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Jazaray
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Couple of questions about the newer (to me) abilities.


1) I have out Rhystic Study. My opponent plays Wipe Away, does he have to pay for the rhystic (if he doesn't want me to draw a card) or does split second make it so that ability doesn't go off?

2) Ok, this is probably a REALLY stupid question. Can you equip equipment to your opponents creatures? (If you can, I REALLY REALLY REALLY HATE skullclamp.)

3) Does a spell have to be SUCCESSFULLY cast for me to be able to draw off of Rhystic Study?

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Jaz:
1) Split second (As long as this spell is on the stack, players can't cast spells or activate abilities that aren't mana abilities.)
Rhystic study has a triggered ability, it triggers and resolves before wipe away does.

2) Reason we link cards, Skull Clamp
Equip 1 (1: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery. This card enters the battlefield unattached and stays on the battlefield if the creature leaves.)

3) Rhystic Study
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, you may draw a card unless that player pays 1.

Nothing in there says successfully cast. Beyond that, no card uses that phrasing any more and I don't believe any got a template for it, the "successfully" part was just removed. They all now refer to casting a spell.
ex:
Argothian Enchantress
Printed wording: Whenever you successfully cast an enchantment spell, draw a card.
Oracle Wording: Whenever you cast an enchantment spell, draw a card.

Old school if your enchantment was countered you didn't get a card, now you do regardless.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by caquaa:
Jaz:


2) Reason we link cards, Skull Clamp
Equip 1 (1: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery. This card enters the battlefield unattached and stays on the battlefield if the creature leaves.)


OMG, I LOVE you caquaa!!

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Necrotic Ooze
Creature - Ooze
As long as Necrotic Ooze is on the battlefield, it has all activated abilities of all creature cards in all graveyards.


So how does this work with Level Up creatures? Does the Ooze gain level up and have to make it to level x or does it have access to any activated ability regardless of the level?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by nderdog:
Wait until the set FAQ comes out so that people will be able to give you an answer that will definitely be correct rather than making assumptions that may not be valid.

 
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His question can actually be answered by ROE FAQ (or rule book, whichever):

-Lunch_Box-
710.2a "{LEVEL N1-N2} [Abilities] [P/T]" means "As long as this creature has at least N1 level counters on it, but no more than N2 level counters on it, it's [P/T] and has [abilities]."

So assuming we're talking about Brimstone Mage as an example. Using longhand instead of the shortened versions printed on the card we get:

As long as Brimstone Mage has at least 1 level counters on it, but no more than 2 level counters on it, it's 2/3 and has "Tap: Brimstone Mage deals 1 damage to target creature or player."

so brimstone mage doesn't have the ping ability, it has another ability that gives it the ping ability.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by caquaa on September 23, 2010]

 
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The Scars FAQ is out: http://wizards.com/magic/tcg/Resources.aspx?x=magic/rules/faqs
 
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quote:
Originally posted by -Lunch_Box-:
Necrotic Ooze
Creature - Ooze
As long as Necrotic Ooze is on the battlefield, it has all activated abilities of all creature cards in all graveyards.


So how does this work with Level Up creatures? Does the Ooze gain level up and have to make it to level x or does it have access to any activated ability regardless of the level?


It gains the Level Up activated ability. It does not, however, gain the static ability which changes the P/T and grants abilities. So, you can add counters, but they don't really do anything.

 
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Have a very fundamental question to ask:

I have multiple creatures with summoning sickness in play; can I equip lighting greaves on each of them for them to gain haste to attack during combat phase?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Christof:
Have a very fundamental question to ask:

I have multiple creatures with summoning sickness in play; can I equip lighting greaves on each of them for them to gain haste to attack during combat phase?


No. In order for a creature to be declared an attacker the turn it enters play, it must have Haste at the time it is declared.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Meddling Pimp on September 23, 2010]

 
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Assume this situation occurs:

-You have Leyline of Anticipation, Hive Mind, and Mindslaver on the field.

-You activate Mindslaver, and during the opponent's turn that you take control of, you cast Selective Memory, Hive Mind triggers it for your opponent. Since you're in control of your opponent's turn, do you get to select cards to remove from their library?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by DeMoNiC DuNcE on September 27, 2010]

 
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If I wanted to counter a morph spell using counterbalance would I have to reveal a 0 cc or 3 cc card?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by DeMoNiC DuNcE:
-You activate Mindslaver, and during the opponent's turn that you take control of, you cast Selective Memory, Hive Mind triggers it for your opponent. Since you're in control of your opponent's turn, do you get to select cards to remove from their library?

