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Topic: Need a Ruling?.. Come on in!.. Pt. 6
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coolio
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posted February 08, 2001 05:56 PM
 
thanks once again to caquaa and guenhwyvar who've helped.. and to the others who've given a hand on the way..props to you guys.. with the start of this new topic.. I ask that those who have simple questions to PLEASE PLEASE post here as a last resort.. most of your answers can be found at www.wizards.com/dci/oracle.asp (this is the oracle with specific card wordings..) www.crystalkeep.com/magic/rules/summaries.html (this is where all the card specific rules are.. all updated except for planeshift at the time I'm posting this..)
and your simple 6th edition rule book..
or if you dont know where that is.. you can always find the rulebook and universial tournament rules here: www.wizards.com/dci/utr_intro.asp or.. you could even search for the card you have a question on in noteworthy topics and find your answer there as I'm sure the more questioned cards have already had questions and answers given on them © __________________
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Master
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posted February 08, 2001 06:00 PM
i have a shifting sky - green. my opponent has a pro-green creature in play and i try to enchant it with a sleeping potion (blue)
now, i say that the enchantment comes into play, taps the creature and then slides off. now he says it just slides off and does nothing because of pro-green. what happens..
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grey-elf
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posted February 08, 2001 06:20 PM
I cast a gating creature which is the only creature in play, so I return it back to my hand, but my opponent cast terminate as resoponse, does it kill my creature?I think it soesn't because as the creature comes into play, it is immediately return to my hand as part of the spell, the terminate will fizzle for no legal target. Am I right?
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Aya Brea
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posted February 08, 2001 06:32 PM
Ok, I'm playing against a CounterOath deck. I have one creature out and my opponent has two Oath of Druids out. He use the first Oath and get a Spike Feeder, now he sacs the Feeder to gain 4 life. May he use the second Oath to search again, or he can't use the second Oath to search again.Also, people at PTQ Tokyo told me that you can use Pyroblast to destroy Illusions of Grandular before the life gain goes on the stack. Can you please tell me that you can't do it???
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[Edited 1 times, lastly by Aya Brea on February 08, 2001]
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mageta,the lion_00
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posted February 08, 2001 08:11 PM
I jus wanna know how you get that lil Copyright c thing at the bottom of your posts?__________________
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killjoy72
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posted February 08, 2001 10:51 PM
Aya Brea: Coolio already made a ruling on the second question here http://www.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/007823.html
[Edited 1 times, lastly by killjoy72 on February 09, 2001]
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Llan
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posted February 09, 2001 02:41 AM
Hmmm...for the new post, I´ve decided to try my luck at answering some questions. If I´m wrong too many times, I´ll let it be, but I´ll try, hope that´s ok.
Here´s what I know so far:grey-elf:
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I cast a gating creature which is the only creature in play, so I return it back to my hand, but my opponent cast terminate as resoponse, does it kill my creature?
I think it soesn't because as the creature comes into play, it is immediately return to my hand as part of the spell, the terminate will fizzle for no legal target. Am I right?
No, the return-to-hand effect is put on the stack. So it can be terminated!
Aya Brea
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Ok, I'm playing against a CounterOath deck. I have one creature out and my opponent has two Oath of Druids out. He use the first Oath and get a Spike Feeder, now he sacs the Feeder to gain 4 life. May he use the second Oath to search again, or he can't use the second Oath to search again.
He can activate the Oath two times because they are activated both before he searches for the first creature!? He couldn´t choose to activate the second one after he sacrificed, because the Oath effect goes on the stack at the beginning of your upkeep and not after you searched somehting, thus used Oath 1 already! I hope I could help...
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*Tedman*
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posted February 09, 2001 10:37 AM
I have an Overabundance in play, and my opponent has a Story Circle for Red in play. They tap a Plains, and try to use one of their White mana to prevent the damage from Overabundance, and use the other White mana to do something else. Is that legal?__________________
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Bart_Simpson
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posted February 09, 2001 12:14 PM
can you recall, for cards youve discarded as part of its cast?lmk
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moxdiamd
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posted February 09, 2001 01:13 PM
With a "furnace of rath"(double all damage assigned to any creature or player) and a bunch of redirecting en-kor. Does the damage double each time its re-directed? Example: I have three re-directing en-kor out. One gets shocked for 2, I re-direct the damage to another for 4 if I re-direct again will it be 8 and so on...?
