posted August 15, 2004 09:36 PM            

- attack is declared
- opponent gets a chance to respond
- choose attackers
- opponent gets a chance to respond
- opponent declares blockers
- you get a chance to respond
- first strike damage is dealt
- regular combat damage is dealt

in a recent draft, i attacked with a 10/8 Myr Enforcer, and they had a couple of creatures untapped, one that had protection from artifacts, i forget the specific card, anyway, after they declared the creature as a blocker, i then cast echoing truth on the creature. they said that damage went on the stack and the myr enforcer would not deal damage to the player, to which i said that i cast the echoing truth in response to declaring blockers. and we got a judges opinion, and what the judge said was "i dont think that it works that way, so no"

was i right and the damage should have gone through, or was the judge right in what he "thought" was the way combat step went?

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posted August 15, 2004 10:34 PM            

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Originally posted by D12:
can i use salvaging station to bring back lands from the graveyard?

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"Yes, it can. Lands have a converted mana cost of zero, and since it's also an artifact, and not a creature card, it qualifies to be returned by the Salvaging Station."

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/satschoolarchive&term=salvaging_station

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Originally posted by LennyButtacup:
alright, i have a question about how the combat step works, this is how i thought it went:

- attack is declared
- opponent gets a chance to respond
- choose attackers
- opponent gets a chance to respond
- opponent declares blockers
- you get a chance to respond
- first strike damage is dealt
- regular combat damage is dealt

in a recent draft, i attacked with a 10/8 Myr Enforcer, and they had a couple of creatures untapped, one that had protection from artifacts, i forget the specific card, anyway, after they declared the creature as a blocker, i then cast echoing truth on the creature. they said that damage went on the stack and the myr enforcer would not deal damage to the player, to which i said that i cast the echoing truth in response to declaring blockers. and we got a judges opinion, and what the judge said was "i dont think that it works that way, so no"

was i right and the damage should have gone through, or was the judge right in what he "thought" was the way combat step went?

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Per the rulebook - http://www.wizards.com/magic/rules/en_8e_rulebook.pdf

"Once your opponent is DONE declaring blockers, players can play instants and activated abilities."

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"If an attacking creature was blocked at the declare blockers step, it doesn't deal any damage to the defending player. This is true even if all the blockers have left play."

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posted August 15, 2004 11:07 PM            

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Originally posted by DarkTrader:
How many strip mines are we allow to have in one deck? 1 or 4?

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Strip Mine is restricted in T1, banned in 1.5.

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posted August 16, 2004 04:10 PM            

Can Stifle essentially counter any sorcery or instant seeing as the effect on the card is a "triggered" effect of the spell?

posted August 16, 2004 04:17 PM            

also, a spell with entwine or kicker doesn't have an activated ability, these would qualify as additional costs of a card.

so to answer in short, no, you cannot stifle a spell.

EDIT - and dont feel bad about asking questions about stifle, no card in the history of magic has cause as much debate as stifle, infact, they had the change the rules of magic because with the old rules, and stifles ability, you could stifle the first card someone draws on their draw step cancelling the draw. lol.

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posted August 16, 2004 09:48 PM            

So just to be certain, you can's Stifle the primary ability of a spell but you can Stifle triggered or 'secondary' effects...

posted August 16, 2004 10:18 PM            

final fortune cannot be stifled when you cast the card, since the "lose the game" ability doesnt happen right away, you can stifle during your end of turn phase on your second turn phase, since the ability does not trigger until your end of turn phase.

the same is true with any card that has a delayed affect, like awe strike for example, since the ability says "the next time..." the affect does not happen immediately upon playing the spell, and is triggered when that creature deals damage, it can be stifled at that time.

you are almost right by saying you can stifle the "secondary" ability, judging that a spell can have more than 1 primary ability, for example, with the way you are describing it, Last Stand would have 5 primary abilities, and no secondary abilities that you could stifle, however, a card like berserk would have a "secondary" ability of "if target creature attacked this turn, sacrifice it at end of turn" which could be stifled.

