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Originally posted by Meddling Pimp:
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Well, that clears things up Anyway, it's because the Kitchen Finks are exiled and return, which makes the game treat it as a new object. And a 'new' Kitchen Finks doesn't come in play with a persist counter on it.

That's why Blink is fun with a lot of other cards with 'enters the battlefield' effects.

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Originally posted by JasonX-NL:
Well, that clears things up

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Originally posted by sagabegin:
For the pyromancer ascension deck,let's say the ascension is active. Can you call to mind X card in your yard and have the copy target the call to mind just cast?
That doesn't work does it? You would need an additional call to mind in the graveyard to make this work right?

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Originally posted by gcowhsu:
If I attack with Scion of the Ur-Dragon and use his ability to get a dragon with first strike or double strike, Can i use it again after first strike is done to get a bigger dragon to do normal combat damage?

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The short answer is no.

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Originally posted by gcowhsu:
If I attack with Scion of the Ur-Dragon and use his ability to get a dragon with first strike or double strike, Can i use it again after first strike is done to get a bigger dragon to do normal combat damage?

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Is there a link i could show them to just say "here it is, now shssss)

This should be able to answer the question. If not, I'll dig around through some stuff a local judge has written for MTG Salvation's Cranial Insertion to see if I can find anything.

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Just saying it like this to him isn't convincing enough apparently so i was hoping for proof i guess you could call it.

As for Ago, I say yes. The shapesharer is all creature types at all times. Whether it be in the graveyard or your library.

The official rules for changeling are as follows:

502.73. Changeling

502.73a Changeling is a characteristic-defining ability. "Changeling" means "This object is every creature type." This ability works in all zones. See rule 405.2.

502.73b Multiple instances of changeling on the same object are redundant.

* Because a card with changeling is every creature type, it will be affected by any spell or ability that affects any creature type, regardless of what that creature type is. And because changeling is a characteristic-defining ability, this is true in all zones. For example, if a card tells you to reveal a Merfolk card from your hand, return a Goblin card from your graveyard to your hand, or gain control of a Goat, you can perform these actions on a card with changeling.

* The rules that govern the interaction of continuous effects state that type-changing effects are applied before effects that add or remove abilities. This causes some unusual things to happen.
-- If an effect causes a creature with changeling to lose all creature types, the creature won't lose changeling -- but it will lose all its creature types.
-- If an effect causes a creature with changeling to become a new creature type or types, the creature won't lose changeling -- but it won't have all creature types anymore. It will be just the new creature type(s).
-- If a card loses the changeling ability, it will still have all creature types. It just won't have changeling.

* Note that effects that grant an object all creature types do *not* give that object changeling.

this is from the comp rules, linked on the front page. Keep in mind that trample will modify this rule, in case that comes up.

AGO:
702.70a. Changeling is a characteristic-defining ability. “Changeling” means “This object is every creature type.” This ability works everywhere, even outside the game. See rule 604.3

Omnath, Locus of Mana + Birds of Paradise.
If you have the birds produce Green mana like a Llanowar elves would it stay?

Omnath, Locus Of Mana + Devoted Druid + Quillspike
If you were to do the quillspike combo with on the
field is the devoted's grees "Consumed" and gone or
is it stil there so Omnath would keep it around?

Final Question! And it's about EDH.
So I'm not really solid on edh rules, or lack there of, If you used my personal favorite Nicol Bolas as a "General" do you have to pay his "Upkeep" cost of UBR? Or becasue he's a general that doesn't apply?

Omnath, Locus Of Mana + Devoted Druid + Quillspike
If you were to do the quillspike combo with on the
field is the devoted's grees "Consumed" and gone or
is it stil there so Omnath would keep it around? - If the mana was never used, the Onmath will keep the mana around. In this case, you are tapping for a green and using the Green to essentially untap Druid and get another green, so Onmath will have no mana to keep.

Final Question! And it's about EDH.
So I'm not really solid on edh rules, or lack there of, If you used my personal favorite Nicol Bolas as a "General" do you have to pay his "Upkeep" cost of UBR? Or becasue he's a general that doesn't apply? - You will have to pay the UBR cost each turn. If you don't, he will be sacrificed and you will need to recast him.

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I'm guessing the order won't really make much of a difference anyway though. Wouldn't the targets for the lark trigger need to already be in the graveyard at the time I sac it to activate GG and the ability goes on the stack?

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Originally posted by iccarus:
If I sac a Reveillark to Greater Good, do I get to choose whether I draw/discard or return creatures first? (the ordering portion of this question does actually matter, even if the second half of the post is correct)

I'm guessing the order won't really make much of a difference anyway though. Wouldn't the targets for the lark trigger need to already be in the graveyard at the time I sac it to activate GG and the ability goes on the stack?

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No, you cannot choose what order this happens in.

This is how it works:
1)You pay Greater Good's cost (sac'ing Reveillark) to put its ability on the stack. At this point, whatever you want to retun with Reveillark has to already be in the 'yard.
2)Reveillark triggers, and it's ability will be placed on the stack the next time a player would get priority above the Greater Good trigger.

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Originally posted by DeMoNiC DuNcE:
If my opponent casts Journey to Nowhere on a creature I control, then plays Meddling Mage and names that creature, and then Journey to Nowhere leaves play, what happens to my creature?

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Meddling Mage has been errata'd to say that the card can't be CAST. It can still however, be "Put onto the battlefield" by a spell or an ability.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Originally posted by DeMoNiC DuNcE:
If my opponent casts Journey to Nowhere on a creature I control, then plays Meddling Mage and names that creature, and then Journey to Nowhere leaves play, what happens to my creature?

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Journey to Nowhere's trigger goes on the stack and returns your creature to the battlefield. You aren't casting the creature so Meddling Mage does nothing.

scenario is this.

player a has the following in play: ambush commander, 5 forests.

player a declares he is attacking with all 5 forests and his ambush commander.

player b accepts all damage from attacking creatures and the ambush commander.

player a then sacrifices the 5 forests to give his ambush commander +3/+3 until end of turn for each forest sacrificed.

the dispute is this.

sacrificing a creature from an abilities goes on the stack and happens before damage is dealt to a player or creature, henceforth the 5 forests would never deal damage from attacking and would instead be sacrificed to the ambush commanders ability.

player a is claiming that it is allowed to attack to deal combat damage with the 5 forests and the ambush commander then sacrifice the 5 forests to the commander to deal an addition +3/+3 per forest.

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Originally posted by saintjust21:
this cannot be done.

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This was the gist of the new combat rules changes. Combat damage no longer uses the stack and happens all at once. He cannot have the "Forest" deal their damage before the Ambush Commander and then sacrifice them to pump the Commander.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
Meddling Mage has been errata'd to say that the card can't be CAST. It can still however, be "Put onto the battlefield" by a spell or an ability.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Yes, and it hurt. I feel so violated...

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