Do you even realize what you are doing?!? You are picking on MODS AND WILL SOON BE KARMA SMACKED. What is the point of your idiotic posts? I DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!

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posted February 26, 2001 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Inzane   Click Here to Email Inzane     
quote:
Originally posted by Inzane:
1) If I cast a boomerang, and he casts orim's chant in response, does the boomerang resolve? (I think it does)

2) If I use my mother of runes to give a creature pro-black, and in response, he terrors the mother of runes, does the pro-black go through after the mother is dead?


Can someone plz answer my question


monty
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posted February 26, 2001 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for monty   Click Here to Email monty     
quote:
Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen:
ALL RIGHT!!! What the HELL are you referring to, or are you intentionaly being an *** ? Do you even realize what you are doing?!? You are picking on MODS AND WILL SOON BE KARMA SMACKED. What is the point of your idiotic posts? I DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!


Goas, it is obvious he is just being an idiot. I think you can TRY to understand that. Please stop going around posting that you don't understand. It is MAD annoying(if you really don't understand, just pretend you don't look stupid)

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William888
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posted February 26, 2001 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for William888   Click Here to Email William888     
hi! very tough question:

Can I have pariah and treacherous link on the same creature? What will happen if I do put both of them on the same creature?

(Pariah says all damage dealt you gets redirected to enchanted creature)

(Treacherous link says all damage dealt to enchanted creature gets redirected to you)

Juss
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posted February 27, 2001 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Juss   Click Here to Email Juss     
To: Inzane

1) Adding a kickered Orim´s Chant on stack as a response to Boomerang will not stop Boomerang from resolving. It will prevent spells from being played after it has resolved.

2) Removing the source of an ability does not stop the ability. Ability exists independently of its source once put on stack, so Terroring a Mother of Runes would do nothing to the prot: black it would give.

It will work both way -- if someone responds with a Terror to your MoR ability or if you use MoR in response to a Terror. The latter is actually strategically correct way of using Mother of Runes. Most of the time.

Keep in mind that you will choose the color of MoR protection ability during the resolution, not the announcement. You will choose a target during announcement.

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Juss
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posted February 27, 2001 04:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Juss   Click Here to Email Juss     
quote:
Originally posted by William888:
hi! very tough question:

Can I have pariah and treacherous link on the same creature? What will happen if I do put both of them on the same creature?

(Pariah says all damage dealt you gets redirected to enchanted creature)

(Treacherous link says all damage dealt to enchanted creature gets redirected to you)


You sure can have them on the same creature. Maybe Oracle will answer your question:
T.10.8 - Each replacement effect gets only one opportunity to apply to each
event. For example, a player controls two copies of a permanent with the
ability "instead of dealing their normal damage, creatures you control
deal double that damage." A creature that normally deals 1 damage will
deal 4 damage, not just 2, and not an infinite amount.
[CompRules 99/04/23] For another example, if a creature has both
Pariah and Treacherous Link on it, then there is no loop. The
damage always ends up where it would have been if neither had been there.
[D'Angelo 00/01/02]

It works like this:
You are dealt damage. Pariah will apply and redirect damage to enchanted creature. Then Treacherous Link will apply and redirect damage back to you. Since Pariah has already done its job on this damage source, it will not redirect this damage again.
or
Your creature is dealt damage. T. Link redirects it to you, Pariah redirects it to the creature.

I hope that makes it more clear. I can quote more rules, but I suggest you to read sections G.12 and T.10 from Oracle General Rulings summary.

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purplepat
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posted February 27, 2001 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for purplepat   Click Here to Email purplepat     
Hey Coolman - here's an easy one for you....

Say I've got Zirlian of the Claw in play and use its ability to bring a Dragon into play. After my attack and damage is dealt, if I have a way to bounce the summoned dragon back to my hand before the end of turn step begins, can I avoid the Zirlian's effect of having to remove the summoned dragon from the game? If this works, how "late" can I bounce the dragon without having to remove it from the game?

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posted February 27, 2001 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for reinhart     
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Tranquility, however, is a sorcery and therefore takes down the Gibbons, unless some instant is played before Tranquility resolves.

How is that? The gibbons is a creature when the tranquility resolves, right?

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Zahmet
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posted February 27, 2001 06:23 AM           
Does karma do 1 point of dmg. many times or does it do alot of dmg. at once ??

Ex. if I have 5 swamps in play and a karma is in play do I take 1 dmg 5 times or do I take 5 dmg at once ?


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posted February 28, 2001 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Juss   Click Here to Email Juss     
quote:
Originally posted by reinhart:
How is that? The gibbons is a creature when the tranquility resolves, right?


