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Topic: Rulings Thread #15, post all rulings questions here!
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grimmer
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posted March 13, 2003 07:05 AM
 
Cease-Fire Current Rules Text
Target player can't play creature spells this turn.
Draw a card. Once they announce the spell and put it on the stack, Cease-Fire will not affect it. Cease-Fire means the player can't announce creature spells. It will not counter a creature spell already on the stack.
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AEther Storm
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posted March 13, 2003 07:08 AM
As I suspected. thanks!__________________
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mulder
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posted March 13, 2003 07:28 AM
What happens when amy opponent attacks with a 6/6 creature that has trample, I block with a 3/3 and before damage is put on the stack, I remove the blocking creature from combat? And what if I remove it after damage is put on the stack?
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grimmer
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posted March 13, 2003 07:36 AM
quote:
Originally posted by mulder:
What happens when amy opponent attacks with a 6/6 creature that has trample, I block with a 3/3 and before damage is put on the stack, I remove the blocking creature from combat? And what if I remove it after damage is put on the stack?
If the creature is removed before damage is assigned and there are no other creatures blocking the 6/6 trampler, you will take all 6 damage. If damage is assigned and then the creature is removed, the damage assigned to the creature will "disappear" and you will take whatever amount was assigned to you (probably 3)
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SpOoF
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posted March 13, 2003 07:41 AM
Damaged is assigned before damaged is recived it magic. so you could have your creature deal 3 daamage then remove it from combat before it takes damage.. But if you removed it from combat completly before it did damage it's like it was never in combat so nothing it did takes place. so basically it's like you let him walk through with a 6/6 trampler .. OUCH!
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mulder
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posted March 13, 2003 07:49 AM
Sorry, forgot to post this with the previous one...I played in a tournament recently, an in one match, I lost a game, won a game and the third game was a draw. But the judge said that there was still time to play a fourth game, so we played another game. Is this legal? I thought it was a best of three, and that it would be considered a draw...
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SpOoF
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posted March 13, 2003 07:51 AM
um... no. ..i thinkit's best 2 of 3 I've never seen it go to a 4th so I wouldnt know if thats legal IMO you'd play the 3 games and that's it. if it ended in a draw than it's a draw... but i can see how you'd just keep playing until someone won the next game.. just doesnt seem right though
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grimmer
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posted March 13, 2003 07:56 AM
If there is time remaining in the round and the match is tied 1-1-1 after three games, a fourth game is played until someone wins a 2nd game or until time limit is called. If neither has gotten a second win before time limit (and extra turns) is up, the match will be a draw.From the 2002-2003 Magic: The Gathering Floor Rules:
Drawn games (games without a winner) do not count towards one of the three games in a match. The match should continue until one player has won the majority of games as long as match time allows.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by grimmer on March 13, 2003]
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mulder
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posted March 13, 2003 08:01 AM
Yeah, I never saw it happen either until last weekend... . Those were some pretty fast games...
Thanks for the advice both!
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P0rtRH0mbus
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posted March 13, 2003 10:43 PM
what if i had a time vault and a seedborn muse in play? __________________
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FyreStar
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posted March 13, 2003 11:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by P0rtRH0mbus:
what if i had a time vault and a seedborn muse in play?
Time Vault Color= Artifact Type= Artifact Cost= 2
Text (ABU+errata): Time Vault comes into play tapped.
Time Vault doesn't untap during your untap step.
Skip your next turn: Untap Time Vault and put a time counter on it.
{Tap},Remove all time counters from Time Vault: Take an extra turn after this one. Play this ability only if there's a time counter on Time Vault. After your opponent's upkeep, you would have an untapped Time Vault with no time counters on it. It would be useless.
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gzeiger
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posted March 14, 2003 01:53 AM
The Time Vault wouldn't become useless - it can still get a Time counter by skipping a turn, but it doesn't do anything special.quote:
Originally posted by samus_ssp:
If Negator is Delt 5 Damage(must be from the same sorce, unless it is from multibal blocking creatures) You must sacrifice 5 Permenents NOT including your Negator, because it is already in the graveyard.
Actually, you can make them sacrifice more even if the damage comes from multiple sources. If additional damage is dealt to the Negator while its sacrifice triggers are on the stack, additional triggers will continue to be added up until the event that kills the creature. Two Lightning Bolts, for example, can kill the Negator and require its controller to sacrifice six additional permanents.
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GMontag
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posted March 14, 2003 02:31 AM
If a creature with morph is turned face up due to its being removed from the game, do abilities that trigger upon the creature being turned face up occur?Is a creature with morph turned face up when put into the graveyard?
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AEther Storm
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posted March 14, 2003 02:48 AM
1. No. It's not really 'turned' up by any effect or spell.
2. Yes__________________
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SpOoF
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posted March 14, 2003 07:01 AM
I actually disagree with Aether Storm..take Skirk Maruader: Skirk Maruader Creature - Goblin
Morph (You may play this face down as a 2/2 creature for . Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
When Skirk Marauder is turned face up, it deals 2 damage to target creature or player.