EDIT - go here and look up the rules on stifle:

http://www.crystalkeep.com/magic/rules/search.html

there's not much there, but it should give you a good understanding of it

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posted August 16, 2004 10:35 PM            

EDIT: Nevermind, I found this on wizards site

Thirst for Knowledge
2 ManaBlue Mana
Instant
Draw three cards. Then discard two cards from your hand unless you discard an artifact card from your hand.

posted August 17, 2004 05:52 AM            

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Can Stifle essentially counter any sorcery or instant seeing as the effect on the card is a "triggered" effect of the spell?

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Triggered abilities are identified by "when", "whenever", or "at" and are put on the stack when the given event occurs. Look for the words "when", "whenever", or "at" in the current rules text of the card and if it includes one of those words, you can Stifle the ability.

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the same is true with any card that has a delayed affect, like awe strike for example, since the ability says "the next time..." the affect does not happen immediately upon playing the spell, and is triggered when that creature deals damage, it can be stifled at that time.

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This is incorrect. Awe Strike does not set up a delayed trigger because it doesn't include "when", "whenever" or "at". It is damage prevention, so it is a replacement effect. You cannot Stifle anything Awe Strike does.

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you are almost right by saying you can stifle the "secondary" ability, judging that a spell can have more than 1 primary ability, for example, with the way you are describing it, Last Stand would have 5 primary abilities, and no secondary abilities that you could stifle, however, a card like berserk would have a "secondary" ability of "if target creature attacked this turn, sacrifice it at end of turn" which could be stifled.

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This is correct, but it is correct because Berserk (and Final Fortune) set up delayed triggers.

Berserk Current Rules Text:
Play Berserk only before the combat damage step.
Target creature gains trample and gets +X/+0 until end of turn, where X is its power. At end of turn, destroy that creature if it attacked this turn.

Final Fortune Current Rules Text:
Take an extra turn after this one. At the end of that turn, you lose the game.

Awe Strike Current Rules Text:
The next time target creature would deal damage this turn, prevent that damage. You gain life equal to the damage prevented this way.

posted August 20, 2004 06:43 AM         

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Originally posted by Tahngarth666:
What happens when I have Etched Oracle in play (0/0 with sunburst) and it gets destroyed (or I sac it) while an Endless Whispers is in play? Does this create an infinite loop?

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Edit, another question - the following situation: I'm at 1 life and my opponent has one creature in play. I cast Armadillo Cloak on his creature. Do I die from it's attack or do I get the life before I receive the damage. (So does the cloak's ability trigger when I receive the damage, or when the damage goes on the stack?)

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posted August 20, 2004 08:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Kage:
If I sacrifice Krark-Clan Ironworks or Skirk Prospector to itself, do I get the mana?

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posted August 20, 2004 10:57 AM            

Thanks

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posted August 20, 2004 12:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Scopes13mtg:
If I remove Spark Elemental from play with Astral Slide, will it die when it comes back, or will the trigger have missed its time?

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The effect happens every turn it comes into play thus it will be sacrificed at the end of the turn it re-enters play.

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posted August 20, 2004 01:57 PM         

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Originally posted by BenBuhlar:
If I control City of Solitude can My opponents still play cards from effects like show and tell and eureka?

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posted August 20, 2004 02:33 PM            

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posted August 20, 2004 02:49 PM            

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Originally posted by mir_vana:
If you heal yourself before the end of a phase, you can go below 0 life, right?

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posted August 20, 2004 02:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Darizra:
Situation:
Playing against my friend who has a reanimate deck. Hes got an Akroma in his graveyard and I've got a Duplicant in mine. He casts Exhume, heres what I thought would happen: Akroma and Duplicant come into play at the same time, Duplicant's ability goes on the stack, resolves...I can take Akroma. Correct? We couldn't decide.

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Well, they both come into play at the same time, so when the duplicant's ability triggers akroma is already in play and is a legal target. But don't take my word for it. I think im right though...

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posted August 20, 2004 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by SimkinsFoolery:
Well, they both come into play at the same time, so when the duplicant's ability triggers akroma is already in play and is a legal target. But don't take my word for it. I think im right though...

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You're right.

When a spell or ability makes each player do something at the same time, first the active player chooses then the non-active player chooses, then whatever is happening happens at the same time. So both the creatures hit play at the same time. Duplicant's triggered ability doesn't trigger til after they are both in play and Akroma is a legal target for it.

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