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Topic: Rulings Thread Part 47 (ALL rules-related questions go HERE!)
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MeddlingMage Member
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posted January 11, 2011 04:24 AM
This is an easy question, I'm sure, but it's early and I'm at work and can't look it up because of work's filter( but motl comes up, go figure).Can I use cards like Steel Overseer from the Elspeth vs Tezzeret decks in tournament play? ~MM __________________ I am MeddlingMage...YOUR Motl Survivor 11 Champion and 2007 Captain N award winner.MafiaBass (9:48:50 PM): sorry my keyboard is sticky MeddlingEric (9:48:56 PM): ewwww MafiaBass (9:51:43 PM): FTR, I did not show you my e-pee-pee New keeper of the Logout button
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Meddling Pimp Member
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posted January 11, 2011 05:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by MeddlingMage: This is an easy question, I'm sure, but it's early and I'm at work and can't look it up because of work's filter( but motl comes up, go figure).Can I use cards like Steel Overseer from the Elspeth vs Tezzeret decks in tournament play? ~MM
Yes. As long as the cards have a magic back and black or white border, they're fine. Promos are legal in the same formats the normal version of the same card is.
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stu55 Member
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posted January 20, 2011 06:16 AM
Ill-Gotten Gains- So both players discard. Who picks their hand first, does it get revealed?
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Meddling Pimp Member
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posted January 20, 2011 06:20 AM
quote: Originally posted by stu55: Ill-Gotten Gains- So both players discard. Who picks their hand first, does it get revealed?
Active player chooses first. Yes, they're being chosen from a public zone, so the choices will be known.
quote: 101.4. If multiple players would make choices and/or take actions at the same time, the active player (the player whose turn it is) makes any choices required, then the next player in turn order (usually the player seated to the active player’s left) makes any choices required, followed by the remaining nonactive players in turn order. Then the actions happen simultaneously. This rule is often referred to as the “Active Player, Nonactive Player (APNAP) order” rule. Example: A card reads “Each player sacrifices a creature.” First, the active player chooses a creature he or she controls. Then each of the nonactive players, in turn order, chooses a creature he or she controls. Then all creatures chosen this way are sacrificed simultaneously.101.4a If an effect has each player choose a card in a hidden zone, such as his or her hand or library, those cards may remain face down as they’re chosen. However, each player must clearly indicate which face-down card he or she is choosing. 101.4b A player knows the choices made by the previous players when he or she makes his or her choice, except as specified in 101.4a.
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purplepat Member
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posted January 20, 2011 12:08 PM
Question regarding Lim Dul's Vault:You look at your top five cards of your library. If you elect not to spend any life to put those five on the bottom of the library and continue, when you put those top five back on the top of the library are you allowed to re-order them or do they have to go back in the same order? I know if you pay 1 life to look at the next five, you can reorder those. The way the card is written, I just am not sure if you can reorder those first five for free.
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caquaa Member
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posted January 20, 2011 12:28 PM
Look at the top five cards of your library. As many times as you choose, you may pay 1 life, put those cards on the bottom of your library, then look at the top five cards of your library. Then shuffle your library and put the last cards you looked at this way on top of it in any order.oracle wording is fairly clear.
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EuroRunner Member
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posted January 20, 2011 05:37 PM
can you use Maze of Ith at the end of combat? After damage has been dealt that is but before the next main phase?
