posted September 22, 2004 10:19 AM            

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Originally posted by grimlock_69:
so, even if you choose not to transfer the modular token(s), you still have to choose a target? *incredulous stare*

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You wait until the trigger ability resolves and then you choose whether or not to use the modular ability.

With Horobi out when you choose a target for the modular trigger, the ability given by Horobi will trigger and will go on the stack on top of the modular. So the creature will get destroyed first and then the modular trigger will be countered on resolution because it has no target any more.

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Originally posted by DarkTrader:
I have a Price of glory in play...during my turn, I tap my icy manipulator to tap one land in my opponent mana pool. Does this cause the land to be destoryed?

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Nope, Price of Glory requires the player to tap the land for mana, tapping a land by some other means will have no effect.

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posted September 22, 2004 10:20 AM            

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Originally posted by DarkTrader:
I have a Price of glory in play...during my turn, I tap my icy manipulator to tap one land in my opponent mana pool. Does this cause the land to be destoryed?

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Price of Glory reads "Whenever a player taps a land for mana during another player's turn, destroy that land."

Tapping a land with an Icy is NOT tapping it for mana. Unless for some reason they respond to the Icy's ability by tapping it for mana to cast a spell, the land will not be destroyed.

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posted September 22, 2004 10:22 AM            

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Originally posted by da-odd-templar:
You are a TO Iabtu? I never read people's sigs usually, so I'm surprised. How big of a TO?

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Not a premiere TO, I can't run PTQ's, GPT's, or JSS challenges.

I run FNM, Arena League, sanctioned booster drafts whenever the players want, and I'm gonna try to get a city championship going where I can offer some cash money to the winner to get to states, which is a 2 hour drive away.

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posted September 22, 2004 02:06 PM         

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Originally posted by DarkTrader:
I have a Price of glory in play...during my turn, I tap my icy manipulator to tap one land in my opponent mana pool. Does this cause the land to be destoryed?

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posted September 23, 2004 09:06 AM            

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posted September 23, 2004 09:12 AM            

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Originally posted by SquishySquid:
Ok if I imprint a Swords to Plowshares on a Isochron Scepter and then use a sculpting steel to copy it, will it copy just the Scepter or will it also copy the imprint?

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You will need to imprint a new card on the Sculpting Steel if you wish to use it.

From Saturday School, a similar situation:

"Q: Please explain what happens if I copy my Soul Foundry with Sculpting Steel. Will it make the same creature as the original, can I imprint a new card, or will it not make anything?

A:Soul Foundry comes into play as a copy of Soul Foundry, with the same text. It can't copy the card imprinted by the original, but it does have the comes-into-play imprint ability, that lets you remove another card from the game. The Scuplting Steel-copy can only make creatures copies of the card specifically removed to it, not of the card removed to the original."

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posted September 24, 2004 09:35 AM            

I was playing magic thursday(last night) and I ran into 2 guys who thought they knew it all. I proved them wrong on one of their "rulings" but they refused to believe they are wrong on one let alone both so i told them i'd post here and we'd use that as the ruling

Ruling 1:

He's at 3 life. I have a ravager and 3 disciples on the table. I sack ravager to itself. he says in response i echoing truth your disciples. I say i sack ravager to itself again. he said i could do it because i've already sacked it and so on. But i say i can do it because the ability went on the sack and hasnt resolved yet therefore he's still ion play and i can still sack stuff to him including himself. so who is right here?

Ruling 2: (this is the one i believe 1 won since it was 11-2 in my favor same decks since he's paly reanimate type 1 and i'm playing ravager type 2)

i get him down to 7 with the help of cranial plating and I'm down to 6 via big creatures.
i have 9 artifacts on board and ravager. He casts exhume getting back a laqutos champion and i get back disciple of the vault. he claims that his laqutos champion kills me as soon as it hits play and i say the ability goes on the stack when it hits play since it says target player therefore i can respond by sacking 7 artifacts and killing him before his laqatos ability triggers and kills me. he continues to argue that his champions ability resolves before i have a response phase and this goes on for like 30 mins before people start comming over and telling them i'm right buuuuut they refuse to believe so so which of us is right?

since i refused to play anymore games with him because i thought he was just retarded am i 2-0 against him 1-1 or 0-2?

posted September 24, 2004 10:05 AM            

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Originally posted by 29007:
alright i got a couple of quick question.

I was playing magic thursday(last night) and I ran into 2 guys who thought they knew it all. I proved them wrong on one of their "rulings" but they refused to believe they are wrong on one let alone both so i told them i'd post here and we'd use that as the ruling

Ruling 1:

He's at 3 life. I have a ravager and 3 disciples on the table. I sack ravager to itself. he says in response i echoing truth your disciples. I say i sack ravager to itself again. he said i could do it because i've already sacked it and so on. But i say i can do it because the ability went on the sack and hasnt resolved yet therefore he's still ion play and i can still sack stuff to him including himself. so who is right here?