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Common The text says "When Skirk Marauder is turned face up,..." It doesn't say when morph cost is paid. So if an effect turns it face up "...Skirk Marauder is turned face up,..." and does it's 2 damage.
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iakae
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posted March 14, 2003 07:04 AM
Simply put here, no, the creature does NOT turn "face up" when it returns from being removed from the game, so the ability does not trigger. It retains no memory of being face down in the first place. Now, if you turned it face up with, say, Ixidor, then the ability would indeed trigger.
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grimmer
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posted March 14, 2003 07:06 AM
It doesn't say when morph cost is paid. So if an effect turns it face up "...Skirk Marauder is turned face up,..." and does it's 2 damage. Although this is true (if you use Ixidor's ability or Break Open), it is not when referring to Astral Slide removing the creature from the game. The creature is removed from the game. Cards removed from the game must be revealed and visible to all players. The creature card is no longer in play when it is revealed (not turned face up). A.28.6 - Some cards have an ability that triggers when the card is turned face up. These can trigger due to the Morph ability being used or by any other effect that turns them face up. They do not trigger from leaving play or being revealed. [Legions FAQ 2003/01/23]
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SpOoF
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posted March 14, 2003 07:06 AM
Actually the creature does turn face up after being removed from the game.Ask anyone who plays astral slide.
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iakae
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posted March 14, 2003 07:09 AM
Actually, no, the creature does NOT turn face up when it comes back into play from Astral Slide. It is face up when it comes back into play, but it is not considered to be turning face up. There's a difference.
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SpOoF
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posted March 14, 2003 07:11 AM
I see. So it's turned face up when it is removed from the game. And when it comes back into the game it's already face up so abilities turning it over do not take effect. but the creature is indeed turned over.
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grimmer
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posted March 14, 2003 07:12 AM
[edit]^^^ That is correct. ^^^[/edit]You're misunderstanding the difference. They are revealed, not "turned face up" in the sense that the "morph" abilities mean. That's the distinction I'm trying to make. Is the face of the card made visible to all players? Yes. Is it considered "turned face up"? No.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by grimmer on March 14, 2003]
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mulder
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posted March 14, 2003 08:07 AM
I have two questions regardinf Scion of Darkness:1) If he attacks with the Scion, and I block with a Ravenous Baloth, and when damage is put on the stack, I use a Contested Cliffs, does he still get to take a creature from my graveyard since the Scion is dead? 2) If he sacs three Clerics, and I Shock his Dark Suplicant in response, what happens? And if it doesn't matter if I Shock it, can that player sac three clerics and then in response use the ability of Cabal Archon and still put the Scion ihn play?
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SpOoF
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posted March 14, 2003 08:13 AM
1) Yes. He still does damage to you, and the ability is put on the stack just like the contested cliffs ability is put on the stack. The trample still takes effect even though he dies. 2) He still gets his Scion. The ability is put on the stack. then you shock. the ability resloves. SO it would look something like this
sack three creatures to get scion
shock that creature that lets him do it
so go backwards
the shock resolves, the creature is dead
no the creatures are gone (even before the shock because sacking is faster than instants) so that creature dies but the ability still resolves.
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grimmer
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posted March 14, 2003 08:17 AM
1) If he attacks with the Scion, and I block with a Ravenous Baloth, and when damage is put on the stack, I use a Contested Cliffs, does he still get to take a creature from my graveyard since the Scion is dead?Most likely, the opponent will assign 4 damage to the Baloth and 2 damage to you. After damage is on the stack, you activate Cliffs and deal 4 damage to the Scion, but combat damage hasn't resolved yet, so the Scion will not die until combat damage resolves. At that time its trigger will resolve and it will get a creature back... very likely choosing Baloth as the target to return. 2) If he sacs three Clerics, and I Shock his Dark Suplicant in response, what happens? Sacrifice means to put into the graveyard from play. If the Dark Supplicant is one of the Clerics sacrificed, it will not be in play for you to target with Shock in response. If it isn't one of the Clerics chosen, you may target it with Shock but it will not affect the effect that is already on the stack. Once an ability is on the stack it exists independent of its source. And if it doesn't matter if I Shock it, can that player sac three clerics and then in response use the ability of Cabal Archon and still put the Scion ihn play? If the Clerics are sacrificed as part of the activation of the Supplicant, they are no longer in play to be sacrificed to activate the Archon's ability.
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TeenieBopper
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posted March 14, 2003 07:00 PM
Yay, I've got a question that involves state based effects. Have fun with it.  Lets assume I have infinite mana with an Emporer Laquatus in play and I'm playing against Oath. I use Laquatus' ability and turn over Blessing. I put the ability on the stack and continue to use his ability. Is it possible for me to deck him using just the Laquatus or do I have to force him to draw using something like Inspiration? __________________
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