Yes.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Drexus:
If I wanted to counter a morph spell using counterbalance would I have to reveal a 0 cc or 3 cc card?

You would have to reveal a card with a converted mana cost of zero. Morph allows you to cast the card as a face-down 2/2 creature with no mana cost.
 
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So I have a Lich's Mirror in play. I am at 1 life. My opponent is at 2. I play Pox.

They go to 1 and I go to 20?

What baout paying for Bond of Agony? Can I pay all my life, hit 0 "lose" , trigger the Mirror and pay more life?

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quote:
Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
So I have a Lich's Mirror in play. I am at 1 life. My opponent is at 2. I play Pox.

They go to 1 and I go to 20?


Unless you've been hit by a Stigma Lasher, then yes.

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quote:
Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:

What about paying for Bond of Agony? Can I pay all my life, hit 0 "lose" , trigger the Mirror and pay more life?


You have to pay all your life at the same time, because you won't be set to 20 until you've already paid all the costs for bond of agony.

Technical nitty gritty:

Pay for bond of agony, pay all mana and life at this point. Put it on the stack.

State based effects are checked, you "lose" which triggers the mirror.

You do the stuff for lich's mirror

Bond of agony resolves

 
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quote:
Originally posted by OGB:
Unless you've been hit by a Stigma Lasher, then yes.


I don't think Stigma Lasher can stop you from going back to 20 with Lich's Mirror.

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quote:
Originally posted by junichi:
I don't think Stigma Lasher can stop you from going back to 20 with Lich's Mirror.


this thread isn't for guessing

117.5. If an effect sets a player’s life total to a specific number, the player gains or loses the necessary amount of life to end up with the new total

 
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quote:
Originally posted by caquaa:
this thread isn't for guessing

117.5. If an effect sets a player’s life total to a specific number, the player gains or loses the necessary amount of life to end up with the new total


Hence I wasn't sure.

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quote:
Originally posted by nderdog:

If you are going to answer a question, please be 100% sure that your answer is correct. If you are just guessing or *think* you know the answer, keep it to yourself. There are plenty of judges and people who will know it correctly, and if multiple answers are given, it just confuses the person who asked.

theres a reason I quote rules a majority of the time, that way there is no question on the right answer. I'd recommend doing the same if you aren't 100% sure.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by caquaa on September 24, 2010]

 
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When cards are milled off a library, say from Tome Scour, are the cards put in one at a time? Or all at once? Now, lets say the 4th card is emrakul, do I have a chance to respond and activate abilities before he is shuffled into the library?

Example play: There are 14 cards in my opponents graveyard and I play Tome scour. The 4th card is Emrakul, his ability triggers. Can I respond my using Keening Stone to put the top 18 cards of his library into the GY, then playing Ravenous Trap to exile them all?

Elaborate, but just curious.

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Does a creature with infect deal ONLY poison counters to a player and no damage?
 
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702.87c Damage dealt to a player by a source with infect doesn't cause that player to lose life. Rather, it causes the player to get that many poison counters. See rule 119.3.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by gauntsghost:
When cards are milled off a library, say from Tome Scour, are the cards put in one at a time? Or all at once? Now, lets say the 4th card is emrakul, do I have a chance to respond and activate abilities before he is shuffled into the library?

Example play: There are 14 cards in my opponents graveyard and I play Tome scour. The 4th card is Emrakul, his ability triggers. Can I respond my using Keening Stone to put the top 18 cards of his library into the GY, then playing Ravenous Trap to exile them all?

Elaborate, but just curious.


In this case, Emrakul has a triggered ability. It triggers, but it cannot resolve until Tome Scour is finished first. So they start w/ 14, end with 19, and Emrakul's ability is now put on the stack. Each player gets priority before a spell or ability resolves, so you can activate keening stone, milling 19. Once that resolves, emrakuls ability is still waiting, and each player gets priority again. You cast Trap for free here, and everything is Exiled. His ability is still waiting to resolve, but it won't really do much now.

Edit: The wording of Emrakul matters. If it were different (like on darksteel colossus) you would never get a chance to exile him.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by thror on September 26, 2010]

 

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