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he's right, you're wrong...a sacrifice doesn't use the stack, it just happens...the TRIGGER from that sacrifice, i.e. the disciples life loss, DOES use the stack...therefore, this is what happens...you announce the sacrificing of the ravager and place it into the graveyard...the disciple trigger goes on the stack...your opponent echoing truths the disciples...they return to your hand (you can't sacrifice the ravager a second time in response because it's no longer in play...again, a sacrifice happens immediately upon announcing it, it doesn't use the stack)...then your opponent dies due to the trigger already being on the stack (correct me if i'm wrong about that part, i know i'm right about not being able to sacrifice the same thing twice)

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Ruling 2: (this is the one i believe 1 won since it was 11-2 in my favor same decks since he's paly reanimate type 1 and i'm playing ravager type 2)

i get him down to 7 with the help of cranial plating and I'm down to 6 via big creatures.
i have 9 artifacts on board and ravager. He casts exhume getting back a laqutos champion and i get back disciple of the vault. he claims that his laqutos champion kills me as soon as it hits play and i say the ability goes on the stack when it hits play since it says target player therefore i can respond by sacking 7 artifacts and killing him before his laqatos ability triggers and kills me. he continues to argue that his champions ability resolves before i have a response phase and this goes on for like 30 mins before people start comming over and telling them i'm right buuuuut they refuse to believe so so which of us is right?

since i refused to play anymore games with him because i thought he was just retarded am i 2-0 against him 1-1 or 0-2?

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again, he's right and you're wrong...coming into play abilities resolve before you have a chance to respond to them with the creature that you have coming into play at the same time...his ability will resolve as the champ and the disciple hit the board, so you'll die before you can sac artifacts to the disciple

posted September 24, 2004 10:09 AM            

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Originally posted by 29007:
alright i got a couple of quick question.
Ruling 1:

He's at 3 life. I have a ravager and 3 disciples on the table. I sack ravager to itself. he says in response i echoing truth your disciples. I say i sack ravager to itself again. he said i could do it because i've already sacked it and so on. But i say i can do it because the ability went on the sack and hasnt resolved yet therefore he's still ion play and i can still sack stuff to him including himself. so who is right here?

-You're both wrong, in a way. The sacrifice is part of the cost of the Ravager's ability, not the effect, so it goes directly to the grave without anything having to resolve off the stack. As such, you can't sacrifice the same Ravager to itself multiple times. However, because the Ravager goes directly to the grave, your Disciples trigger before he ever has a chance to return them. After the abilities are already on the stack he can certainly ET them, but at that point it's too late because the abilities are already on the stack and he dies when they resolve.

Ruling 2: (this is the one i believe 1 won since it was 11-2 in my favor same decks since he's paly reanimate type 1 and i'm playing ravager type 2)

i get him down to 7 with the help of cranial plating and I'm down to 6 via big creatures.
i have 9 artifacts on board and ravager. He casts exhume getting back a laqutos champion and i get back disciple of the vault. he claims that his laqutos champion kills me as soon as it hits play and i say the ability goes on the stack when it hits play since it says target player therefore i can respond by sacking 7 artifacts and killing him before his laqatos ability triggers and kills me. he continues to argue that his champions ability resolves before i have a response phase and this goes on for like 30 mins before people start comming over and telling them i'm right buuuuut they refuse to believe so so which of us is right?

-I'm fairly certain you're in the right on this one.

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[edit]: Beaten to the punch... with inaccurate information, I believe.

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Originally posted by grimlock_69:
again, he's right and you're wrong...coming into play abilities resolve before you have a chance to respond to them with the creature that you have coming into play at the same time...his ability will resolve as the champ and the disciple hit the board, so you'll die before you can sac artifacts to the disciple

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but here's what happens:
-Exhume resolves, returning Disciple and Champion to play.
-Champion's ability goes on the stack, and the opponent then presumably passes priority.
-The original poster then sacrifices 7 artifacts to his Ravager, placing 7 Disciple triggers on the stack above the Champion damage.
-The players pass priority back and forth through the Disciple triggers. After the 7th one (the first one to go on the stack) resolves, the opponent regains priority before the Champion triggers resolve. At this point, state-based effects are checked, one player (the opponent) has 0 life while the original poster still has life, and therefore he wins.