Hidden Gibbons
Color=Green Type=Enchantment Cost=G UL(R1)
Text(UL+errata): When an opponent plays an instant spell, if ~this~ is an enchantment, ~this~ becomes a 4/4 Ape creature. [Oracle 99/05/01]
When it turns into a creature, it no longer counts as an enchantment. [Urza's Saga Rule Page]
It changes into a creature even if the spell is countered. [D'Angelo 99/05/01]
It becomes a creature when the spell is played (which means announced), which is before the spell resolves. A Disenchant cannot be used to destroy this card, since it will no longer be an enchantment when the Disenchant resolves. [D'Angelo 99/02/13]
Note - All cards of type interrupt have errata to be of type instant.

Tranquility is a sorcery. Hidden Gibbons turns into a creature when an instant spell is played by an opponent.

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Juss
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posted February 28, 2001 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Juss   Click Here to Email Juss     
quote:
Originally posted by purplepat:
Hey Coolman - here's an easy one for you....


Say I've got Zirlian of the Claw in play and use its ability to bring a Dragon into play. After my attack and damage is dealt, if I have a way to bounce the summoned dragon back to my hand before the end of turn step begins, can I avoid the Zirlian's effect of having to remove the summoned dragon from the game? If this works, how "late" can I bounce the dragon without having to remove it from the game?


Zirilan of the Claw
Color=Red Type=Creature - Legend Cost=3RR MI(R1)
Text(MI+errata): 3/4 ; {1}{R}{R},{Tap}: Search your library for a Dragon card and put that card into play. Then shuffle your library. That Dragon gains haste until end of turn. At end of turn, remove it from the game. [Oracle 99/07/01]
If the Dragon is brought into play and then phases out, the "At end of turn remove it from the game" will be forgotten. [D'Angelo 98/10/30]
Note - Also see Haste, Rule A.18.

The Dragon will be removed from the game only if it is in play when the Claw's "remove" ability resolves. Bouncing would be a good idea, your idea works. Claw has an ability which triggers "at the end of turn", that means, when End of Turn step begins. The ability is put on stack and you should bounce your Dragon before it resolves. So the answer to your question is that the End of Turns step is "late enough" to bounce, just be careful with passing priority.

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Juss
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posted February 28, 2001 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Juss   Click Here to Email Juss     
quote:
Originally posted by Zahmet:
Does karma do 1 point of dmg. many times or does it do alot of dmg. at once ??


Ex. if I have 5 swamps in play and a karma is in play do I take 1 dmg 5 times or do I take 5 dmg at once ?


Karma
Color=White Type=Enchantment Cost=2WW ABUR45(U1)
Text(5th+errata): At the beginning of each player's upkeep, ~this~ deals to that player damage equal to the number of swamps he or she controls. [Oracle 00/02/01]
Amount of damage is determined in when effect is resolved and not when it is placed on the stack. [D'Angelo 95/10/05]


You will take alot of damage at once, the amount being equal to the number of swamps you control when Karma's ability resolves. In your example, you will take 5 damage, _not_ 1+1+1+1+1, and you can use for example CoP: White only once to prevent all that damage.

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posted February 28, 2001 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vegeta19   Click Here to Email Vegeta19     
If I play a Kavu Chameleon and my opponent plays Undermine do I still lose 3 life even though the spell would fizzle since Kavu Chameleon can't be countered?

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~ A.10.Ruling.5 - This ability is put on the stack (see Rule T.2) at the beginning of upkeep. If the permanent leaves play before this ability resolves, you still have to resolve it. Of course, you can just decide not to pay and there will be nothing to sacrifice. But you can also choose to pay if you really want to. [D'Angelo 99/05/01]
A.10.Ruling.6 - If the cumulative upkeep cost somehow changes between the time the ability is placed on the stack and when it resolves, use the cost at the time it was put on the stack. [DeLaney 00/01/13] ~

These are both Ruleing taken straight off of Krystal Keep... I was recently playing in a torny, and had a Illusions Donated to me (With 2 as the *** . Upkeep)... I wanted to stack the upkeep, then pay 2. But, my opponent told me I was wrong, and also stalling... So, I lose, even though I did not even finish my upkeep, because my opponent was repeatly telling me I was wrong, and stalling, and was also running it.. I think I was correct, and definantly not stalling.

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posted February 28, 2001 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gzeiger   Click Here to Email gzeiger     
I'm confused... You were trying to pay the mana for the upkeep before putting the upkeep counter on it? You can't do that - cumulative upkeep is all one effect. It counts the turn and then asks you to pay the upkeep all at the same time.


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posted February 28, 2001 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wwTOOLww   Click Here to Email wwTOOLww     
question about trample:

if i attack with a 10/10 trample, and my opponent blocks with 2 5/5 can i assign all damage to one, thus trample over and hit them for 5?

also, if i attack with my red 10/10 trample and someone blocks with a pro red 1/1 does he take the 9 or no??????

thanks

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