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Topic: Rulings Thread Part 46 (ALL rules-related questions go HERE!)
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psilence6k Member
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posted July 20, 2010 07:37 AM
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My opponent has 4 lands in play, and 2 of them are non-basic. I have 2x Tectonic Edge. Am I able to target one of my opponents non-basics with my tec edge, then in response target his other non-basic with my other tec edge while there are still 4 lands in play?Thank you! Carl
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Meddling Pimp Member
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posted July 20, 2010 07:40 AM
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quote: Originally posted by psilence6k: My opponent has 4 lands in play, and 2 of them are non-basic. I have 2x Tectonic Edge. Am I able to target one of my opponents non-basics with my tec edge, then in response target his other non-basic with my other tec edge while there are still 4 lands in play?Thank you! Carl
Yes. As long as you specify that you are retaining priority, you can activate one, then the other.
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timmerman121 Member
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posted July 21, 2010 03:00 PM
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can i name planeswalker with world queller?
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thror Member
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posted July 21, 2010 03:08 PM
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quote: Originally posted by timmerman121: can i name planeswalker with world queller?
Yes. Official rulings from Gatherer: "You may choose any card type, including instant or sorcery. Choosing instant or sorcery will result in no permanents being sacrificed, though, since no permanents have those card types."
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Dragoneye Member
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posted July 23, 2010 10:27 AM
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two scenarios:my opponent has a Peacekeeper in play (1/1). I cast lighting bolt on it (3 damage) He uses Scars of the Veteran (preventing up to 7 damage) if I cast another lighting bolt in response, does the Peacekeeper die? or does he live because he has a shield preventing up to 7 damage? my opponent has a Peacekeeper in play (1/1). I cast Lightning bolt on it (3 damage) He uses Alexi's cloak (giving it Shroud) if I cast another Lightning bolt in response, does the Peacekeeper die? or does he live because he has Shroud?
Thank you so much!
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Meddling Pimp Member
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posted July 23, 2010 10:41 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Dragoneye: two scenarios:my opponent has a Peacekeeper in play (1/1). I cat lighting bolt on it (3 damage) He uses Scars of the Veteran (preventing up to 7 damage) if I can another lighting bolt in response, does the peace keeper die? or does he live because he has a shield preventing up to 7 damage? my opponent has a Peacekeeper in play (1/1). I cat lighting bolt on it (3 damage) He uses Alexi's cloak (giving it Shroud) if I can another lighting bolt in response, does the peace keeper die? or does he live because he has Shroud?
Thank you so much!
In both cases, the second lightning bolt will resolve first, killing the Peacekeeper.
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Heresy19 Member
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posted July 23, 2010 11:58 AM
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Alright.. I saw a lot of people playing Mighty Quinn around here.... I was wondering, if I have a Kozilek in my deck, will they get screwed? (I think so but it dosen't seems to bother them). Unless they have something to remove cards from my graveyard, I don't think they can kill me with Painter/Grindstone.
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caquaa Member
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posted July 23, 2010 04:33 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Heresy19: Alright.. I saw a lot of people playing Mighty Quinn around here.... I was wondering, if I have a Kozilek in my deck, will they get screwed? (I think so but it dosen't seems to bother them). Unless they have something to remove cards from my graveyard, I don't think they can kill me with Painter/Grindstone.
if you grind your whole deck away, the kozilek will trigger when it hits the yard and shuffle everything back in. While the trigger is on the stack if you are forced to draw for some reason or if its exiled then you have issues. Otherwise, eldrazi seem decent.
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stacker Member
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posted July 25, 2010 06:44 AM
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if two creatures trade in a combat and both go to the graveyard, can a goblin sharpshooter use its triggers to kill a 3-toughness creature?
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WestWycke Member
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posted July 25, 2010 09:40 AM
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Yes.When the two creatures die, each one will trigger the untap ability of the Goblin Sharpshooter. After SBA's are taken care of, both triggers will be placed on the stack. At that point you respond to the two triggers by activating the GS for one damage. Let the first trigger resolve and untap the GS. Respond to the remaining trigger by activating the GS again for the second point of damage. Let the second trigger resolve and untap the GS. Activate the GS and deal the third point of damage. You now have a dead X/3. And of course, when it dies, GS will trigger and untap. __________________ "If you're right 90% of the time, why quibble about the other 3% ?""I intend to live forever. So far, so good."
