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Topic: Rulings Thread Part 21! Ask your rules questions here!
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dragongeneral2003
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posted December 06, 2003 08:30 AM
 
I was wondering, lets say my opponent has 6 elves in play at one time, 2 being timberwatch elves, two being other elves and 2 being 1/1 elf tokens. I have two creatures on my side of the field. he attacks with all elves except the 2 timberwatch. I block his biggest guys. can my opponent then tap the timberwatch elves to boost his 2 elves that I didn't block.please pm me with the answer
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axn
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posted December 06, 2003 09:13 AM
sorry, didn't make myself clear@dragongeneral2003
yes, most definitely
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Wagamer
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posted December 06, 2003 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by Goblinbeatdown:
If there is a Chalice on 2 can you consume spirit for say like 12? or does the chalice counter it?
Yes, you may cast consume spirit and as long as you make the "X" 1 or more the Chalice on 2 will not counter it.
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evilempire22
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posted December 06, 2003 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by da-odd-templar:
axn is wrong on that matter, combat damage has a specific definition in magic...Combat Damage: Combat damage is dealt during the combat damage step of the combat phase by attacking creatures and blocking creatures. It doesn't include
damage dealt by spells and abilities during the combat phase. See rule 310, "Combat Damage Step.
Thanks for the clarification, I wanted to get a second opinion. --Evil
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Goblinbeatdown
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posted December 06, 2003 10:47 AM
Ok one more situation before i leave.My opponent has 2 active sharpshooters on the table and 7 other goblins(1 a sledder) I cycle a card and shoot his sharpshooter for 2 with my lightning rift. Can he respond by sacrificing all of his goblins 1 at a time and shooting me for 2?
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Vampric Doctor
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posted December 06, 2003 10:51 AM
Yes, the rift ability will go on the stack and he can respond by using sledder on as many goblins as he wants and shoot you for each of them.__________________
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jasongerke
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posted December 06, 2003 06:03 PM
When you play a card like buried alive, entomb, or intuiton, which card(s) go on the top of your graveyard? The card(s) searched for or the card being played?
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axn
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posted December 06, 2003 06:13 PM
cards being searched for go into the graveyard first
the tutor is put into the graveyard as the final part of resolution and will be on top of the searched cards
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gzeiger
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posted December 06, 2003 07:33 PM
The previous answer about Platinum Angel is not correct - it does not prevent you from losing the game due to external factors involving tournament organization. It won't stop you from conceding, receiving a game loss for illegal activities, or remove the sudden-death constraints. Sudden death is only used in elimination tournaments, so it shouldn't come up much, but if it does the tournament rule overrides the game rule.
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Iabtu
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posted December 07, 2003 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by Iabtu:
After the 5 Extra Turns in Swiss the game will be a draw if you didn't kill them. In sudden death, you will cannot lose if you have the Angel in play. But you still need to win by making there life total less than yours, decking them or some other means.
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Originally posted by gzeiger:
The previous answer about Platinum Angel is not correct - it does not prevent you from losing the game due to external factors involving tournament organization. It won't stop you from conceding, receiving a game loss for illegal activities, or remove the sudden-death constraints. Sudden death is only used in elimination tournaments, so it shouldn't come up much, but if it does the tournament rule overrides the game rule.
