posted February 14, 2003 01:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Akki:
Wrong. Cycling is an ability of the card; it still "knows" all the attributes of the card. Creatures with protection from Red will not take damage from Slice and Dice, and neither will creatures with protection from instants and sorceries. This has been covered on the magic mailing list, and possibly also in Saturday School on mtg.com

You should ask rules questions to people who have a clue what they're talking about - try Saturday School, starcity's Ask the Judge, or ask on IRC on EFNet's #mtgjudge.

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{W},{Tap}: Target permanent you control gains protection from instant spells and from sorcery spells until end of turn.

A triggered ability is clearly not a spell, so something with the protection given by Caretaker would still die to a cycled Slice and Dice (although a creature with protection from red would not).

posted February 14, 2003 02:18 AM            

Matt

posted February 14, 2003 02:49 AM            

After that the abilities of the Non-Active player are added to the stack, picking targets and in the order he chooses.

After that the abilities (pseudospells) start resolving LIFO (last-in, first-out).

If Gilded Drakes and Faceless Butchers are coming into play on both sides, things get interesting and this situation is not advantageous for the caster of Living Death, as he has to pick targets first and the NAP can pick targets after that and plan the exact course of the events.

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posted February 15, 2003 02:41 AM         

What happens if i attack with Force of Nature and he blocks with Wall of Shadows and does he still take 7 trample damage

I play shivan dragon and someone forbid it and does he still draw a card from Rhystic Study.

posted February 15, 2003 03:12 AM            

1 damage has to be assigned to the Wall of Shadows. The remaining 7 may be assigned to either the Wall of Shadows or your opponent as you desire.

I play shivan dragon and someone forbid it and does he still draw a card from Rhystic Study.

Rhystic Study Current Rules Text
Whenever an opponent plays a spell, you may draw a card unless that player pays {1}.

posted February 15, 2003 12:53 PM            

If my opponent uses my Scandalmonger on me, or alternatively, copies a Chain of Smog that I played, targetting me.. can I discard a Dodecapod or a Metrognome and get the discard trigger thing?

posted February 15, 2003 01:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Pixie Dust:
Hiya.

If my opponent uses my Scandalmonger on me, or alternatively, copies a Chain of Smog that I played, targetting me.. can I discard a Dodecapod or a Metrognome and get the discard trigger thing?

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posted February 15, 2003 03:29 PM            

Although I'm staying mono-black on this.

posted February 16, 2003 09:10 AM         

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Originally posted by FyreStar:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Akki:
[b]Wrong. Cycling is an ability of the card; it still "knows" all the attributes of the card. Creatures with protection from Red will not take damage from Slice and Dice, and neither will creatures with protection from instants and sorceries. This has been covered on the magic mailing list, and possibly also in Saturday School on mtg.com

You should ask rules questions to people who have a clue what they're talking about - try Saturday School, starcity's Ask the Judge, or ask on IRC on EFNet's #mtgjudge.

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{W},{Tap}: Target permanent you control gains protection from instant spells and from sorcery spells until end of turn.

A triggered ability is clearly not a spell, so something with the protection given by Caretaker would still die to a cycled Slice and Dice (although a creature with protection from red would not).

[/B][/QUOTE]

posted February 16, 2003 09:24 AM            

Regarding the protection debate; myself and TunaBoo are correct. Since Devoted Caretaker clearly gives protection from instant and sorcery spells, and something is only a spell when it is cast and put on the stack, a cycled Slice and Dice does not qualify. Cycling is an ability, not a spell

posted February 16, 2003 09:28 AM         

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Originally posted by FyreStar:
grimmer is correct. Local enchantments target something when they are cast as spells. When put directly into play via Nomad Mythmaker, they do not.

Regarding the protection debate; myself and TunaBoo are correct. Since Devoted Caretaker clearly gives protection from instant and sorcery [b]spells, and something is only a spell when it is cast and put on the stack, a cycled Slice and Dice does not qualify. Cycling is an ability, not a spell

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Thank you so much. Man, you're good at this stuff.

posted February 17, 2003 07:02 PM         

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Originally posted by flavor_of_the_weak:
Want happens if i attack with a 3/3 and my opponent said he will take the 3 damage and i boost it up by +2/+2 and my opponent then Swords to Plowshares it afterwards.

