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FyreStar Member	posted March 14, 2003 07:16 PM quote: Originally posted by TeenieBopper: Yay, I've got a question that involves state based effects. Have fun with it. Lets assume I have infinite mana with an Emporer Laquatus in play and I'm playing against Oath. I use Laquatus' ability and turn over Blessing. I put the ability on the stack and continue to use his ability. Is it possible for me to deck him using just the Laquatus or do I have to force him to draw using something like Inspiration? You need a way to make him actually draw cards. Ambassador Laquatus just moves the top three into the graveyard, and if there isn't anything to move, it doesn't do anything. 102.2. When a player is required to draw more cards than are left in his or her library, he or she draws the remaining cards, then loses the game the next time a player would receive priority. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
TeenieBopper Member	posted March 14, 2003 10:41 PM Whee, another rulings question. This deck is getting more and more complicated. I have a Future Sight in play and the top card of my library is Predict, if I cast predict, do I get to see what the next card of my library is? __________________ Doing my best to make sure stupid people don't take over the world. Do you play Type 1.5? Check out The Bazaar! I'm insecure, ban queer!
FyreStar Member	posted March 14, 2003 10:45 PM quote: Originally posted by TeenieBopper: Whee, another rulings question. This deck is getting more and more complicated. I have a Future Sight in play and the top card of my library is Predict, if I cast predict, do I get to see what the next card of my library is? Yes. The top card of your library is always revealed while Future Sight is out. When you play Predict, it leaves the top of your library and goes onto the stack, so you get to see what the next top card is. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
-Vhati-il-dal- Member	posted March 15, 2003 12:31 AM quote: Originally posted by FyreStar: Originally posted by TeenieBopper: [b]Whee, another rulings question. This deck is getting more and more complicated. I have a Future Sight in play and the top card of my library is Predict, if I cast predict, do I get to see what the next card of my library is? quote: Yes. The top card of your library is always revealed while Future Sight is out. When you play Predict, it leaves the top of your library and goes onto the stack, so you get to see what the next top card is. Also, to expand on this, you can even play the spell you reveal. Let's say you Predict yourself, but see an Early Harvest, something you don't want to hit the graveyard. So you cast it. Again, the next card is revealed, and if it's an instant, again, you can play it. [Edited 1 times, lastly by -Vhati-il-dal- on March 15, 2003]
Goblinbeatdown Member	posted March 15, 2003 09:46 PM Hey stupid question here Can I like print pictures off the internet and then glue them onto my cards or is that against some rule somewhere? [Edited 1 times, lastly by Goblinbeatdown on March 15, 2003]
SpOoF Member	posted March 15, 2003 09:49 PM Uh.. not if you're playing freindly.. nothing wrong with proxing cards, especially when you take the time to print the cards out and waste ink like that.... But in tournaments... I should really smack people who think that. All cards in tournaments MUST BE LEGAL. as in they are in legal sets out of packs (or box sets,... ). so no proxys
Goblinbeatdown Member	posted March 15, 2003 09:51 PM No I still have the original card underneath it. I just want to change the cards picture. no other part of the card. so I am only gluing onto the picture part the rest is part of the real card
SpOoF Member	posted March 15, 2003 10:01 PM I wouldn't see any problem with it, other than those uptight players who get all mad at stuff like SENSE OF HUMOR.. people play with altered cards by artist all the time, some artist even change the pics. So I wouldn't really see a problem, I'd actually laugh and let you play.. just so long as it doesnt mess with the thickness and mark the card
Goblinbeatdown Member	posted March 15, 2003 10:17 PM yay!! I am gonna do it to my birds and kittys then
Blastoderm55 Member	posted March 15, 2003 10:23 PM If the picture you're pasting to your card makes your card considerably thicker, you will get problems from opponents and judges alike. __________________ "I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class, especially since I rule" - Randal Graves in Clerks. Support the MOTL Magic Stack here: http://www.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/009559.html
