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DarkTrader Member	posted September 10, 2004 08:59 AM You can tap tokens right? example: Tap 1 elf and 4 elf tokens into Voice of the woods to make an elemental? legit??
grimlock_69 Member	posted September 10, 2004 09:53 AM yes, the voice of the woods doesn't specify elf CARDS, so any elf, token or otherwise, will do __________________ Did you know that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the worlds population?...spooky
Darkhearted Member	posted September 10, 2004 12:47 PM etched oracle is on the board with a enchant or artifact equipment that gives her +4/+4. i was wondering if the oracle can still use her ability if she has no counters except what is equiping her to keep her alive? Thanks Dark __________________ Mana clash: not just a card, It's a religion.
drizzt_2004 Member	posted September 10, 2004 01:36 PM I don't think you can use Etched Oracles ability without the counters because removing the +1/+1 counters is part of the activation cost before the colon. So no i dont think so.
GMontag Member	posted September 10, 2004 03:52 PM quote: Originally posted by Darkhearted: etched oracle is on the board with a enchant or artifact equipment that gives her +4/+4. i was wondering if the oracle can still use her ability if she has no counters except what is equiping her to keep her alive? Thanks Dark No. Etched Oracle's ability says you have to remove counters. If there are no counters to remove, you can't play the ability. Removing 4 +1/+1 counters is not the same thing as giving it -4/-4.
Darkhearted Member	posted September 10, 2004 04:35 PM Thanks for all yalls help. I was just wondering about that. thanks again __________________ Mana clash: not just a card, It's a religion.
skizzikmonger Member	posted September 11, 2004 03:53 AM here's the scenario: I have a Wild Mongrel, Confesor, and Test of Endurance in play, and a Gogapede in my graveyard, and one in my hand. At the begining of my upkeep, I put the ToE on the stack, then pitch the Gigapede in my hand to get the one in my graveyard back, and gain 1 life. I repeat the process untill I have 50+ life, then let ToE resolve to win the game. Does this work?
GMontag Member	posted September 11, 2004 04:46 AM quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: here's the scenario: I have a Wild Mongrel, Confesor, and Test of Endurance in play, and a Gogapede in my graveyard, and one in my hand. At the begining of my upkeep, I put the ToE on the stack, then pitch the Gigapede in my hand to get the one in my graveyard back, and gain 1 life. I repeat the process untill I have 50+ life, then let ToE resolve to win the game. Does this work? No. Gigapede's in the graveyard will only trigger if they are in the graveyard when your upkeep starts. You will only be able to discard Gigapede once and gain one life per turn.
zipykido Member	posted September 11, 2004 06:15 AM I have a volrath's shapeshifter in play and a forgotten ancient on top of my graveyard. My opponent plays a spell so my shapeshifter gets a +1/+1 counter on it. What happens to the +1/+1 counter if the top card of my graveyard is not longer an ancient? __________________ zipykido
da-odd-templar Member	posted September 11, 2004 07:17 AM quote: Originally posted by zipykido: I have a volrath's shapeshifter in play and a forgotten ancient on top of my graveyard. My opponent plays a spell so my shapeshifter gets a +1/+1 counter on it. What happens to the +1/+1 counter if the top card of my graveyard is not longer an ancient? It remains on the Shapeshifter, and it will affect it's current P/T and it's future P/T anytime it copies another creature.
potm Member	posted September 12, 2004 07:14 AM I'm looking for a card that disables Hypnox' second ability, which is to give back the opponent's hand when hypnox dies. So in other words, I'm looking for a spell (or a sneak-attacked creature) that can bounce/remove the hypnox while it's still coming into play. Preferably green or red, but any input will do. __________________ FACT The word Satan is derived from Shaitan, which is Arabic for 'adversary'. The Catholic church denounced a group of scientists with this word for their revelations, which they feared could topple the church's credibility. Blissfully ignoring Hai Yo's lies since 06/21/04
axn Member	posted September 12, 2004 08:33 AM any instant speed sacrifice outlet will work as well such as greater good, goblin bombardment, fling etc etc
potm Member	posted September 12, 2004 09:18 AM quote: Originally posted by axn: any instant speed sacrifice outlet will work as well such as greater good, goblin bombardment, fling etc etc Fling is an excellent option, I totally forgot about that. __________________ FACT The word Satan is derived from Shaitan, which is Arabic for 'adversary'. The Catholic church denounced a group of scientists with this word for their revelations, which they feared could topple the church's credibility. Blissfully ignoring Hai Yo's lies since 06/21/04
orcishartillery Member	posted September 12, 2004 10:21 AM quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: here's the scenario: I have a Wild Mongrel, Confesor, and Test of Endurance in play, and a Gogapede in my graveyard, and one in my hand. At the begining of my upkeep, I put the ToE on the stack, then pitch the Gigapede in my hand to get the one in my graveyard back, and gain 1 life. I repeat the process untill I have 50+ life, then let ToE resolve to win the game. Does this work? In addition to the earlier answer, Test of Endurance's triggered ability has an intervening-if clause. If you don't have 50 or more life at the beginning of your upkeep, the ability won't even be put on the stack.
UN New Member	posted September 12, 2004 10:49 AM Hi. Is it possble to do this: Arcanis the Omnipotent is tapped, and followed tap-ability is activated: "Draw three cards" Willbender is morphed: "When Willbender is turned face up, change the target of target spell or ability with a single target." Is it posible to change the "Draw three cards"-ability to an other player??