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Dragon Keeper
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posted February 09, 2001 03:56 PM
1. Can a reverse damge be used against a blastoderm?2. eg. I play ball lightning, he uses a rewind, but in response I play a lightning bolt. Does he still get to untap the lands from rewind and use thoe lands to counter the lightning bolt? Thanks for your time. __________________
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Dragon Keeper
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posted February 09, 2001 05:03 PM
oops, I forgot:
1. If I activate a creature to block (ie. Mishra's Factory, legacy lands, chimeric idol,etc.) can my opponent remove/destroy/burn it before it blocks? If they can't do that would there creature that is blocked take damage on the stack if the creature is taken out? Please LMK, Thanks, Craig.__________________
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Morphish Cat
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posted February 09, 2001 05:07 PM
I have no idea how Temporal Aperture works, does it go well in a casual fires? Does the card stay in play if you play it or do you draw it next turn?
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Trnothr
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posted February 10, 2001 05:11 PM
I want to know how Buyback and Kicker costs are added to spells converted mana cost. You can Prohibit kickered Kavu Titan, right? But do familiars reduce kicker/buyback costs? If they do, how so?
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Aya Brea
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posted February 10, 2001 06:25 PM
Llan, I don't think you are right. I checked at [urlwww.crystalkeep.com[/url] and looked at the Oath of Druids, and here's what it had to sayThe check for the number of creatures in play is made at the beginning of upkeep and this ability does not trigger if the condition is not met. The condition is also checked on resolution and the ability does nothing if it is not still true. [D'Angelo 99/06/01] __________________
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Aya Brea
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posted February 10, 2001 07:03 PM
Master: My good friend, here's what happens. The spell is blue, and is being casted on the creature. The creature will tap, and then slide off, since it has come into play already.*Tedman*: Yes he can, since the lands are not dealing the damage, but the Overabundance is the one dealing damage. Bart_Simpson: I believe you can, since you have to discard first, then return cards to your hand moxdiamd: Here's the card Text(TE+errata): If a source would deal damage to a creature or player, it deals double that damage to that creature or player instead. [Oracle 99/07/21] When you redirect, it is not dealing damage, so only the two damage will stay as two damage, and not multiply everytime Dragon Keeper: 1. Yes you can, since is not dealing with a target, but a choice. The same ruling is put on the Gating ability, where the card does not say anything about having a target. 2. No he can't, since you are doing it in responce to the Rewind, and the Rewind has not resolved yet. 3. The activated creature will do no damage to the attacking creatue, since it was destroyed, and is no longer a blocker. Morphish Cat: Here's how it works. First, you must activate the Temporal, and shuffle your library. Next reveal your card. If the card was such as Blastoderm, you can play it for free, since it say you may play it without the casting cost. If you need further help, contact me, and I will explain it further. Trnothr: Here's the deal with Buyback and Kicker. Kicker and buyback are both in addition to it's casting cost. Familiars only reduce the casting cost of the spell. All buyback and kicker will not be reduced, since it's an addition to the casting cost. __________________
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caquaa
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posted February 10, 2001 08:45 PM
Aya Brea: With reguards to tedman's question, the overabundance's ability is a manaability so the damage is dealt before it can be prevented from story circle. However, he can use the mana to prevent the next damage from a land so he has to take at least one damage 
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Dragon Keeper
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posted February 10, 2001 08:49 PM
thanks.__________________
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Aya Brea
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posted February 10, 2001 08:56 PM
caquaa: Thanks, I always though it was the Overabundance. That's how me and my friend played it, but I see it's by the mana.
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guenhwyvar
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posted February 10, 2001 10:20 PM
Aya Brea: You posted:Trnothr: Here's the deal with Buyback and Kicker. Kicker and buyback are both in addition to it's casting cost. Familiars only reduce the casting cost of the spell. All buyback and kicker will not be reduced, since it's an addition to the casting cost.