SpOoF Member	posted March 15, 2003 10:26 PM Simple solution... do it to all your cards
gzeiger Member	posted March 16, 2003 01:26 AM Significantly altering card art is prohibited in serious tournaments because many people rely on the art to identify a card and keep track of it while it's in play (and also the more serious issue of card thickness). As always, it depends on the seriousness of your play group. A friend's house on the weekend is one thing, but I wouldn't expect to get away with that at a PTQ. __________________ DCI certified Level 2 judge gzeiger@hotmail.com
Chris Kelsey Member	posted March 17, 2003 06:33 PM Hi, here is my rules question: I am playing T2 Reanimator vs some build of UG with Krosan Reclamation. I play zombify targeting a phantom nishoba in my graveyard. The UG player then plays Reclamation targeting the Nishoba and some other arbitrary card. I let the reclamation resolve, but before the Stitch together resolves I cast Entomb and pull out the nishoba again. My question is, will the stitch together still recognize the newly buried nishoba as its target or will it "fizzle" because the nishoba was reshuffled and this is technically a new one in the graveyard. Thanks in advance!! __________________ Chris Kelsey kelsey2@epix.net Vice-Admiral GAB Blazing Moon Team Yes, this is me playing Bob Maher. AIM: JohnnyVegas6987 MOL: Phoenix32 [Edited 1 times, lastly by Chris Kelsey on March 18, 2003]
samus_ssp Member	posted March 17, 2003 07:12 PM First of all your swiching spells. You can not change the target of a spell after you declare the target(s) with out the help of another spell like misdirection. Second of all no. Your Zombify/Stichtogether targets that spacific Phantom Nishoba, not any Phantom Nishoba. Even if you reconize that you pulled up the same Phantom Nishoba with the entome, the Zombify/Stich Together loses trach of it as it changes zones. Just like when a card like Phantom Nishoba sayes, "Remove a counter and Prevent all damage delt to Phanotom Nishoba (or something like that)". When it sayes Phantom Nishoba, it means itself, not any Phantom Nishoba. [Edited 2 times, lastly by samus_ssp on March 17, 2003]
cryptic_madness Member	posted March 17, 2003 07:34 PM Ok whats the new wording on abyss? My friend claims its now each player sacrifices a creature. I thought it was sacrifice target creature so i could make my morphling untargetable.
grimmer Member	posted March 17, 2003 10:46 PM Current Rules Text At the beginning of each player's upkeep, destroy target nonartifact creature that player controls of his or her choice. It can't be regenerated. [Oracle 2001/08/24]
SpOoF Member	posted March 18, 2003 06:58 AM Oracle: "At the beginning of each player’s upkeep, that player sacrifices non-artifact a creature." So artifact creatures are safe but untargetable creatures are not anymore... That's if this oracle is up to date, I got this off http://spoilers.mtgnews.com/card.php?cid=1460 Either way, there would be no way you could save morphling when abyss is out. Abyss is not targeting your morphling, it is targeting you, and then you make the choice. Kind of like diabolic edict. Even if by some chance there was a way to make morphling untargetable by abyss. Abyss' ability would still take place and you'd still have to sack a creature, untargetable or not. There has never been a way for morphlling to out run Abyss. [Edited 3 times, lastly by SpOoF on March 18, 2003]
Gabethebabe Member	posted March 18, 2003 08:00 AM Please ignore the post above. It reminds me of a joke: a guy is listening to the radio. A man on the radio says: watch out, because there is a guy going in the wrong direction on the A6 highway. The guy says: one? Hundreds! Current oracle text of the Abyss: The Abyss 3B Enchant World At the beginning of each player's upkeep, destroy target nonartifact creature that player controls of his or her choice. It can't be regenerated. __________________ GtB My eBay profile Please don´t send me instant messages or PM´s.
mulder Member	posted March 18, 2003 08:06 AM I heared that Mana Drain was erratad, that it now says "during your next pre-combat main phase, add x mana to your ... Since it says pre combat, you can't counter a spell in your first main phase and get the mana in your second main phase. But when I checked the rulings, i found nothing. Can anyone help me here?