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So the +2 / +2 is on the stack. In response, he gets STP'd. So STP resolves, you gain 3 life. Then the +2/+2 has no target, so it is countered on resolution.

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posted February 18, 2003 07:15 AM            

1. If I play a Morphed creature, can I unmorph it the same turn? I mean, morph costs go around summoning sickness?

2. I have a Soulcatcher's Aerie in play with 3 counters on it, + a Suntail Hawk. for whatever reason I cast Akroma's Blessing giving the Hawk protection from white until end of turn. Does it still keep the counters from the Aerie so it turns back to 1/1?

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posted February 18, 2003 12:32 PM         

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Originally posted by AEther Storm:
I've been bothered by this for some time:

1. If I play a Morphed creature, can I unmorph it the same turn? I mean, morph costs go around summoning sickness?

2. I have a Soulcatcher's Aerie in play with 3 counters on it, + a Suntail Hawk. for whatever reason I cast Akroma's Blessing giving the Hawk protection from white until end of turn. Does it still keep the counters from the Aerie so it turns back to 1/1?

thanks

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1) Sickness stops you from using stuff with a TAP in it. Morph does not use a TAP, so it does not care if a card is sick.

2) Soulcatcher does not target, it is a global effect. Same reason pro white doesn't save you from wrath of god - the bird still gets +3/+3.

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posted February 18, 2003 12:34 PM         

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Originally posted by Akki:
Wrong. Cycling is an ability of the card; it still "knows" all the attributes of the card. Creatures with protection from Red will not take damage from Slice and Dice, and neither will creatures with protection from instants and sorceries. This has been covered on the magic mailing list, and possibly also in Saturday School on mtg.com

You should ask rules questions to people who have a clue what they're talking about - try Saturday School, starcity's Ask the Judge, or ask on IRC on EFNet's #mtgjudge.

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Don't tell me I am wrong.

This same question was asked on the judges list and answered by Rune, so STFU.

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posted February 20, 2003 07:47 AM            

i was told by a judge that when you cycle krosan tusker you search for the land and then draw a card. i thought it was the other way around.

my logic is that the ability goes on the stack when you cycle the card and cycling includes the dicard and drawing of a card. so i don't see how you would draw the card after everything.

i was told that they both use the stack or something. and the discard/darw goes on the stack and then the search goes on the stack so that search resolves first. someone tell me what's going on

posted February 20, 2003 08:02 AM            

The "When you cycle ~this~..." part is a triggered ability that will be put on the stack when the card is cycled. Cycling is an activated ability (you may announce it and pay the costs whenever you have priority). The cycling should be read as...(2G, Discard this card from your hand: Draw a card.)

The part before the ":" is the cost, the part after is the effect. You announce you are cycling the Tusker and pay the costs (discard the Tusker and pay G2). "Draw a card" goes on the stack. This triggers the "when you cycle ~this~" trigger which will be put on the stack the next time a player gets priority. Therefore, when you get priority after announcing the Tusker's cycling the stack will be :

--Top of Stack
Search for a basic land
Draw a card
--Bottom of stack

posted February 20, 2003 08:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Squirrel Ritual:
1. Can threaten target a untapped creature?
2. What happens if I threaten a creature and sacrifice on the same turn?
3. Can I threaten my own creature? If so what happens at End of turn?

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1) Yes
2) The creature dies
3) Your creature gains Haste and untaps, you retain control of it at EOT.

posted February 20, 2003 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Squirrel Ritual:
1. Can threaten target a untapped creature?
2. What happens if I threaten a creature and sacrifice on the same turn?
3. Can I threaten my own creature? If so what happens at End of turn?

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2. It goes to its owner's graveyard and stays there.

3. Yes. At end of turn, you will "gain control" of it. Since you already control it, nothing will happen.

posted February 20, 2003 08:39 PM            

if so, i got a bad ruling that possibly lost me first place in a legions draft!