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mattw Member
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posted July 27, 2010 07:12 AM
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I play a Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund. My opponent plows it as soon as it hits play. He assures me this negates the taking of his dragons. I just rolled with it to avoid an argument. was he right?
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shwin Member
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posted July 27, 2010 07:21 AM
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quote: Originally posted by mattw: I play a Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund. My opponent plows it as soon as it hits play. He assures me this negates the taking of his dragons. I just rolled with it to avoid an argument. was he right?
WRONG Karrthus trigger on CIT and effect goes onto the stack. You pass priority to your opponent and can sword your Karrthus but effect is still onto the stack and revole after the sword. What he need its a stifle, not a sword
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mattw Member
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posted July 27, 2010 01:57 PM
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ok, so i play a lot of casual edh and situations arise often. i hope i don't have to post on here too much. Say i have an Elemental Mastery on a Hateflayer. If someone tries to kill either the creature or enchantment i could combo off for as long as i have mana right?
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Caitiri Member
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posted July 27, 2010 02:01 PM
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quote: Originally posted by mattw: ok, so i play a lot of casual edh and situations arise often. i hope i don't have to post on here too much. Say i have an Elemental Mastery on a Hateflayer. If someone tries to kill either the creature or enchantment i could combo off for as long as i have mana right?
Yes, as long as you have mana and the Hateflayer is no longer affected by summoning sickness then you can combo off. -Caitiri __________________ Dark Ritual count: 799
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mattw Member
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posted July 29, 2010 08:56 AM
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i'm under the impression mana abilities are faster than instants which means if someone bolted my dimir doppelganger when i tried to use it(making it a 6/6) would it not die? If you guys get sick of me posting on here lmk
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Zakman86 Member
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posted July 29, 2010 09:01 AM
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quote: Originally posted by mattw: i'm under the impression mana abilities are faster than instants which means if someone bolted my dimir doppelganger when i tried to use it(making it a 6/6) would it not die? If you guys get sick of me posting on here lmk
The ability of Dimir Doppelganger goes on the stack when you use it. It can be responded to by a Lightning bolt, etc. However, if you have the mana you can use it again targetting the same card, as the card isn't a cost of activating the ability.
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yakusoku Member
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posted July 29, 2010 09:08 AM
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quote: Originally posted by mattw: i'm under the impression mana abilities are faster than instants which means if someone bolted my dimir doppelganger when i tried to use it(making it a 6/6) would it not die? If you guys get sick of me posting on here lmk
Not "faster", but mana abilities do not use the stack; they cannot be responded to. HOWEVER, you seem to be confused about what a mana ability is. An activated ability that requires mana to play it is not a mana ability. A mana ability is an activated ability that creates mana (such as tapping Llanowar Elves or a Forest), or a triggered ability from another mana ability (tapping a Forest enchanted with Wild Growth; Wild Growth's trigger is a mana ability). Dimir Doppelganger's ability is a normal activated ability and can be responded to just fine.
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mattw Member
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posted July 29, 2010 09:13 AM
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ohhhh.... okay i got confused from the wording of the master transmuter. The paying the cost part is what can't be responded to. durrrr.Master Transmuter {3}{U} Artifact Creature -- Human Artificer 1/2 {U}, {T}, Return an artifact you control to its owner's hand: You may put an artifact card from your hand into play. * Returning an artifact you control to its owner's hand is part of the cost of Master Transmuter's activated ability. Paying a cost can't be responded to (with Naturalize, for example). * Since Master Transmuter is an artifact, you may return Master Transmuter itself to your hand. If you do, the rest of the ability will still work normally. * The artifact card you put into play when the ability resolves may be the same card that you returned to your hand when you paid the cost. If so, it returns to play as a new object with no relation to its previous existence.
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mattw Member
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posted July 29, 2010 09:48 AM
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alright, i'm confused all over again.Wouldn't removing a creature card from a graveyard from the game be part of the lobotomist's activated ability and therefore not be able to be responded to? The lobotomist would then become a copy of that creature( in this case a big one) and a lightning bolt not be able to do anything about it? (1UB)Exile target creature card from a graveyard. Dimir Doppelganger becomes a copy of that card and gains this ability.