SpOoF Member	posted March 18, 2003 08:12 AM Crystal keep oracle: Text (LG+errata): Counter target spell. At the beginning of your next main phase, add X colorless mana to your mana pool, where X is that spell's converted mana cost. [Oracle 2001/08/24] Mtgnews oracle: Counter target spell. At the beginning of your next main phase, add X to your mana pool, where X is that spell’s converted mana cost. it's just at the beginning or your next main phase.. So if you use it on their turn it would have to be used on your pre-combat main phase. if you use it during your attack or during your first main phase. then you'd have to use it after your post combat main phase. So to answer your question. By the newest oracle text.. which seems pretty old as magic errats and what not go. You can use it the way you're thinking [Edited 1 times, lastly by SpOoF on March 19, 2003]
Swimmer Member	posted March 18, 2003 08:49 PM What happens if i activate oath of druids, having no creatures in my library. However, theres a creature in my graveayard and a gaea's blessing in my library. Does it bsacailly become, put the creature from your graveyard into play, and shuffle your library, or somethign else? __________________ cArdboArd boX: I sometimes wonder whether Ancestral Recall is better than Peek. Swimmer: We all do, especially us poor kids. cArdboArd boX: I sold my refridgerator. Swimmer: My parents wouldnt like that.
FyreStar Member	posted March 18, 2003 08:53 PM quote: Originally posted by Swimmer: What happens if i activate oath of druids, having no creatures in my library. However, theres a creature in my graveayard and a gaea's blessing in my library. Does it bsacailly become, put the creature from your graveyard into play, and shuffle your library, or somethign else? You will reveal cards from the top of your library until you run out of library. Then, you put those cards in the graveyard. That is where Oath of Druids' effect ends. Then, the Gaea's Blessing triggers and goes on the stack. Once it resolves, you reshuffle, but you don't get to go through again for a creature unless you have more than one Oath on the board. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
Jez Member	posted March 19, 2003 02:29 PM Ok, heres my rulings question, just something I thought about. Say I have a Mistform Sliver in play. I also have a Mistform Seaswift. 1.I use the Seaswifts ability to make it a Sliver. 2.The new "Sliver" gains the Mistform Slivers ability. 3.I use the Sliver ability to make the Mistform Seaswift an "Illusion Sliver." 4.I need help starting here End of turn, I resolve the Seaswifts own ability first, dropping the "original" Creature type of Sliver. At this point, since the Mistform Slivers ability gives the Seaswift "1: This creatures type becomes the creature type of your choice in addition to* its other types until end of turn,"* would this mean the Seaswift would still technically be an "Illusion Sliver" since it was affected twice? Saying it would remain "Illusion Sliver", let's go on to 5.The Sliver ability resolves immediately after the Seaswift ability. Since the card says "All slivers have", and due to other implications... Basically, I'm asking if, through this, the Mistform Seaswifts creature type could or would stick as "Sliver" at the end of the turn. EDIT: question answered, took off email notification. __________________ Trying to un-crappify my collection, 1 card at a time. 14 Cards from my Urza's Saga set! "Nothin' beat surprise- 'cept rock." [Edited 1 times, lastly by Jez on March 19, 2003]
grimmer Member	posted March 19, 2003 02:40 PM Mistform Seaswift Creature - Illusion 3/1 Flying. 1: Mistform Seaswift's type becomes the creature type of your choice until end of turn. Morph 1U Mistform Sliver Creature - Illusion Sliver 1/1 All Slivers have "1: This creature's type becomes the creature type of your choice in addition to its other types until end of turn." 4.I need help starting here End of turn, I resolve the Seaswifts own ability first, dropping the "original" Creature type of Sliver. "Until end of turn" effects are all removed simultaneously along with damage. The Mistform Seaswift will become an Illusion again. At this point, since the Mistform Slivers ability gives the Seaswift "1: This creatures type becomes the creature type of your choice in addition to its other types until end of turn," would this mean the Seaswift would still technically be an "Illusion Sliver" since it was affected twice? It is no longer a Sliver and no longer has the Mistform Sliver granted ability. Basically, I'm asking if, through this, the Mistform Seaswifts creature type could or would stick as "Sliver" at the end of the turn. At the time "at end of turn" triggers occur (beginning of end of turn step), it is still a Mistform Sliver. During cleanup step, all until end of turn effects wear off simultaneously.
Jez Member	posted March 19, 2003 02:41 PM Thanks a ton. __________________ Trying to un-crappify my collection, 1 card at a time. 14 Cards from my Urza's Saga set! "Nothin' beat surprise- 'cept rock."

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