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grimmer Member	posted February 25, 2003 09:31 PM quote: Originally posted by Rhystic: I'm not sure about this but doesnt the guy with 5 life win. You both lose 6 and both are reduced below 0. thus isnt the person with the lowest life total lose. -5 to -1?? No. The game is a draw. How far below 0 life you are is irrelevant. The state-based effects only care that players' life totals are 0 or lower. It is a true/false situation.
Voidmage Prodigy unregistered	posted February 26, 2003 12:40 PM if voidmage prodigy is tapped can it still us its abilty to counter a target spell?
FyreStar Member	posted February 26, 2003 12:53 PM quote: Originally posted by Voidmage Prodigy: if voidmage prodigy is tapped can it still us its abilty to counter a target spell? Yes. Tapping isn't part of the cost, so you may play the ability while the Prodigy is tapped. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
mulder Member	posted February 27, 2003 08:28 AM I have a tapped Mana Vault and a Seedborn Muse in play. Does the Mana Vault untap during my opponent's untap phase?
grimmer Member	posted February 27, 2003 08:33 AM quote: Originally posted by mulder: I have a tapped Mana Vault and a Seedborn Muse in play. Does the Mana Vault untap during my opponent's untap phase? Yes. Seedborn Muse Current Rules Text 2/4. Untap all permanents you control during each other player's untap step.
Spelljack Member	posted February 27, 2003 10:24 PM My opponent plays a wizard deck. he has a patron wizard and another wizard in play. i cast a spell and he taps his patron wizard to counter it. i pay one. he taps the other wizard to counter it again. can he really do that? can you counter a spell twice?
flavor_of_the_weak Member	posted February 27, 2003 11:08 PM quote: Originally posted by Spelljack: My opponent plays a wizard deck. he has a patron wizard and another wizard in play. i cast a spell and he taps his patron wizard to counter it. i pay one. he taps the other wizard to counter it again. can he really do that? can you counter a spell twice? Yes if you pay the 1 mana each time he tap his wizard he can try to counterspell your spell again and again. __________________ Buy 8th Edition packs. 1-Slash,John Frusciante,Jimmy Page and Randy Rhoads are the best guitar players 2-Buy Gibson or PRS Guitars 3-David Lee Roth is the best Van Halen Singer There is. 4-E-mail Days_of_the_weak@hotmail.com for trades. [Edited 1 times, lastly by flavor_of_the_weak on February 27, 2003]
4zN h0bb1t Member	posted February 28, 2003 05:50 PM What does Aether mean? i see it in a few cards that were printed hehehe, ok that was not a valid question. ok anywho real one: If my friend play counterable spell, and i play Grip of Amnesia and they haev no graveyard...they can remove this "graveyard" and still play this counterable spell right? Becuase theres cards that sometimes says "discard your hand..draw this and this" and it is still ok to do so(drawing i mean without a hand). So long short, can i counter some spell with grip of amnesia when they have no cards in graveyard? and yes, i kno it sucks but i like it for my particular deck. __________________
FyreStar Member	posted February 28, 2003 06:49 PM quote: Originally posted by 4zN h0bb1t: What does Aether mean? i see it in a few cards that were printed hehehe, ok that was not a valid question. ok anywho real one: If my friend play counterable spell, and i play Grip of Amnesia and they haev no graveyard...they can remove this "graveyard" and still play this counterable spell right? Becuase theres cards that sometimes says "discard your hand..draw this and this" and it is still ok to do so(drawing i mean without a hand). So long short, can i counter some spell with grip of amnesia when they have no cards in graveyard? and yes, i kno it sucks but i like it for my particular deck. When trying to counter a spell with Grip of Amnesia, your opponent may remove his graveyard from the game even if it contains no cards. Main Entry: ether Pronunciation: 'E-th&r Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Latin aether, from Greek aithEr, from aithein to ignite, blaze; akin to Old English Ad pyre -- more at EDIFY Date: 14th century 1 a : the rarefied element formerly believed to fill the upper regions of space b : the upper regions of space : HEAVENS 2 a : a medium that in the wave theory of light permeates all space and transmits transverse waves b : AIRWAVES 3 a : a light volatile flammable liquid C4H10O used chiefly as a solvent and anesthetic b : any of various organic compounds characterized by an oxygen atom attached to two carbon atoms __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
4zN h0bb1t Member	posted March 01, 2003 03:29 PM for the card mist of stagnation. if i have cards in my graveyard, and my opponent doesnt. i have 3 permanents in play. he has 2. i have 5 cards in graveyard. does that mean i have to untap all the permanents? or only mine?