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thror Member
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posted January 20, 2011 05:46 PM
Yes.__________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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MeddlingMage Member
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posted January 21, 2011 07:57 PM
If my opponent has in play darksteel forge and Mycosynth Lattice making all permanents artifacts and thus indestructable can tezzerret the seeker stay alive w/ 0 loyalty counter and can he go into the negative?~MM __________________ I am MeddlingMage...YOUR Motl Survivor 11 Champion, 2007 Captain N award winner, 2010 Marlboro award winner.MafiaBass (9:48:50 PM): sorry my keyboard is sticky MeddlingEric (9:48:56 PM): ewwww MafiaBass (9:51:43 PM): FTR, I did not show you my e-pee-pee New keeper of the Logout button
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SageShadows Member
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posted January 21, 2011 08:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by MeddlingMage: If my opponent has in play darksteel forge and Mycosynth Lattice making all permanents artifacts and thus indestructable can tezzerret the seeker stay alive w/ 0 loyalty counter and can he go into the negative?~MM
I believe that the planeswalker would be binned because of it's a SBA. "If a planeswalker's loyalty is 0, it's put into its owner's graveyard as a state-based effect." It's kind of like Darksteel Colossus dying because it has 11 -1/-1 counters on it.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by SageShadows on January 21, 2011]
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TimeBeing Member
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posted January 21, 2011 09:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by SageShadows: [QUOTE]Originally posted by MeddlingMage: If my opponent has in play darksteel forge and Mycosynth Lattice making all permanents artifacts and thus indestructable can tezzerret the seeker stay alive w/ 0 loyalty counter and can he go into the negative?~MM
I believe that the planeswalker would be binned because of it's a SBA. "If a planeswalker's loyalty is 0, it's put into its owner's graveyard as a state-based effect." It's kind of like Darksteel Colossus dying because it has 11 -1/-1 counters on it. Correct me if I'm wrong, anybody! [/QUOTE]nope your right. Indestructable Does not stop SBE and damage delt to a planeswalker removes Loyalty counters, so it would go to the graveyard..
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JoshSherman Member
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posted January 21, 2011 10:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by SageShadows: Correct me if I'm wrong, anybody!
Thanks for answering that question, SageShadows. The only thing that concerns me is what I quoted. I know we don't get every question right the first time (though we do get nearly all)-- and that statistically I'm probably the worst offender, but when you phrase your answer like you're not sure you're right, it's better to not answer the question. From the first post: quote:
If you are going to answer a question, please be 100% sure that your answer is correct. If you are just guessing or *think* you know the answer, keep it to yourself. There are plenty of judges and people who will know it correctly, and if multiple answers are given, it just confuses the person who asked.
I recommend staying away from non-committing statements like the one I quoted from now on. Naturally, I recommend being right, too, but you seem to have that one down __________________ *MafiaBass*Joshweek*Letter Bombs!*Prices*Gatherer*Logout
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SageShadows Member
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posted January 21, 2011 11:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by JoshSherman: Thanks for answering that question, SageShadows. The only thing that concerns me is what I quoted. I know we don't get every question right the first time (though we do get nearly all)-- and that statistically I'm probably the worst offender, but when you phrase your answer like you're not sure you're right, it's better to not answer the question. From the first post:I recommend staying away from non-committing statements like the one I quoted from now on. Naturally, I recommend being right, too, but you seem to have that one down
Sorry about that, didn't see that part. Edited my post.
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fluffycow Member
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posted January 25, 2011 06:27 PM
If I play meddling kids and name ' creature' does that stop wrath?
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caquaa Member
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posted January 26, 2011 12:13 AM
quote: Originally posted by fluffycow: If I play meddling kids and name ' creature' does that stop wrath?
un card... make your own ruling.
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JoshSherman Member
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posted January 26, 2011 04:30 AM
quote: Originally posted by fluffycow: If I play meddling kids and name ' creature' does that stop wrath?
"Creature" and "creatures" are different words, so if I were making a ruling, I'd say no. Some would consider that nitpicking, and I'd tell them to go jump in a lake. I feel like this would be along the same lines as "anal" being a word in the phrase "an album cover," to borrow from SNL. The official FAQ only says that flavor text is considered when determining whether you can play a card. Since Un-cards aren't tournament legal, though, this is one of the rare truly subjectrive moments in Magic. "Target" is a far better choice pretty much every time, though. Also, caquaa, if you weren't going to answer, you shouldn't have posted. __________________ *MafiaBass*Joshweek*Letter Bombs!*Logout Q: How many mathematicians does it take to change a light bulb? A:0.9¯
[Edited 1 times, lastly by JoshSherman on January 26, 2011]
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caquaa Member
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posted January 26, 2011 01:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by JoshSherman:
Also, caquaa, if you weren't going to answer, you shouldn't have posted.
I'll tel lyou to go jump in a lake then. Its a fun card, do what makes it the most fun and make your own rulings.
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JoshSherman Member
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posted January 26, 2011 07:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by caquaa: I'll tel lyou to go jump in a lake then.
