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Topic: Rulings Thread #15, post all rulings questions here!
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Chicken L0rd
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posted March 11, 2003 04:12 PM
 
My friends has a "combo". He uses Goblin Sharpshooters to kill creatures. So, he had 2 on play. He targeted my friends windborn muse (or the white one.. whatever).. with it. It deals 2 damage. He sacrificed his Goblin surgeron to untap his Sharpshooters.. he deals damage to the muse, so it dies. But, I said... hey.. the only target possible for the regeneration to happen is the muse.. then we started arguing..Who's right?
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FyreStar
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posted March 11, 2003 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by Chicken L0rd:
My friends has a "combo". He uses Goblin Sharpshooters to kill creatures. So, he had 2 on play. He targeted my friends windborn muse (or the white one.. whatever).. with it. It deals 2 damage. He sacrificed his Goblin surgeron to untap his Sharpshooters.. he deals damage to the muse, so it dies. But, I said... hey.. the only target possible for the regeneration to happen is the muse.. then we started arguing..Who's right?
Your friend is. You can target any creature with the Goblin Chirurgeon. It doesn't need to have lethal damage on it. It just sets up a regeneration shield that waits around until the creature dies or until end of turn, whichever comes first.
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Swimmer
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posted March 11, 2003 04:34 PM
Hey. Can Phage be in FEB? DOes the Shapeshifter coming into play as the Phage kill you?__________________
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FyreStar
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posted March 11, 2003 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by Swimmer:
Hey. Can Phage be in FEB? DOes the Shapeshifter coming into play as the Phage kill you?
If you play Volrath's Shapeshifter while Phage is the top card of your library, you don't lose the game. If you play Volrath's Shapeshifter, let it resolve, then make Phage the top card of your graveyard, you don't lose either. EDIT: Fixed mistake. Thanks gzeiger.
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[Edited 3 times, lastly by FyreStar on March 12, 2003]
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Fernix
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posted March 11, 2003 05:14 PM
Hiya All!Here are some friendly tinker deck questions.
Some are just to verify.. Do non creature arifacts have summining sickness.. Say I play a thran dynamo and in the same turn use the mana ability to play metalworker, can I do this or do I have to wait one more turn before using thran dynamo's mana ability. If you don't need to wait does this prove true with every non creature artifact? Also I have had some controversy over a question with some friends. If you voltaic key (untap)a create, lets say masticore, after attacking, will this allow it to attack and block for next turn. So I attack for 4 and decide hmm ill voltaic key to untap, he then proceeds to attack with a wild mongrel next turn and I block with the masticore that was untapped with the voltaic keys? -I know some of these are somewhat simple but I need some good explainations. THANKS!! -Fernix __________________
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SpOoF
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posted March 11, 2003 05:23 PM
yo!Non creature Artifacts DO NOT have summoning sickness. Artifact creatures Tapping abilities have summoning sickness.. EX:
Karns abilities can be used as soon as he comes into play, but metal workers cannot because you must tap metal worker, while karn does not tap. If you make say.. thran dynamo into a creature with karn, it cannot attack the same turn as it came into play. As for the voltaic key.. you can untap masticore while attacking.. he's still attacking so it changes nothing. So to answer your question he will have attacked (if not killed) he can block . But he cannot attack twice in one turn, unless you have cards that make it happen. So what will happen is you'll attack with you mongrel and masticore. Untap core (yes he's still an attacking creature)but because you only have one attack phase and you've declared your attackers he can only attack once.)
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FyreStar
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posted March 11, 2003 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by Fernix:
Do non creature arifacts have summining sickness.. Say I play a thran dynamo and in the same turn use the mana ability to play metalworker, can I do this or do I have to wait one more turn before using thran dynamo's mana ability. If you don't need to wait does this prove true with every non creature artifact? If you voltaic key (untap)a create, lets say masticore, after attacking, will this allow it to attack and block for next turn. So I attack for 4 and decide hmm ill voltaic key to untap, he then proceeds to attack with a wild mongrel next turn and I block with the masticore that was untapped with the voltaic keys?
You don't need to wait to tap your Thran Dynamo (or any other non-creature artifact). All permanents have what is called "summoning sickness" (the inability to attack or pay costs that include the tap symbol the turn it came into play), but it only affects creatures. You can untap an artifact creature after it has attacked and block with it during your opponent's turn.
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Fernix
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posted March 11, 2003 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by SpOoF:
yo!Non creature Artifacts DO NOT have summoning sickness. Artifact creatures Tapping abilities have summoning sickness.. EX:
Karns abilities can be used as soon as he comes into play, but metal workers cannot because you must tap metal worker, while karn does not tap. If you make say.. thran dynamo into a creature with karn, it cannot attack the same turn as it came into play. As for the voltaic key.. you can untap masticore while attacking.. he's still attacking so it changes nothing. So to answer your question he will have attacked (if not killed) he can block . But he cannot attack twice in one turn, unless you have cards that make it happen. So what will happen is you'll attack with you mongrel and masticore. Untap core (yes he's still an attacking creature)but because you only have one attack phase and you've declared your attackers he can only attack once.)
Thanx spoof. I wasn't asking about attacking twice though.. That would be absurd  . But I can attack, deal damage, then untap him.. Then in my oppenents turn I can block the creatures with the masticore as well?? I think your saying that I can just quadruple cheking... thanks!__________________
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[Edited 1 times, lastly by Fernix on March 11, 2003]
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SpOoF
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posted March 11, 2003 05:36 PM
lol sorry about that then..and yea that's why masticore is such a broken card....
