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Topic: Rulings Thread, part 26: Post ALL Rules Questions here!
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nderdog
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posted July 30, 2004 12:59 PM
 
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posted July 30, 2004 04:34 PM
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Kemric
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posted July 30, 2004 09:40 PM
Question #1When using cards like Zuran Orb do you go to negative life when u get dealt damage, or only to 0, or can it be different depending on rules for different editions. For example yer at 1 life and get dealt 5, sacrificing a land put you at -2 or 2.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Kemric on July 30, 2004]
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samus_ssp
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posted July 30, 2004 10:32 PM
You would drop to negative five life, but that is not relevent in this case.
State based effects are checked right befor every time a player would get priority.
State based effects include, sending a creature to the graveyard if it has leathal damage or zero or less toughness, sending the second copy of a Legend to the graveyard, and ending the game if a player has the life total of zero or less.
If you go to zero you will lose the game befor you have a chance to respond or resolve anything on the stack. The way to survive these types of situations is to premptivly bring yourself up to a hight enough life total that the damage that is still on the stack will not drop you to zero or less.__________________
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Master
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posted July 31, 2004 08:59 AM
I have some questions about aether vial. 1) When I tap it, do i have to announce that i AM going to put a creature into play? 2) When do i have to say which creature, if any, i will be putting into play. 3) If the above question is when it resolves, does my opponent get to respond to the creature when he knows what it is? This may sound a little confusing but heres an example of how I thought it worked: I tap, announce that I may put a creature into play. Now, this is my opponents time to respond, right? When it resolves, I put my creature into play and its there. Ive had this explained to me like it was lightning rift. I tap it, announce that i might use it, they get time to respond, and when it resolves, I put a creature into play and they cant respond to anything once I put the creature into play. Ive probablly confused you.
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Kage
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posted July 31, 2004 09:57 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Master:
Ive probablly confused you.
Yeah. As far as I can tell, you choose whether or not to put a creature into play as part of the resolution. But what happened that you asked? What did your opponent respond with that could affect it?
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samus_ssp
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posted July 31, 2004 10:16 AM
#1. You tap the Aether Vial to put its ability on the stack.
#2. You have a chance to respond (you pass)
#3. Your opponet has his one and only chance to respond.
#4. Aether Vial's abbility resolves and you chose weather or not to put a creature on the board and if so then take it out of your hand and put it on the board.
#5. Assuming its your turn, you have priority again.__________________
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avery61
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posted July 31, 2004 11:25 AM
If I cast a Grab the Reins on my opponents creature and that creature is tapped does it untap when I gain control of it?
[Edited 2 times, lastly by avery61 on July 31, 2004]
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TaBlah555
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posted July 31, 2004 11:44 AM
quote:
Originally posted by avery61:
If I cast a Grab the Reins on my opponents creature and that creature is tapped does it untap when I gain control of it?
Nope because the card doesn't specifically say "untap target creature." Believe me, I've learned this the hard way.
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*Tedman*
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posted July 31, 2004 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by TaBlah555:
Nope because the card doesn't specifically say "untap target creature." Believe me, I've learned this the hard way.
Ah yes, many have fallen victim to the implied wording. Ray of Command it is not.
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STAT1C_X
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posted July 31, 2004 08:53 PM
Shrapnel Blast on a Scepter: You have to sac an artifact upon every activation, right? I've been told otherwise, but I think that this is incorrect. __________________
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derekthered08
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posted July 31, 2004 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by STAT1C_X:
Shrapnel Blast on a Scepter: You have to sac an artifact upon every activation, right? I've been told otherwise, but I think that this is incorrect.
Yes, the scepter only lets you not pay the casting cost, not any other aditional costs. It's still not a bad deal though.
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KMalone999
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posted August 03, 2004 05:47 PM
Q: My opponent is attacking with a Fangren Firstborn (4/2) and is going into his attack step. Is there any way I can kill it with a Leonin Bladetrap in my hand and 5 mana available before it gets the +1/+1 counter? I've asked 5 people so far and responses: 2 yes, 3 no lol.
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TaBlah555
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posted August 03, 2004 06:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by KMalone999:
Q: My opponent is attacking with a Fangren Firstborn (4/2) and is going into his attack step. Is there any way I can kill it with a Leonin Bladetrap in my hand and 5 mana available before it gets the +1/+1 counter? I've asked 5 people so far and responses: 2 yes, 3 no lol.
Opponent attacks, +1/+1 ability goes on the stack, with the abililty still on the stack you can sacrifice the Bladetrap to kill the Hunter.
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LennyButtacup
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posted August 03, 2004 06:14 PM
no, because the ability on leonin bladetrap states that it deals 2 damage to each "attacking" creature without flying, and therefore you can not use this ability in response to the creature attacking, it must already be attacking, and by this time the firstborn's ability would have already triggered on the stack.
