posted August 09, 2004 06:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Goaswerfraiejen:
I was watching a draft the other day, and Sundering Titan came out. Anyhow, I was wondering... do you get to splotch two of your opponent's lands as well? Because the way the card reads, you should only be splotching your own. Or so it seems to me.

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They can be your opponents' lands and/or your own, but you must destroy a land of every type possible. From Saturday School - http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/satschoolarchive&term=sundering_titan

"Q: With Sundering Titan, can you select to destroy any land, or only lands you control?

A: You can choose any land in play, both your own and your opponents, but only one of each land type. You have to choose one land of each type if there is one, it doesn’t matter who controls the lands.
If a land has multiple land types, for example like the dual land Taiga, you can choose the same land for all its types if you want to."

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posted August 09, 2004 09:06 PM            

E.G.
1. You say "I am playing Phyrexian Arena"
2. Phyrexian Arena leaves your hand
3. You tap and sacrifice Lion's Eye Diamond, and discard your hand.
4. Phyrexian Arena hits the table.

I'm fairly sure the answer to that question is 'yes', which gave rise to this one:

Can you announce multiple spells before paying the mana cost for them? Does that mean none of the cards are in your hand for discard effects? (Obviously assuming all the cards can be played as fast effects)

E.G.
1. You say "I am playing 3 Lightning Bolts"
2. Three lightning bolt cards leave your hand
3. You tap and sacrifice 'Lion's Eye Diamond', and discard your hand.
4. Three Lightning Bolt cards hit their respective target(s).

I'm pretty sure that's a "no", but if anyone has an in-depth explanation as to why either is possible or not, I'd really appreciate it.

I've been given a very cursory brief on how the 'locking in of affinity' principle works (announcing playing a spell with affinity for a number, and then lowering the number of artifacts on the table without affecting the mana cost), and to be frank, I'm still not sure why it really works that way (Unless it really is as simple as "You always play spells before paying for them").

posted August 09, 2004 10:09 PM         

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Originally posted by ReallyLongTypist:
Can you announce a spell before paying the mana cost for it? Does that mean the card is not in your hand for discard effects? (Specifically as it relates to 'Lion's Eye Diamond')

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However, your idea with Lion's Eye Diamond doesn't work. Here's the Oracle text:

Lion's Eye Diamond
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Artifact
Sacrifice Lion's Eye Diamond, Discard your hand: Add three mana of any one color to your mana pool. Play this ability only any time you could play an instant.

You can't play instants while you're in the middle of playing a spell or ability, so you can't activate Lion's Eye Diamond to pay for a spell that you have already announced.

The steps in playing a spell or ability are:

1. Announce the spell or ability and put it on the stack.

2. Choose mode if the spell or ability is modal; choose alternate, additional or special costs if any.

3. Choose target(s), if any.

4. If the spell or ability is targetted and affects different targets in different ways, choose how each target is affected.

5. Determine the cost of the spell or ability.

6. If the cost of the spell or ability includes a mana cost, optionally play mana abilities.

7. Pay the cost of the spell or ability.

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Can you announce multiple spells before paying the mana cost for them? Does that mean none of the cards are in your hand for discard effects? (Obviously assuming all the cards can be played as fast effects)

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No. Except for mana abilities, you can only play spells or abilities when you have priority, and you don't have priority when in the middle of playing a spell or ability.

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I've been given a very cursory brief on how the 'locking in of affinity' principle works (announcing playing a spell with affinity for a number, and then lowering the number of artifacts on the table without affecting the mana cost), and to be frank, I'm still not sure why it really works that way (Unless it really is as simple as "You always play spells before paying for them").

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posted August 10, 2004 10:16 PM            

when i watch my friends play they double block alot i just would like to know whats the rule for that if there is one or if you could give me an example thatd be great thx.

posted August 11, 2004 02:36 AM            

Also Whipcorder's ability to tap a creature must be used before the creature is declared as an attacker right. If my opponenent declares his attacking phase and I don't respond, any creature he taps to attack is considered an attacker.

Finally, a question about modular/timing/proper play.

A little situation occurred in a type 2 tournament that I play in on Sunday. I'm pretty sure I played this wrong and would appreciate it if someone could point out what would be the proper play. I was playing a mirror match against another Ravager deck.

I have 10 life. I have a Myr Enforcer and a Frogmite out (both untapped). A Cranial Plating on my Myr Enforcer. I had 3 artifact lands (I think it was three, my Enforcer worked out to be 10/4) out and a City of Brass. In my hand I had another artifact land and a Shrapnel Blast. I had enough mana to cast anything in my hand, but I don't think I could've moved the Cranial plating from my enforcer to the frogmite.