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Fernix
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posted March 11, 2003 05:39 PM
So does that mean for a card, i.e. sara angel she does not have to tap to attack,
can attack and block on the individual turns? if so thats kool.. And the same would go for masticore, phyrexian colossus, and so on? Thanks! __________________
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Fernix
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posted March 11, 2003 05:44 PM
My last Q's is:Can I tap tangle wire as part of its ability becuase it is an untapped artifact i control? Thanks! __________________
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MerfolkOpps
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posted March 11, 2003 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by Fernix:
My last Q's is:Can I tap tangle wire as part of its ability becuase it is an untapped artifact i control? Thanks!
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SpOoF
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posted March 11, 2003 07:04 PM
*nneds to learn how to do the cool quote thing*
My last Q's is:
Can I tap tangle wire as part of its ability becuase it is an untapped artifact i control? Thanks!
HELL YEAH!! that's half the reason it's a good card, you have to tap 2 less than your opponent a turn. first turn they tap 4, your first turn you tap 3 (1 being tangle wire itself, so you really on tap 2 to their 4)
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Goblinbeatdown
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posted March 11, 2003 07:04 PM
Mana short question...My opponent plays a spell. can I respond by mana shorting him? We have always played locally like that but at a tournament the judge told us he didnt see many mana shorts and said we couldnt do that because he wasnt sure. so I was wondering if he was wrong or right? his rulign resulted in several losses
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SpOoF
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posted March 11, 2003 07:06 PM
you cannot use mana short to counter. as soon as you tap the mana it goes on *loud announcer like voice* "THE STACK!!"... and if it's not there already he can tap his mana in response to the short,... your best bet is to short him on the upkeep. Force him to use his mana then or not at all.
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gzeiger
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posted March 12, 2003 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by FyreStar:
If you play Volrath's Shapeshifter while Phage is the top card of your library, you will lose the game. However, if you play Volrath's Shapeshifter, let it resolve, and then make Phage the top card of your graveyard, you don't lose. So, playing the Shapeshifter and then activating his ability to discard Phage lets you live.
Not quite. Remember to read the name of a card in its own text as "this." If Phage is on top of your graveyard and you play Volrath's Shapeshifter you don't lose the game because you played the Shapeshifter from your hand.FEB will only kill itself with Phage via Reya Dawnbringer. The main thing you have to be careful of is her Legend type, but you already know to be careful of Squee and Reya when you have multiple Shifters, right? __________________
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FyreStar
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posted March 12, 2003 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by gzeiger:
Not quite. Remember to read the name of a card in its own text as "this." If Phage is on top of your graveyard and you play Volrath's Shapeshifter you don't lose the game because you played the Shapeshifter from your hand.FEB will only kill itself with Phage via Reya Dawnbringer. The main thing you have to be careful of is her Legend type, but you already know to be careful of Squee and Reya when you have multiple Shifters, right?
You're right, for some reason I was thinking "put into play" and typing "play".
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jbp26
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posted March 12, 2003 09:57 AM
Easy questtion-Say I have Rotlung Reanimator and 2 Clerics in play, and then I cast Wrath of God. Do I get any zombie tokens, for the clerics and rotlung going to the graveyard, or do I get nothing since they all died at once? __________________
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SpOoF
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posted March 12, 2003 10:05 AM
the cards reads as followsRotlung Reanimator 2B
Creature - Zombie Cleric Rare
Whenever Rotlung Reanimator or another Cleric is put into a graveyard from play, put a 2/2 black Zombie creature token into play.
2/2
Thomas M. Baxa 164/350 Technically they all go to the grave at the same time, but because the text reads "Whenever Rotlung Reanimator or another Cleric is put into a graveyard from play" meaning rotlung can be going to the grave with however many creatures you have an it's abilities still takes place. So the other clerics going to the grave would activate rotlungs ability as well So going off the text you would get 3 2/2 Zombies in play, and unless the have a rotlung they wont get jack.
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daboo
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posted March 12, 2003 02:33 PM
I have a Aura of Silence of the Board, he has a cursed scroll. eot he scrolls-I sac Aura in response. Do I take scroll damage?__________________
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FyreStar
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posted March 12, 2003 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by daboo:
I have a Aura of Silence of the Board, he has a cursed scroll. eot he scrolls-I sac Aura in response. Do I take scroll damage?
Yes. Eliminating the source of an activated ability doesn't eliminate the ability itself. __________________
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ganandorf
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posted March 12, 2003 02:46 PM
if I have a negator and it is dealt multiple damage. can I sac it to resolve the ability so that I don't have to sac anything else? thanks__________________
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grimmer
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posted March 12, 2003 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by ganandorf:
if I have a negator and it is dealt multiple damage. can I sac it to resolve the ability so that I don't have to sac anything else? thanks
No. Once the triggered ability is on the stack, removing the Negator won't change anything. It's similar to the Aura of Silence situation above. From the card rulings:
Sacrificing this card does not prevent you from having to make the other sacrifices. [DeLaney 1999/06/13]
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samus_ssp
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posted March 12, 2003 02:57 PM
If Negator is Delt 4 Damage you have to sacrifice 4 Things. The reason that you can not sac the Negator is that all 4 Sacrifices have to occure at the same time.If Negator is Delt 5 Damage(must be from the same sorce, unless it is from multibal blocking creatures) You must sacrifice 5 Permenents NOT including your Negator, because it is already in the graveyard.
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AEther Storm
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posted March 13, 2003 01:48 AM
If my opponent plays a creature, and I respond with Cease Fire, his creature would still come into play, right? it wouldn't 'counter' his creature?__________________
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