Fair enough. __________________ *MafiaBass*Joshweek*Letter Bombs!*Logout Q: How many mathematicians does it take to change a light bulb? A:0.9¯
[Edited 1 times, lastly by JoshSherman on January 27, 2011]
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danieljloeb Member
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posted January 28, 2011 09:43 AM
FLESH ALLERGY states:As an additional cost to cast Flesh Allergy, sacrifice a creature. Destroy target creature. Its controller loses life equal to the number of creatures put into all graveyards from the battlefield this turn So my question is, if you sacrifice a Reassembling Skeleton to Bloodthrone Vampire and buy it back, then sac it again and buy it back again and then sacrifice it to Flesh Allergy and destroy another creature, will Flesh Allergy make your opponent lose 4 life or 2? IOW -- Flesh Allergy says, "loses life equal to the number of creatures put into all graveyards from the battlefield this turn" and NOT "loses one life for each time a creature was put into a graveyard from the battlefield this turn." -- SO, are the 3 occurrences of Reassembling Skeleton viewed by the card as only ONE creature (which went to the graveyard 3 times) or does Flesh Allergy see each one separately? I could see it argued either way. Hope someone can definitively answer this question. Thanks.
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Meddling Pimp Member
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posted January 28, 2011 09:59 AM
quote: Originally posted by danieljloeb: FLESH ALLERGY states:As an additional cost to cast Flesh Allergy, sacrifice a creature. Destroy target creature. Its controller loses life equal to the number of creatures put into all graveyards from the battlefield this turn So my question is, if you sacrifice a Reassembling Skeleton to Bloodthrone Vampire and buy it back, then sac it again and buy it back again and then sacrifice it to Flesh Allergy and destroy another creature, will Flesh Allergy make your opponent lose 4 life or 2? IOW -- Flesh Allergy says, "loses life equal to the number of creatures put into all graveyards from the battlefield this turn" and NOT "loses one life for each time a creature was put into a graveyard from the battlefield this turn." -- SO, are the 3 occurrences of Reassembling Skeleton viewed by the card as only ONE creature (which went to the graveyard 3 times) or does Flesh Allergy see each one separately? I could see it argued either way. Hope someone can definitively answer this question. Thanks.
Each time the Reassembling Skeleton card went to the graveyard, it was a new creature. Each time counts.
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danieljloeb Member
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posted January 28, 2011 11:13 AM
Thanks for the pimpingly speedy and direct answer. yeah, I wasn't sure if the thing had to be exiled and brought back (ala Venser or glimmerpoint stag) to be considered a "different" creature. You da man.
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foesho Member
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posted January 28, 2011 08:41 PM
Leveling question: When leveling a card and and for example it looks like this : +2 -1 +3 when the card gets to the level two does it just start to decrease or is there a certain way.
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thror Member
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posted January 28, 2011 09:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by foesho: Leveling question: When leveling a card and and for example it looks like this : +2 -1 +3 when the card gets to the level two does it just start to decrease or is there a certain way.
You really need to refine the question. Leveling creatures dont have a '-1' ability. Can you give us an actual card as a basis for the question? __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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foesho Member
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posted January 29, 2011 08:56 AM
quote: Originally posted by thror: You really need to refine the question. Leveling creatures dont have a '-1' ability. Can you give us an actual card as a basis for the question?
Like Gideon
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Sovarius Member
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posted January 29, 2011 09:12 AM
That's a planewalker, not a level. Look up Student of Warfare or Guul Draz Assassin for a level.Planeswalker's come into play with a number of loyalty counters on them from the number in the bottom right. Once per turn, when you could play a sorcery, you can use one of their abilities, granted you have that many to take away. It doesn't "get" to "level x". You just pick one and pay the price of removing or adding that number of counters, then the ability goes on the stack. If it says +1, you add a counter. If it says -4, you remove 4 (but again, you can't subtract 4 counters unless they have at least 4). You can pick any of them, you don't have to use them in order or wait any nuber of turns. -------------- Dealing damage to planeswalkers is a replacement effect, right? If i were to Lightning Bolt, i select my opponent as the target. When it resolves, then i say i want the 3 to hit the PW? You can't target a planeswalker with it, and you don't switch the damage until is resolves? Seems some people disagree, and make their decision to counter or not based on what you're hitting.
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