My oppenent had 16 life. He had an Arcbound Ravager (8 counters on it) and 2 Frogmites in play (one had summoning sickness). He had a Cranial Plating on his Frogmite. He had no cards in hand and 3 lands (Darksteel Citadel and 2 Seat of the Synod).

During his main phase he attacked with the Archbound Ravager and Frogmite. What could I have done to win in this situation?

posted August 11, 2004 06:33 AM         

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Originally posted by ReallyLongTypist:
So what stops it is that Lion's Eye Diamond isn't treated the same as a mana ability? In other words, it's that LED says "play this ability as an instant" that stops it?

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posted August 11, 2004 06:46 AM         

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Originally posted by D12:
when i watch my friends play they double block alot i just would like to know whats the rule for that if there is one or if you could give me an example thatd be great thx.

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posted August 11, 2004 07:19 AM         

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Originally posted by abc_exporters:
If someone casts or uses a mass removal spell (Wrath of God, Engineered Explosives, Prencious Deed, etc.) and I have a Ramosian Sergeant in play, there is no point in getting a rebel is there. Basically, the creature will come into play and then they will all be destroyed.

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Also Whipcorder's ability to tap a creature must be used before the creature is declared as an attacker right. If my opponenent declares his attacking phase and I don't respond, any creature he taps to attack is considered an attacker.

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Finally, a question about modular/timing/proper play.

A little situation occurred in a type 2 tournament that I play in on Sunday. I'm pretty sure I played this wrong and would appreciate it if someone could point out what would be the proper play. I was playing a mirror match against another Ravager deck.

I have 10 life. I have a Myr Enforcer and a Frogmite out (both untapped). A Cranial Plating on my Myr Enforcer. I had 3 artifact lands (I think it was three, my Enforcer worked out to be 10/4) out and a City of Brass. In my hand I had another artifact land and a Shrapnel Blast. I had enough mana to cast anything in my hand, but I don't think I could've moved the Cranial plating from my enforcer to the frogmite.

My oppenent had 16 life. He had an Arcbound Ravager (8 counters on it) and 2 Frogmites in play (one had summoning sickness). He had a Cranial Plating on his Frogmite. He had no cards in hand and 3 lands (Darksteel Citadel and 2 Seat of the Synod).

During his main phase he attacked with the Archbound Ravager and Frogmite. What could I have done to win in this situation?

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posted August 12, 2004 10:12 PM            

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Originally posted by D12:
ok my question is can i only use 4 of the artifact lands such as ancient den or can i use as many as i want not sure on this lmk thx

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Only 4 of each.

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posted August 13, 2004 10:55 PM            

today, playing my madness deck, i attempted to do this

first turn:
Taiga,Lions eye diamond (use, discarding anger, wonder, some other junk arrogant wurm, and rootwalla)...

posted August 13, 2004 11:25 PM         

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Originally posted by Mike_Sully:
okay..my question is this...

today, playing my madness deck, i attempted to do this

first turn:
Taiga,Lions eye diamond (use, discarding anger, wonder, some other junk arrogant wurm, and rootwalla)...

can i use the mana off the lions eye to madness arrogant wurm? I say yes but my buddy says no...

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You probably already know that you cannot use Lion's Eye Diamond to pay the cost of a spell you have already announced, because you can only activate Lion's Eye Diamond when you could play an instant.

posted August 14, 2004 05:42 PM            

If I have fastbond in play and I newfrontiers for 7 and I never played a land that turn. Do I take 0 Damage or 6?

Thanks Ben

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posted August 14, 2004 06:19 PM            

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Originally posted by BenBuhlar:
Quick and easy Question.

If I have fastbond in play and I newfrontiers for 7 and I never played a land that turn. Do I take 0 Damage or 6?

Thanks Ben

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You would take 0. Fastbond only triggers on playing extra land, New Frontiers puts them into play.

posted August 15, 2004 07:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Darkhearted:
I know yall are getting tired of answering questions on aether vial, but i have one. Aether vial has 4 charge counters on it, and all i have is a 3 casting cost creature, can i tap the vial to put the creature into play or do i have to remove counters to equal the casting cost?

Thanks
Dark

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As it states, you may put target creature with CMC "equal" to the number of charge counters while it would say you may put target creature with CMC equal or less to allow your situation.

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posted August 15, 2004 09:56 AM            

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Originally posted by DarkTrader:
One moe thing about morphling! Sine it's toughness can only go down to 1, does it mean that it's toughness is limitless? Can it be a 0/7 creature?

Thanks once again!

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You can turn Morphling into a 6/0, but it will die immediately.

Morphling's toughness can be as large as you have mana to spend. However, it's power will go negative. In your example, Morphling will actually be a -1/7.