Dotzcom13 Member	posted March 01, 2003 03:37 PM quote: Originally posted by 4zN h0bb1t: for the card mist of stagnation. if i have cards in my graveyard, and my opponent doesnt. i have 3 permanents in play. he has 2. i have 5 cards in graveyard. does that mean i have to untap all the permanents? or only mine? Just read the card Permanents don't untap during their controllers' untap steps. At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player untaps a permanent for each card in his or her graveyard. It does not say you "may" do anything, so you have to do what it says. __________________ Sex Monkeys!!! SOULGORGE ORGG!!!! RARRARARARRRR SOOOOOOOOOO There's an entire industry of bad gifts. All those "executive" gifts, any stupid, goofy, brass wood thing, they put a piece of green felt on the bottom, "It's a gold-desk-tie-stress-organizer, Dad.
Scopes13mtg Member	posted March 01, 2003 03:39 PM I would assume you would only untap your own permanents... interesting point though. When a creature dies and is returned to hand using Enduring Renewal... is there any time in there to remove it from the game with Tormod's Crypt? __________________ "You boy, are arrogant, hot tempered, and entirely too bold. I like that...reminds me of me." -Porthos Contact info: E-mail: Scopes13mtg@yahoo.com AIM: Scopes13mtg
samus_ssp Member	posted March 01, 2003 03:53 PM With Mists of Stagnation if you have less permenents then the number of cards in your graveyard then youl have to look to the other side of the table to finish the cards abilites. Note that you can untap untaped cards, but you can only untap each card once. The ablility on Enduring Renewal is a replacement effect, so the card never reaches your graveyard. Like it says, "If it were to go to the graveyard, insted put it into your hand".
JEFFF Member	posted March 01, 2003 04:07 PM I have 3 questions bothering me which i've been looking into for a while. A) Can you gush and reture duel or dual lands to your hand? B) Can you tap and sac. a fetchland for a duel land? C) If you put a control magic on a creature and then you opponent puts a control magic on the same creature who controls is? PLMK THX __________________ -Jeff [Edited 1 times, lastly by JEFFF on March 01, 2003]
JEFFF Member	posted March 01, 2003 04:08 PM quote: Originally posted by Voidmage Prodigy: if voidmage prodigy is tapped can it still us its abilty to counter a target spell? YES but if the card requires it to tap then no. Sorry i just remember what it does but im almost positive the answer is YES.
Dotzcom13 Member	posted March 01, 2003 04:11 PM quote: Originally posted by JEFFF: I have two questions bothering me which i've been looking into for a while. A) Can you gush and reture duel or dual lands to your hand? B) Can you tap and sac. a fetchland for a duel land? PLMK THX yes and yes. If you read the card you notice it says Tropical Island Color: Land Type: Land Cost: None Sets: ABUR(R) Text(RV+errata): ~this~ is an island and a forest in addition to its land type. [Oracle 2001/08/24] It actually doesn't say EXACTLY that but that is the eratta. Live by it. __________________ Sex Monkeys!!! SOULGORGE ORGG!!!! RARRARARARRRR SOOOOOOOOOO There's an entire industry of bad gifts. All those "executive" gifts, any stupid, goofy, brass wood thing, they put a piece of green felt on the bottom, "It's a gold-desk-tie-stress-organizer, Dad.