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posted September 24, 2004 10:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Lunk:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but here's what happens:
-Exhume resolves, returning Disciple and Champion to play.
-Champion's ability goes on the stack, and the opponent then presumably passes priority.
-The original poster then sacrifices 7 artifacts to his Ravager, placing 7 Disciple triggers on the stack above the Champion damage.
-The players pass priority back and forth through the Disciple triggers. After the 7th one (the first one to go on the stack) resolves, the opponent regains priority before the Champion triggers resolve. At this point, state-based effects are checked, one player (the opponent) has 0 life while the original poster still has life, and therefore he wins.

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ok, i recognize that i was wrong here...i posted it with confidence, but when i reread it afterwards, i went to do some research, and was back to edit it, but was myself beaten to the punch...oh, well, now i know...and knowing is half the battle

posted September 26, 2004 07:03 PM            

i have 2 Pristine Angel in play. Both are tapped. I cast brainstorm. They both untap right?

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posted September 26, 2004 07:29 PM            

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Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
k another noob question.

i have 2 Pristine Angel in play. Both are tapped. I cast brainstorm. They both untap right?

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Yep, although they untap at slightly different times.

The abilities stack seperately but both will resolve before the Brainstorm does.

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posted September 26, 2004 11:04 PM            

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Originally posted by supera:
If I have a Mox Diamond in play when I cast Animate Dead on my Worldgorger Dragon, do I have to discard a land each time it returns to play? Since it only says "As an additional cost" I can use it to generate "An Arbitrarily large amount of mana", right?

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Right

As an additional cost to play Mox Diamond, discard a land card.

Only have to drop a land when you cast it from your hand.

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posted September 27, 2004 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by jbug23:
if i have a jinxed choker in play, and opponent has an ivory mask out, does this keep him from being the targeted opponent, as worded on the choker?
mask reads can't be the target of spells or abilities, would the choker targeting work that way or do i stay stuck with it in this case?

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At the end of your turn, target opponent gains control of Jinxed Choker and puts a charge counter on it.
At the beginning of your upkeep, Jinxed Choker deals damage to you equal to the number of charge counters on it.
: Put a charge counter on Jinxed Choker or remove one from it.

When you get to the end of your turn, the ability triggers, you need to choose a target at this time, if you only have one opponent and he has an Ivory Mask out, you have no legal target and the whole ability won't be placed on the stack. It won't recieve a counter and you'll still control it.

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posted September 29, 2004 12:20 AM         

Oni Possession read as follos:
At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice a creature.
Enchanted creature gets +3/+3 and has trample.
Enchanted creature is a Demon Spirit.

Mind you... he cast it on my creature. Will someone please confirm or deny that I'm right? After the tons of study I've done on the rules, I'd hope I can get this right.

BTW, he said that the judges agreed with him at the pre-release on how this works. I was shocked and lost a little more faith in the judging system.

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posted September 29, 2004 02:18 AM            

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Originally posted by chaos021:
I just played an online sealed deck game, and my friend cast Oni Possession on my creature. I read it, looked at him and laughed. So on the following turn, he told me to sac my creature during my upkeep. I told him he was wrong and that he still has to sac his own creatures during his upkeep.

Oni Possession read as follos:
At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice a creature.
Enchanted creature gets +3/+3 and has trample.
Enchanted creature is a Demon Spirit.

Mind you... he cast it on my creature. Will someone please confirm or deny that I'm right? After the tons of study I've done on the rules, I'd hope I can get this right.

BTW, he said that the judges agreed with him at the pre-release on how this works. I was shocked and lost a little more faith in the judging system.

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posted September 29, 2004 02:25 AM            

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Originally posted by chaos021:
I just played an online sealed deck game, and my friend cast Oni Possession on my creature. I read it, looked at him and laughed. So on the following turn, he told me to sac my creature during my upkeep. I told him he was wrong and that he still has to sac his own creatures during his upkeep.

Oni Possession read as follos:
At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice a creature.
Enchanted creature gets +3/+3 and has trample.
Enchanted creature is a Demon Spirit.

Mind you... he cast it on my creature. Will someone please confirm or deny that I'm right? After the tons of study I've done on the rules, I'd hope I can get this right.

BTW, he said that the judges agreed with him at the pre-release on how this works. I was shocked and lost a little more faith in the judging system.

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posted September 29, 2004 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by chaos021:
BTW, he said that the judges agreed with him at the pre-release on how this works. I was shocked and lost a little more faith in the judging system.

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Whenever a magic player is wrong but thinks he's right, he'll say that some judge told him that. I have people do it to me when I'm playing and I have to tell them that I'm a judge and that I am right, then they start to change their minds about whatever we were arguing, then I call the judge over and step aside to tell him what happened and that if my opponent tries it again to DQ him for cheating. There are plenty of dishonest players out there who like to find new ways to cheat. "My friend the judge told me so," is one of them.

Usually at bigger tournaments there are quite a few judges, you can always ask to appeal the ruling to the head judge if you think the floor judge is wrong.

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