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Topic: Rulings Thread Part 46 (ALL rules-related questions go HERE!)
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Myy Member
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posted October 21, 2010 06:57 AM
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This guy said this in another thread:2 an infect creature deals damage via -1/-1 counters.So a 2/2 infect attacks and a 2/2 blocks.The 2/2 cannot regenerate because hes dealt -negative counters and would have to regenerate an infinate amount of times.these negative counters never go away. although not precisely correct, I have heard of something very similar, that a creature with a 0 or less toughness would have to regenerate each time SBE are checked. my Q? is what would happen if knight of the holy nimbus blocks a 2/2 infect critter?
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Meddling Pimp Member
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posted October 21, 2010 07:09 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Myy:
This guy said this in another thread:2 an infect creature deals damage via -1/-1 counters.So a 2/2 infect attacks and a 2/2 blocks.The 2/2 cannot regenerate because hes dealt -negative counters and would have to regenerate an infinate amount of times.these negative counters never go away. although not precisely correct, I have heard of something very similar, that a creature with a 0 or less toughness would have to regenerate each time SBE are checked. my Q? is what would happen if knight of the holy nimbus blocks a 2/2 infect critter?
Regeneration has no effect on a creature with zero or less toughness. This includes the ability on Knight of the Holy Nimbus. quote: 704.5f If a creature has toughness 0 or less, it’s put into its owner’s graveyard. Regeneration can’t replace this event.
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Malice327 Member
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posted October 21, 2010 06:52 PM
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I need to resolve this so my opponent in our local sealed league doesn't try to punch me out:He attacks with a 1/1 insect with infect, and a perilous myr. I am at 4 life with 5 poison counters. He has 9 untapped mana. I block the perilous myr with my equipped shikari 3/3 first strike lifelink (3/3 due to equipment), he responds to me declaring blockers by dumping all his mana into an untamed might on the infect insect. First strike damage resolves first, killing the perilous myr. I know I cannot respond to damage on the stack anymore, however, does the insect hit me prior to me being able to respond to the perilous myr trigger on the stack? I have a dispense justice in my hand that i assume would be able to played to kill his insect being the myr trigger happens first due to first strike damage? or am i completely wrong?
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Meddling Pimp Member
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posted October 21, 2010 07:13 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Malice327: I need to resolve this so my opponent in our local sealed league doesn't try to punch me out:He attacks with a 1/1 insect with infect, and a perilous myr. I am at 4 life with 5 poison counters. He has 9 untapped mana. I block the perilous myr with my equipped shikari 3/3 first strike lifelink (3/3 due to equipment), he responds to me declaring blockers by dumping all his mana into an untamed might on the infect insect. First strike damage resolves first, killing the perilous myr. I know I cannot respond to damage on the stack anymore, however, does the insect hit me prior to me being able to respond to the perilous myr trigger on the stack? I have a dispense justice in my hand that i assume would be able to played to kill his insect being the myr trigger happens first due to first strike damage? or am i completely wrong?
You'll have two opportunities to cast the Dispense Justice after first strike damage; with the Perilous Myr trigger on the stack, and after it resolves with the stack empty during the first combat damage step. Even though damage does not use the stack anymore, there is still a priority pass at the end of each damage step.
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posted October 22, 2010 05:02 AM
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Do multiple Leonin Arbiters abilities stack? In other words, if I have 2 in play, does someone need to pay 4 to be able to search?__________________ 3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in KentuckyBlackborder.com Grading Guide
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Meddling Pimp Member
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posted October 22, 2010 06:06 AM
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quote: Originally posted by coinmagic45: Do multiple Leonin Arbiters abilities stack? In other words, if I have 2 in play, does someone need to pay 4 to be able to search?
Yes
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CrazyBones Member
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posted October 22, 2010 12:33 PM
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Is equipping an artifact a fast effect or sorcery speed?