UN New Member	posted September 12, 2004 10:50 AM Hi Counterspell is just casted. Misdirction is casted and change the Counterspells target to eg. a basic land. This new single target is iligal, but the original spell is "safed". Is this posible??
nderdog Moderator	posted September 12, 2004 11:02 AM quote: Originally posted by UN: Hi. Is it possble to do this: Arcanis the Omnipotent is tapped, and followed tap-ability is activated: "Draw three cards" Willbender is morphed: "When Willbender is turned face up, change the target of target spell or ability with a single target." Is it posible to change the "Draw three cards"-ability to an other player?? The "draw three" ability is not a targeted ability, since it doesn't say "target player draws three cards" so Willbender will not affect it. quote: Originally posted by UN: Hi Counterspell is just casted. Misdirction is casted and change the Counterspells target to eg. a basic land. This new single target is iligal, but the original spell is "safed". Is this posible?? No. In the Saturday School archives, you can find this: "The rule for changing targets (section 415.7 in the Comprehensive Rulebook) says that you can only choose legal targets when an effect changes a target." __________________ Warning! Check this link for info on a nasty impersonator before trading! ---------- Ask me about getting FREE Magic cards! There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here! Enjoying my mental auto-ignore since 9/2/2004
orcishartillery Member	posted September 12, 2004 11:26 AM quote: Originally posted by UN: Hi Counterspell is just casted. Misdirction is casted and change the Counterspells target to eg. a basic land. This new single target is iligal, but the original spell is "safed". Is this posible?? Instead, use Misdirection to change the target of the Counterspell to the Misdirection. The Misdirection resolves, changing the Counterspell's target. When the Counterspell would resolve, its target is illegal so it is countered. Then the original spell resolves safely.
Tha Gunslinga Moderator	posted September 12, 2004 07:31 PM Three questions: 1. I play Mana Drain on a Morph (Exalted Angel). How much mana do I get? I'm pretty sure it's 0, I just want to be sure. 2. If there's a Shared Fate in play, and another Shared Fate is played, what happens? 3. If Shared Fate is in play, and I play Brainstorm, do I put the cards back on my original deck, so my opponent draws them? __________________ I collect crimped cards. If you have any, please let me know. Thanks! FYI, crimped cards are cards that have one end caught in the booster pack as it's being sealed, so they have ridges on one end. It's sort of a zipper mark.
orcishartillery Member	posted September 12, 2004 08:01 PM quote: Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga: Three questions: 1. I play Mana Drain on a Morph (Exalted Angel). How much mana do I get? I'm pretty sure it's 0, I just want to be sure. Yes, if you play a creature spell face down the spell has a converted mana cost of 0. quote: 2. If there's a Shared Fate in play, and another Shared Fate is played, what happens? Shared Fate has a replacement effect. One Shared Fate will replace the draw with removing a card from your opponent's library, and the other Shared Fate will do nothing. quote: 3. If Shared Fate is in play, and I play Brainstorm, do I put the cards back on my original deck, so my opponent draws them? When Brainstorm resolves, first you remove the top three cards of your opponent's library from the game. Then you put two cards from your hand on top of your library. Remember that the cards you removed with Shared Fate are not in your hand.
mulder Member	posted September 13, 2004 07:43 AM There is a Blood Moon in play. Does Gemstone Mine come into play with counters? And how aboout lands that come into play tapped? thanks
orcishartillery Member	posted September 13, 2004 07:57 AM quote: Originally posted by mulder: There is a Blood Moon in play. Does Gemstone Mine come into play with counters? And how aboout lands that come into play tapped? Gemstone Mine and lands such as Salt Marsh have static abilities that affect how they come into play. Gemstone Mine will come into play with 3 mining counters, and Salt Marsh will come into play tapped, but they will both be mountains. Saturday School, scroll down to find the question about Blood Moon: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/rh55
Goodnight__kiss Member	posted September 13, 2004 08:25 PM is it that i can stack the ability of goblin cannon? maybe some one had already ask this question before, sorry i haven't keep track. Does that means that if i use 10 mana, i can deal 5 damage to any creature of player (or distribute among) before sac'ing it?
nderdog Moderator	posted September 13, 2004 08:29 PM quote: Originally posted by Goodnight__kiss: is it that i can stack the ability of goblin cannon? maybe some one had already ask this question before, sorry i haven't keep track. Does that means that if i use 10 mana, i can deal 5 damage to any creature of player (or distribute among) before sac'ing it? Yes, you can activate the ability as many times as you have mana for before saccing it. From Saturday School: "Q: I was wondering about Goblin Cannon. I have tried a million times and can't get more than one damage out of it. I was hit by it 19 times in 1 round plus he killed off my 5/5 Myr Enforcer and my 3/3 Frogmite. How can this be possible if you have to sacrifice this artifact after the damage is dealt? –Johnny B. A: The key is that you don't sacrifice it until it's ability resolves. Since the cost is just “2”, you can keep activating it over and over. Once one of those abilities resolves the Cannon will blow up, but all those other activations have already been fired off." __________________ Warning! Check this link for info on a nasty impersonator before trading! ---------- Ask me about getting FREE Magic cards! There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here!
Goodnight__kiss Member	posted September 13, 2004 08:37 PM that was quick... thank you. and thanks to you i'd found the "saturday school".

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