Platinum Angel prevents you from losing in the game, you can still of course get a game loss outside the game. Sudden Death is used in the Top 8 portion of most large tournaments, except for the finals of the top 8. As it was discussed in the DCI-Judge list last week or so, the "Sudden Death" rule was an additional state-based effect, making it a game rule not a tournament rule. I strongly believe Platinum Angel will prevent your opponent from winning during the sudden death portion, but you still have to win by some means. __________________
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Dark_Watcher
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posted December 08, 2003 03:26 AM
This is a little stupid but since im running it, i thought i would ask to make sureSometimes when running my BW recycle i end up with exhume, 2 b/w lands and a cabal therapy in my hand, as well as an akroma I can cast cabal therapy naming akroma targeting myself then i have to reveal my hand to everyone (my opponent) and then i take akroma and put it in the graveyard
then i 2nd turn exhume for the angel of wrath if i were to swamp+cromemox+black card+cabal ritual+cabal therapy+akroma+exhume... thats a turn 1 version of this this is all ok right? (most of the time, i therapy and durress my opponent and burried and reanimate/exhume/recure reya to get things going) thanks
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da-odd-templar
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posted December 08, 2003 04:31 AM
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Originally posted by Dark_Watcher:
This is a little stupid but since im running it, i thought i would ask to make sureSometimes when running my BW recycle i end up with exhume, 2 b/w lands and a cabal therapy in my hand, as well as an akroma I can cast cabal therapy naming akroma targeting myself then i have to reveal my hand to everyone (my opponent) and then i take akroma and put it in the graveyard
then i 2nd turn exhume for the angel of wrath if i were to swamp+cromemox+black card+cabal ritual+cabal therapy+akroma+exhume... thats a turn 1 version of this this is all ok right? (most of the time, i therapy and durress my opponent and burried and reanimate/exhume/recure reya to get things going) thanks
Yeah it's all legal.
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meep
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posted December 09, 2003 11:04 AM
I was playing against a deck that had confusion in the ranks and grip of chaos in it during a group game. MAN, what a crazy deck! Everyone (except the dufous who was playing the deck) ended up conceding. Anyway, lots of questions about it...If I play a card like say... mogg maniac while confusion in the ranks is in play. can I play the creature, put exchange creatures on the stack, sack the mogg before control is exchanged and end up with the opponents creature? If I have a goblin bombardment while grip of chaos is in play and 10 goblins, and I want to sack all my goblins to do 10 damage, if I sack the first goblin, can I sack another goblin or all the other goblins in response so they are not considered random targets with the grip in play? Thanks, that's all for now.
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grimmer
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posted December 09, 2003 11:34 AM
Confusion in the Ranks Current Rules Text
Whenever an artifact, creature, or enchantment comes into play, its controller chooses target permanent another player controls that shares a type with it. Exchange control of those permanents. Grip of Chaos Current Rules Text
Whenever a spell or ability is put onto the stack, if it has a single target, reselect its target at random. (Select from among all legal targets.) quote:
If I play a card like say... mogg maniac while confusion in the ranks is in play. can I play the creature, put exchange creatures on the stack, sack the mogg before control is exchanged and end up with the opponents creature?
No. If one of the creatures is no longer in play when the trigger resolves, no exchange can be made. quote:
If I have a goblin bombardment while grip of chaos is in play and 10 goblins, and I want to sack all my goblins to do 10 damage, if I sack the first goblin, can I sack another goblin or all the other goblins in response so they are not considered random targets with the grip in play?
When you announce that you're activating the Bombardment, you sacrifice a creature and choose a target which triggers Grip of Chaos. After these abilities go on the stack, you get priority again and may activate the Bombardment again. As long as you sacrifice all the goblins in succession without passing priority, the only legal targets will be you and your opponent (assuming a 2-player game). The target is only chosen randomly when the triggered ability of Grip of Chaos resolves.
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moxdiamd
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posted December 09, 2003 01:09 PM
Not really a card ruling, but a game ruling. If a opponent gets to look at my hand, say with a duress, can they write down what else is in my hand on paper?__________________
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Wagamer
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posted December 09, 2003 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by moxdiamd:
Not really a card ruling, but a game ruling. If a opponent gets to look at my hand, say with a duress, can they write down what else is in my hand on paper?
Nope edit: you do not have to show them your hand and let them write down what you have, you show them your hand, they have a resonable time, say (10 sec) to pick and then you quit showing them your hand. They may then take notes.