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Myy Member
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posted October 22, 2010 12:38 PM
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quote: Originally posted by CrazyBones: Is equipping an artifact a fast effect or sorcery speed?
Sorcery Speed.
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CrazyBones Member
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posted October 22, 2010 12:53 PM
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Thanks.
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posted October 22, 2010 09:41 PM
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Two questionsFirst if Mind Control is used to steal a Wurmcoil Engine does the original owner get the Tokens or does the person who controlled it last get them when it dies? Wurmcoil Engine When Wurmcoil Engine is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put a 3/3 colorless Wurm artifact creature token with deathtouch and a 3/3 colorless Wurm artifact creature token with lifelink onto the battlefield. Second question is about Frost Titans counter unless they pay 2. When Inferno Titan deal damage to one creature does it deal 3 individual damage points or does it deal 3 damage all at once
Frost Titan Whenever Frost Titan becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter that spell or ability unless its controller pays 2. Whenever Frost Titan enters the battlefield or attacks, tap target permanent. It doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step. Inferno Titan Whenever Inferno Titan enters the battlefield or attacks, it deals 3 damage divided as you choose among one, two, or three target creatures and/or players.
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JoshSherman Member
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posted October 22, 2010 10:27 PM
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quote: Originally posted by -Lunch_Box-: Two questionsFirst if Mind Control is used to steal a Wurmcoil Engine does the original owner get the Tokens or does the person who controlled it last get them when it dies? Wurmcoil Engine When Wurmcoil Engine is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put a 3/3 colorless Wurm artifact creature token with deathtouch and a 3/3 colorless Wurm artifact creature token with lifelink onto the battlefield. Second question is about Frost Titans counter unless they pay 2. When Inferno Titan deal damage to one creature does it deal 3 individual damage points or does it deal 3 damage all at once
Frost Titan Whenever Frost Titan becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter that spell or ability unless its controller pays 2. Whenever Frost Titan enters the battlefield or attacks, tap target permanent. It doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step. Inferno Titan Whenever Inferno Titan enters the battlefield or attacks, it deals 3 damage divided as you choose among one, two, or three target creatures and/or players.
1)The player who controlled the Engine when it went to its owner's 'yard will get the tokens. 2) Damage from Inferno Titan is one event. You would only need to pay two mana for each Frost Titan you tergeted. __________________ *MafiaBass*Joshweek*Letter Bombs!*Prices*Gatherer*Logout <Tranderas> damn
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posted October 22, 2010 10:54 PM
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quote: Originally posted by JoshSherman: 1)The player who controlled the Engine when it went to its owner's 'yard will get the tokens.2) Damage from Inferno Titan is one event. You would only need to pay two mana for each Frost Titan you tergeted.
Thanks for the answers! I have one more question though. Is Frost Titans counter unless you pay 2 something that you have to ask your opponent each time or are they responsible for catching it? I had several situations last night where they would target my Frost Titan and then move on to something else before I pointed it out the pay 2. If someone gets ahead of themselves do they just miss the trigger or does the game back up so they have the option again? Example: I am going to Valakut your Frost Titan for 3 and then Lightning Bolt. I am going to bounce your Frost Titan with Jace and then move to attack
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thror Member
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posted October 22, 2010 11:08 PM
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You are required to remind them of the 'pay 2 or counter it' trigger.__________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted
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JoshSherman Member
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posted October 23, 2010 10:09 AM
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This was relevant last night but I couldnt decide how it would work. I ended up not causing the situation to occur since I'm the judge and I wasn't 100% on it.My opp has a malakir bloodwitch and a random vampire. I'm at 2. He swings with both and I mystifying maze them both. My opp chooses which vampire comes back first, right? I think so and I would have died I I'd done that. __________________ *MafiaBass*Joshweek*Letter Bombs!*Prices*Gatherer*Logout <Tranderas> damn
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WestWycke Member
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posted October 23, 2010 10:27 AM
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You controlled the Mystifying Mazes ability, so you will also control the delayed trigger and decide the order they are put on the stack.
quote: Originally posted by Comprehensive rules: 603.7d The source of a delayed triggered ability created by a spell is that spell. The source of a delayed triggered ability created by another ability is the same as the source of that other ability. The controller of a delayed triggered ability is the same as the controller of the spell or ability that created it, even if that player no longer controls its source.