Two questions of my own:
First, Beasts of Bogardan in its original print says "Summon Beasts"... would they work with "beast" support (ie - aether charge) or would their creature type actually be "beasts" and not "beast"? Also, Thought Courier states "Draw a card, then discard a card from your hand". Could you use this along with Circular logic to counter a spell? Or would this not work because it does not reach the stack in time, because you need to draw a card before you can discard a card?
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TaBlah555
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posted August 03, 2004 06:25 PM
quote:
Originally posted by LennyButtacup:
no, because the ability on leonin bladetrap states that it deals 2 damage to each "attacking" creature without flying, and therefore you can not use this ability in response to the creature attacking, it must already be attacking, and by this time the firstborn's ability would have already triggered on the stack.
You might want to learn how the stack works before answering questions in MOTL's rules thread.
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niknight
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posted August 03, 2004 06:27 PM
no, because the ability on leonin bladetrap states that it deals 2 damage to each "attacking" creature without flying, and therefore you can not use this ability in response to the creature attacking, it must already be attacking, and by this time the firstborn's ability would have already triggered on the stack. Two questions of my own: First, Beasts of Bogardan in its original print says "Summon Beasts"... would they work with "beast" support (ie - aether charge) or would their creature type actually be "beasts" and not "beast"? Also, Thought Courier states "Draw a card, then discard a card from your hand". Could you use this along with Circular logic to counter a spell? Or would this not work because it does not reach the stack in time, because you need to draw a card before you can discard a card?
The first part, yes you can kill the Firstborn and here's why:
Firstborn is declared as an attacker. It's ability triggers.
While it's ability is on the stack, you can blast it with the bladetrap. All remaining attackers will get the +1/+1 counter. Beasts of Bogardan is now Creature - Beast. It will cause cards like Aether Charge to trigger. Yes you can use Circular Logic with Thought Courier. You discard Logic and remove it from the game. Thought Courier's ability finishes resolving, and Logic's Madness trigger goes on the stack. When the trigger resolves you may play the Logic countering the original spell.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by niknight on August 03, 2004]
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LennyButtacup
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posted August 03, 2004 06:31 PM
quote:
Originally posted by TaBlah555:
You might want to learn how the stack works before answering questions in MOTL's rules thread.
I was thinking backwards, i was thinking he was trying to respond to the attack and not the trigger, forgive me for being wrong, i wasnt aware you had to be so "elite" to post on MOTL's rules thread.
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TaBlah555
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posted August 03, 2004 06:34 PM
quote:
Originally posted by LennyButtacup:
I was thinking backwards, i was thinking he was trying to respond to the attack and not the trigger, forgive me for being wrong, i wasnt aware you had to be so "elite" to post on MOTL's rules thread.
You don't have to be elite at all to post here at all. Heck, that was my first post here in a long time. It is just confusing to players to have their question answered incorrectly in a thread specifically made so that they would get the correct answer.
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orcishartillery
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posted August 03, 2004 08:07 PM
quote:
Originally posted by derekthered08:
Yes, the scepter only lets you not pay the casting cost, not any other aditional costs. It's still not a bad deal though.
Just a correction on terminology... Isochron Scepter lets you not pay the mana cost, which is shown in the upper right corner of the card. Sacrificing an artifact is part of the casting cost for Shrapnel Blast. Because it's not part of the mana cost, you still have to pay it when using the scepter.
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Mr.C
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posted August 04, 2004 07:08 AM
Can i play with snow-covered lands in extended?
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DarkTrader
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posted August 04, 2004 07:32 AM
If I have a seismic assault in play and then I bring in a Balduvian Horde, which requires me to sac a card in hand, I randomly discard forgotten cave, can I pay then extra mana to forgotten to draw a card?
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orcishartillery
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posted August 04, 2004 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by DarkTrader:
If I have a seismic assault in play and then I bring in a Balduvian Horde, which requires me to sac a card in hand, I randomly discard forgotten cave, can I pay then extra mana to forgotten to draw a card?
No. You cannot play an ability unless you can pay the cost. Discarding the card is part of the cost of cycling, but you've already discarded the Forgotten Cave to the Balduvian Horde's ability, so you can't also discard it to pay the cycling cost. You also cannot play the Seismic Assault ability for the already discarded Forgotten Cave, for the same reason.
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orcishartillery
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posted August 04, 2004 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by Mr.C:
Can i play with snow-covered lands in extended?
No. Snow-covered lands appeared only in Ice Age, which is not legal in Extended.http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=judge/resources/sfrextended
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Pail42
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posted August 04, 2004 12:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by niknight:
Two questions of my own:First, Beasts of Bogardan in its original print says "Summon Beasts"... would they work with "beast" support (ie - aether charge) or would their creature type actually be "beasts" and not "beast"?
In the old rules creature types disregarded sex and number, so "Man", "Woman", "Women", and "Men" were all the same type. I think that wizards went through and gave everything new oracle text so that they could drop the old rule. Thus, Beasts of Bogardan is now type "Creature - Beast"
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