MerfolkOpps Member	posted March 02, 2003 10:26 PM Ok, does Nightscape Familiar lower the buyback of Capsize? I would think no, because you play it in addition to the CC, but LMK from minds greater than mine own. Matt __________________ It is impossible to legislate against human stupidity. The best we can do is try to limit the consequences of it. The only way to gain respect is by doing so good that you can't be ignored.
iccarus Member	posted March 02, 2003 10:59 PM OK, want to get this one straight as I'm fairly sure it works, but madness timing always gets me. I assume it does but want to make sure before I try it. I play frantic search with 3 lands in play (2 island, 1 forest)...I then discard arrogant wurm and some other stuff that doesn't apply. Now, can I cast the wurm for madness or not? My thinking is that the untap up to 3 lands trigger doesn't happen until after I discard and I thought the wurm's madness trigger would be on the stack above the untap 3...just a timing question I want to get out of the way. __________________ If you play MTGO and have Mirari or Echoes...I need them! AIM: arbecke MTGO: iccarus
FyreStar Member	posted March 02, 2003 11:00 PM quote: Originally posted by MerfolkOpps: Ok, does Nightscape Familiar lower the buyback of Capsize? I would think no, because you play it in addition to the CC, but LMK from minds greater than mine own. Matt Yes, Familiars lower buyback costs on spells of the appropriate color. If you had 4 Nightscape Familiars in play, you could Capsize with buyback for UU. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
FyreStar Member	posted March 03, 2003 01:08 AM quote: Originally posted by iccarus: OK, want to get this one straight as I'm fairly sure it works, but madness timing always gets me. I assume it does but want to make sure before I try it. I play frantic search with 3 lands in play (2 island, 1 forest)...I then discard arrogant wurm and some other stuff that doesn't apply. Now, can I cast the wurm for madness or not? My thinking is that the untap up to 3 lands trigger doesn't happen until after I discard and I thought the wurm's madness trigger would be on the stack above the untap 3...just a timing question I want to get out of the way. You will be able to play the Arrogant Wurm via madness. All three parts of Frantic Search (draw, discard, and untap) are part of the resolution of the spell. All parts of the resolution of a spell must finish before any other abilities or triggers can be added to the stack. So, the madness trigger is delayed until after you've untapped the lands, and you can then tap them for mana to pay the madness cost. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
HustlerMay09 Member	posted March 03, 2003 04:46 AM A friend and I were having an argument about when a person is "decked". I said that a person is decked at any time when they're forced to draw and have no cards in there library. He says you can only be decked during your draw phase. Who is right? __________________ Wanna trade? Come on in http://www.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/135856.html Girls love soccer players because they can go for 90 min. in 11 different positions.
mulder Member	posted March 03, 2003 08:38 AM If a Rancor goes to the graveyard, is there time to remove it from the game with let's say a Tormod's Crypt?
FyreStar Member	posted March 03, 2003 08:59 AM quote: Originally posted by HustlerMay09: A friend and I were having an argument about when a person is "decked". I said that a person is decked at any time when they're forced to draw and have no cards in there library. He says you can only be decked during your draw phase. Who is right? You are. 102.2. When a player is required to draw more cards than are left in his or her library, he or she draws the remaining cards, then loses the game the next time a player would receive priority. quote: Originally posted by mulder: If a Rancor goes to the graveyard, is there time to remove it from the game with let's say a Tormod's Crypt? Yes. It is a triggered ability and goes on the stack when Rancor is put in the graveyard. You can respond by activating Tormod's Crypt and removing it from the game along with the rest of the graveyard. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.
ali_baba Member	posted March 03, 2003 11:59 AM Can instant spells be played before the upkeep phase? For example, I have just Donated my Illusions of Grandeur to the opposing player. Can I play a Mana Short before his upkeep so that he can't pay the cumulative upkeep? __________________ ali_babamotl@hotmail.com www.ali_baba.com
FyreStar Member	posted March 03, 2003 12:18 PM quote: Originally posted by ali_baba: Can instant spells be played before the upkeep phase? For example, I have just Donated my Illusions of Grandeur to the opposing player. Can I play a Mana Short before his upkeep so that he can't pay the cumulative upkeep? Nope. The only step before the Upkeep Step is the Untap Step, and no players receive priority during the Untap Step. You won't have a chance to Mana Short your opponent before the Upkeep Step starts. However, the cumulative upkeep cost for Illusions of Grandeur is a triggered ability. That means that it goes on the stack at the beginning of the upkeep, and when it resolves, the controller of the Illusions must pay a certain amount. If you wait for that to go on the stack, then play Mana Short in response, your opponent won't have any land mana with which to pay the cumulative upkeep when the Illusions trigger resolves. __________________ You can't cheat an honest man.

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