Here's the actual ruling:
K.20 - Play Cost
K.20.1 - The "play cost" for a spell or ability is what you actually have
to pay to play the spell or ability. The cost may include mana and
non-mana aspects. [D'Angelo 98/02/03]
K.20.2 - The "play cost" for a spell is the "mana cost" (see Rule K.18) plus
any additional cost increases or decreases that are applied. The
"play cost" for an ability is the "activation cost" (see Rule G.1) plus
any additional cost increases or decreases that are applied.
[D'Angelo 97/11/19]
K.20.3 - If a card's text includes "At the time you play <card name>,
do <something>", then it is describing an additional part of the play
cost. This is paid only once and is paid when announcing the card.
[WotC Rules Team 98/10/18]
K.20.4 - To figure out the total play cost: a) Start with the mana cost (see
Rule K.18). b) Apply cost increases from the card itself (such as from
Buyback (see Rule A.9) and cost increases from other effects (such as
from Gloom). c) Apply cost reductions from the card itself (such as
with the alternate cost spells, see Rule E.1) or from other cards (such as
Helm of Awakening or Pearl Medallion). [WotC Rules Team 98/02/01]
+ K.20.Ruling.1 - Using the Buyback (see Rule A.9) ability is part of the
play cost of a spell, and is added in before you apply cost decreases.
See Rule A.9.Ruling.1. [D'Angelo 98/02/03] Kicker is also part of the
play cost. See Rule A.20.Ruling.4. [D'Angelo 01/01/16]
K.20.Ruling.2 - The result of Rule K.20.4 is that the Medallions and other
cost decreasers can be applied to any part of the play cost, and not just
the mana cost. [D'Angelo 98/02/03]
K.20.Ruling.3 - Once a spell is announced (see Rule T.4), there is no way
to retroactively change the play cost. It has already been paid. For
example, if you use a Sleight of Mind to change Gloom so it affects
green spells, it will not make an already announced green spell cost
more. [bethmo 94/11/01]
K.20.Ruling.4 - Some older cards used the text "<cost>: <effect>" on
instants and sorceries. All cards using this format have errata to have
it instead say "As an additional cost to play this card,
pay <cost>. <effect>." The cost is paid exactly once. Not less and not
more. [D'Angelo 99/05/01]
Buyback AND kicker can be reduced via familiars, medallions, etc.
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kryptic13
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posted February 11, 2001 02:00 AM
okay, but is kicker actually considered part of the 'casting cost'?...the question was can you prohibit a kickered kavu titan?...my question is how many times can you declare the sacrifice of something?...if i have one creature in play with goblin bombardment and i say that i'm saccing it, then my opponent declares his stp targetting my creature, can i declare the sacrifice again?...actually, can you even respond to a sacrifice?...it was my understanding that the sacrifice bypasses the stack and can't be affected...but of course, i never remember these questions when in the presence of a judge...
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Aya Brea
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posted February 11, 2001 02:07 AM
kryptic13: Sacrificing is the second fastest ability, which first is mana sources. So there will be no way to respond to a sacrificing.
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kryptic13
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posted February 11, 2001 03:06 AM
thanx, dawg, that's what i thought, but i just wanted to hear it from someone else...
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Zahmet
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posted February 11, 2001 08:55 AM
A very simple question...If i attack with a 2/2 and my opponet blocks it with a 2/2, then after he has delcared his blocker I cast terminate on his creture, will my 2/2 o 2 points of dmg. too my opponent?? or is the creture considered blocked and does no dmg. ???
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Llan
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posted February 11, 2001 12:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Aya Brea:
Llan, I don't think you are right. I checked at [urlwww.crystalkeep.com[/url] and looked at the Oath of Druids, and here's what it had to sayThe check for the number of creatures in play is made at the beginning of upkeep and this ability does not trigger if the condition is not met. The condition is also checked on resolution and the ability does nothing if it is not still true. [D'Angelo 99/06/01]
Ah, i didn´t know abilities also check their conditions on reolution. You´re trick should still work though:
1. Put 2x Oath ability on stack
2. Resolve Oath I, find feeder
3. Sac Feeder
4. Oath II resolves because condition is met ??!
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