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Iabtu
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posted December 09, 2003 03:34 PM
Wagamer is Wrongquote:
Originally posted by moxdiamd:
Not really a card ruling, but a game ruling. If a opponent gets to look at my hand, say with a duress, can they write down what else is in my hand on paper?
Yes they can. As long as it's done in a timely fashion.
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[Edited 1 times, lastly by Iabtu on December 09, 2003]
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NoobieToTheBone
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posted December 09, 2003 04:32 PM
Is this legal or at least bad sportsmanship?? Furnace of Rath in play and then somebody plays a Browbeat and says let me draw 3 cards or you take FIVE damage?
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da-odd-templar
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posted December 09, 2003 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by NoobieToTheBone:
Is this legal or at least bad sportsmanship?? Furnace of Rath in play and then somebody plays a Browbeat and says let me draw 3 cards or you take FIVE damage?
It's legal, yes. That's not really cheating imo. If the opponent doesn't realize how Furnace and burn work together, his fault. However, to judge if it's bad sportsmanship, it really depends on if the Browbeat player knew the 5 would double, and is just doing it to try to trick him into taking the damage (perhaps this would kill the opponent). Anybody else have an opinion?
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samus_ssp
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posted December 09, 2003 05:54 PM
In the higher level tournoments this could very well fall under the catagory of "card misrepresentation", which is illigal. I remember being told by a judge that it is illegal to say "counter that" when I cast a circular logic. Im sure this is unpunishable in any REL 1 tournoment, but I am not a judge so I can not be positive otherwise, I am only speculating.It is certently bad sportsmanship if it was intended to trick an opponent.
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Dark_Watcher
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posted December 09, 2003 07:23 PM
Ok!I am interested in the writen cards down thing with say duress, can i do that? Or not? And! If i have:
Shaman en-Kor
Worthy Cause
Angelic Protector Can i target the protector like 3,000 times and gain tons of life? Or do u need say, a lightning grieves to do it (and switch it back and forth) This is for a test of endurance game. Thanks
-DW
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Iabtu
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posted December 09, 2003 08:14 PM
Actually I think saying I draw three cards unless you want to take 5 damage is what should be said. Browbeat only deals 5 damage, it gets replaced to 10 damage but technically that's what happens.. I wouldn't penalize the player at all, unless he says something like, "Come on, it's only 5 damage" and then when the opponent does he laughs at them and informs them it's doubled. Basically, if I felt he was trying to trick his opponent I might give him a warning.
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Originally posted by Dark_Watcher:
Ok!I am interested in the writen cards down thing with say duress, can i do that? Or not?
Again you can, someone who knows what their talking about will back me up on this.
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If i have:
Shaman en-Kor
Worthy Cause
Angelic Protector Can i target the protector like 3,000 times and gain tons of life? Or do u need say, a lightning grieves to do it (and switch it back and forth) This is for a test of endurance game. Thanks
-DW
It's perfectly legal to do that combo... but what makes you think you mioght need a lightning Greaves???Shaman Encor's ability is... 0: Next 1 point of damage that would be dealt to the Shaman is dealt to target creature instead. ^ The abilities activation cost is 0, you may use it as much as you like and every time you use it and target the Protector, it will trigger the +0/+3 trigger.
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revenger
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posted December 10, 2003 08:16 AM
Need some clarity on Duplicant.Says "Remove target nontoken crture from the game, this card is imprinted on Duplicant." Ok exactly what creature can I remove? any opponenets? one of mine? one in my hand? ~Revenger __________________
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axn
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posted December 10, 2003 08:57 AM
any creature IN PLAY which is not a token and may be the target of abilities from artifact creature sources (ie no protection from creatures or artifacts or may not be the target of spells or abilities)
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samus_ssp
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posted December 10, 2003 11:50 AM
Always take magic cards litteraly. If it says "target creature" that means you can pick a creature. If there are no restrictions then you can take any creature. Do note that creatures only exist in play. There are never creatures in your hand, library, or graveyard. There they are called creature cards.
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