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JoshSherman Member
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posted October 23, 2010 04:53 PM
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Phooey. Well I won the match anyway lol__________________ *MafiaBass*Joshweek*Letter Bombs!*Prices*Gatherer*Logout <Tranderas> damn
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posted October 24, 2010 05:46 PM
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This might be earlier on in the thread, but I don't wanna read 11 pages worth... Anyways, I've always been a little confused on the legendary creature rule. I'm new to EDH and there are lots of legends. Can you have more than 1 legendary creature on your side of the field at the same time? I use a Scion of the Ur-Dragon EDH deck. Could someone elaborate on the legends rule. Thanks.
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Meddling Pimp Member
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posted October 24, 2010 06:26 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Yoda64: This might be earlier on in the thread, but I don't wanna read 11 pages worth... Anyways, I've always been a little confused on the legendary creature rule. I'm new to EDH and there are lots of legends. Can you have more than 1 legendary creature on your side of the field at the same time? I use a Scion of the Ur-Dragon EDH deck. Could someone elaborate on the legends rule. Thanks.
You can have multiple legendary permanents. There just can't be two with the same name.
quote: 704.5k If two or more legendary permanents with the same name are on the battlefield, all are put into their owners’ graveyards. This is called the “legend rule.” If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn’t apply.
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Yoda64 Member
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posted October 24, 2010 06:29 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Meddling Pimp: You can have multiple legendary permanents. There just can't be two with the same name. [QUOTE]704.5k If two or more legendary permanents with the same name are on the battlefield, all are put into their owners’ graveyards. This is called the “legend rule.” If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn’t apply.
[/QUOTE]Ok, thanks, this helps a ton.
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posted October 24, 2010 10:27 PM
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If I volition reigns a creature with an argentum armor equipped to it and attack, who gets the argentum trigger?also who would get it if it was a sword of body and mind
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caquaa Member
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posted October 25, 2010 03:11 AM
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quote: Originally posted by FlashFrozen: If I volition reigns a creature with an argentum armor equipped to it and attack, who gets the argentum trigger?also who would get it if it was a sword of body and mind
you only gain control of the creature, not the equipment... so the controller of the equipment.
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Eatatjoes Member
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posted October 25, 2010 03:57 AM
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My opponent has a creature with an argentum armor on it. I volition reigns the creature, and the armor stays on the creature. Do i control the triggered ability of the armor (when the creature attacks) do i chose what permanent to destroy, or does my opponent?
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JoshSherman Member
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posted October 25, 2010 07:04 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Eatatjoes: My opponent has a creature with an argentum armor on it. I volition reigns the creature, and the armor stays on the creature. Do i control the triggered ability of the armor (when the creature attacks) do i chose what permanent to destroy, or does my opponent?
This question is answered directly above your post. You do not control the armor, therefore you do not control its trigger. Your opp will (likely) choose to destroy the Volition Reigns if they're smart. I'd probably avoid attacking with a creature whose Argentum Armor I didn't control. The same is true for Sword of Body and Mind. Your opponent will control the triggers, so s/he will get the token, but s/he will also get milled ten cards. __________________ *MafiaBass*Joshweek*Letter Bombs!*Prices*Gatherer*Logout <Tranderas> damn
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posted October 25, 2010 02:01 PM
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What happens if I have wheel of sun and moon targeting myself and my opponent has leyline of the void in play?Thanks!
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posted October 25, 2010 02:10 PM
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two replacements are trying to affect the same thingthe affected player (you) get to decide the order once one applies, there is nothing for the other to replace
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