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nderdog Moderator
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posted July 29, 2010 09:54 AM
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quote: Originally posted by mattw: alright, i'm confused all over again.Wouldn't removing a creature card from a graveyard from the game be part of the lobotomist's activated ability and therefore not be able to be responded to? The lobotomist would then become a copy of that creature( in this case a big one) and a lightning bolt not be able to do anything about it? (1UB)Exile target creature card from a graveyard. Dimir Doppelganger becomes a copy of that card and gains this ability.
Pay close attention to the placement of the :, as it makes a world of difference. Anything before it, in this case, "1UB" is a cost. Anything after is the effect. Even if the exiling of the card was part of the cost, though, the ability of the Doppelganger becoming a copy of it would still go on the stack and be able to be responded to, and a Bolt in response would kill the Doppelganger before it resolved and became a 6/6. __________________ There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here!All your Gruul Nodorogs are belong to me. Trade them to me, please! Report rules violations. Remember the Auctions Board!
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posted July 29, 2010 09:56 AM
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Mayael the Anima taps revealing Multani, Maro-Sorcerer. Toatl cards in all hands is 10. Can Multani come in play?I say no. They said yes. I said, "well you can use Cremate on Multani in the graveyard because it's not in play so shroud doesn't count." They respond with something like, "yeah you can target it if it's in the graveyard but, if he's in your hand/deck/grave his */* is always the total number of cards." Am I right and just beating a dead horse? __________________ NEQUAQUAM VACUUM If you list one of your interests as M:tG you send first.
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Zakman86 Member
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posted July 29, 2010 10:02 AM
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quote: Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid: Mayael the Anima taps revealing Multani, Maro-Sorcerer. Toatl cards in all hands is 10. Can Multani come in play?I say no. They said yes. I said, "well you can use Cremate on Multani in the graveyard because it's not in play so shroud doesn't count." They respond with something like, "yeah you can target it if it's in the graveyard but, if he's in your hand/deck/grave his */* is always the total number of cards." Am I right and just beating a dead horse?
They're correct. Sadly, I don't have a set of Comp Rules in front of me to find it in there ![](http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/frown.gif)
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posted July 29, 2010 10:25 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Zakman86: They're correct. Sadly, I don't have a set of Comp Rules in front of me to find it in there ![](http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/frown.gif)
Here's the relevant portion of the CR: quote: 604.3. Some static abilities are characteristic-defining abilities. A characteristic-defining ability conveys information about an object’s characteristics that would normally be found elsewhere on that object (such as in its mana cost, type line, or power/toughness box). Characteristic-defining abilities function in all zones. They also function outside the game.604.3a A static ability is a characteristic-defining ability if it meets the following criteria: (1) It defines an object’s colors, subtypes, power, or toughness; (2) it is printed on the card it affects, it was granted to the token it affects by the effect that created the token, or it was acquired by the object it affects as the result of a copy effect or text-changing effect; (3) it does not directly affect the characteristics of any other objects; (4) it is not an ability that an object grants to itself; and (5) it does not set the values of such characteristics only if certain conditions are met.
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coinmagic45 Member
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posted August 03, 2010 05:04 PM
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If I have a creature with Shroud, and I attack when I have a Sovereigns of Lost Alara in play, can I search for my Eldrazi Conscription and put it on the creature? It doesn't say "target creature" anywhere, but I didn't know if you could attach Auras to Shroud creatures...Thanks! Mark
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Meddling Pimp Member
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posted August 03, 2010 05:08 PM
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quote: Originally posted by coinmagic45: If I have a creature with Shroud, and I attack when I have a Sovereigns of Lost Alara in play, can I search for my Eldrazi Conscription and put it on the creature? It doesn't say "target creature" anywhere, but I didn't know if you could attach Auras to Shroud creatures...Thanks! Mark
Yes, absolutely.
EDIT: This only works because the aura is being put onto the battlefield. You cannot cast an aura onto a creature with shroud, as casting an aura requires a target.
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