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Author Topic:   Rulings Thread Part 47 (ALL rules-related questions go HERE!)
thror
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quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:

Dealing damage to planeswalkers is a replacement effect, right? If i were to Lightning Bolt, i select my opponent as the target. When it resolves, then i say i want the 3 to hit the PW? You can't target a planeswalker with it, and you don't switch the damage until is resolves?
Seems some people disagree, and make their decision to counter or not based on what you're hitting.

You are correct. The bolt resolves, and then you choose to deal the damage to the player or any walker they control. They cannot wait to counter it.

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by thror on January 29, 2011]

 
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Can you Treachery an Emrakul?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by DeMoNiC DuNcE on February 07, 2011]
 
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quote:
Originally posted by DeMoNiC DuNcE:
Can you Treachery an Emrakul?

No. Treachery is an aura, and you cannot target Emrakul with it while it is on the stack. I suggest Oblivion Ring or Journey to Nowhere. Those two are permanents by the time they target, so they can target Emrakul.

I also suggest Gather Specimens.

Also, all this was in gathere under Emrakul's entry

[Edited 2 times, lastly by JoshSherman on January 31, 2011]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by JoshSherman:
You can also counter Emrakul since its protection doesn't matter until it's on the battlefield.

Emrakul, the Aeons Torn can't be countered.

Also, all this was in gatherer under Emrakul's entry

edit for completeness sake: I guess you can target him with a counterspell if you'd like, It just won't do much.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by caquaa on January 31, 2011]

 
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How do creatures with infect interact with planeswalkers? For instance:

My Plague Stinger attacks my opponents Jace Beleren which is at 3 Loyalty. He declares no blockers and does nothing to precent the damage. The Jace Beleren goes down to 2 loyalty after damage, correct?

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quote:
Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
How do creatures with infect interact with planeswalkers? For instance:

My Plague Stinger attacks my opponents Jace Beleren which is at 3 Loyalty. He declares no blockers and does nothing to precent the damage. The Jace Beleren goes down to 2 loyalty after damage, correct?


Correct. Creatures with infect deal damage to planeswalkers 'normally'.

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ruling is actually on the card itself... which requires not ruling oddly enough

Infect (This creature deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and to players in the form of poison counters.)

Planeswalker isn't mentioned, therefore it interacts with planeswalkers normally.

 
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can you pay a kicker off of a card being played by cascade?? like from bloodbraid elf
 
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Yes, kicker costs are additional costs you can pay when you cast a spell, and you are still casting it via cascade. Kick away.

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Can Kira, Great-Glass spinner be equiped with its countering spell or ability?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by TomB999:
Can Kira, Great-Glass spinner be equiped with its countering spell or ability?

if it has previously been the target of a spell or ability that turn it can be equiped without countering the equip ability. Typically if you want to equip it, you just equip it twice to get it to stick.

 
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I have Tangle Wire in play with 4 counters on it, along with Goblin Welder and 4 other lands. My opponent passes the turn and it becomes my upkeep. Tangle Wire's triggers go on the stack, with the remove resolving before the tap. If I weld out the Tangle Wire in response to the triggers, do I have to tap any permanents and why?...i borrowed this question from (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=51029) i think his answer is wrong just want a second opinion thanks
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Philip papas:
I have Tangle Wire in play with 4 counters on it, along with Goblin Welder and 4 other lands. My opponent passes the turn and it becomes my upkeep. Tangle Wire's triggers go on the stack, with the remove resolving before the tap. If I weld out the Tangle Wire in response to the triggers, do I have to tap any permanents and why?...i borrowed this question from (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=51029) i think his answer is wrong just want a second opinion thanks


His answer is correct.

When the remove a counter ability resolves, nothing happens because Tanglewire isn't there anymore.

When the tap ability resolves, it needs info on the source. When it doesn't find it in the expected zone, Last Known Information is used. LKI will tell the ability there were 4 counters when it was last there.




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The answer given in that thread is 100% correct.

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Suppose I have a Timber Protector and 3 other treefolk in play. Someone else activates Nevinyrral's Disk. What happens here? Does only the Protector go to the graveyard, or do all my treefolk?

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Disk attempts to destroy everything at once, but 3 of your treefolk are indestructible, so they survive. Just the protector will die.

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Utopia Sprawl enchanting a Taiga and a Blood Moon enters play. Does the Utopia Sprawl fall off due to the Taiga ceasing to be a Forest?

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My opponent plays Mistbind Clique at the beginning of my upkeep. In response I tap two swamps to add BB to my mana pool. Will I be able to use the mana to kill the Mistbind Clique before I lose the mana at the end of my upkeep?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
Utopia Sprawl enchanting a Taiga and a Blood Moon enters play. Does the Utopia Sprawl fall off due to the Taiga ceasing to be a Forest?


that is correct. The taiga becomes an illegal permanent and the enchantment falls off as a statebased action.

quote:
Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
My opponent plays Mistbind Clique at the beginning of my upkeep. In response I tap two swamps to add BB to my mana pool. Will I be able to use the mana to kill the Mistbind Clique before I lose the mana at the end of my upkeep?

don't see why not. Mana in your mana pool and mistbind clique don't interact at all.

 
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Combat related situation which came up when I was testing Merfolk MU:

Im being attacked by Coralheim Commander (lvl 4), Lord of Atlantis and Mishra's Factory.

Im at 3 life and I have Vampire Nighthawk.

If I block the Commander with Nighthawk, will I gain 2 life in time, reduce Lord of Atlantis to 2/2 and survive @ 1 life?

 
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All damage is dealt at once (and lifelink happens at the same time too now). So nighthawk deals 2 to commander, you gain 2, lord and factory deal 3+2 to you. End result is that you die.

The coralhelm doesn't go away until after damage is done, so he is still in play to buff the lord.

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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
All damage is dealt at once (and lifelink happens at the same time too now). So nighthawk deals 2 to commander, you gain 2, lord and factory deal 3+2 to you. End result is that you die.

The coralhelm doesn't go away until after damage is done, so he is still in play to buff the lord.


Ty.

 
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If I build up a storm count and play Brain Freeze then use Twincast on it, do I only get 1 more copy of Brain Freeze or does the new copy storm as well?

Second, can I use Gifts Ungiven and then Twincast so that I can search for 8 cards (search for 4 cards separately twice)?

Third, if something has protection from white, Wrath of God has no effect on it, correct?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by taitai_bewd:
If I build up a storm count and play Brain Freeze then use Twincast on it, do I only get 1 more copy of Brain Freeze or does the new copy storm as well?

You only get 1 more copy of brain freeze. Storm triggers when you cast the spell, and you arent casting brain freeze, you are copying it and putting it on the stack. This is why storm copies dont make more copies.

Second, can I use Gifts Ungiven and then Twincast so that I can search for 8 cards (search for 4 cards separately twice)?

It's just like casting a 2nd gifts ungiven. First one searches for 4, 2nd one searches for 4.

Third, if something has protection from white, Wrath of God has no effect on it, correct?

Incorrect. Protection only stops the following (remember this acronym) DEBT
Damage - Enchant/Equip - Blocking -Targeting
Wrath does none of them, it will destroy pro-white guys just fine.


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i asked this at the event but i wanted to be sure.

my opponent casts summoning trap (i know he can hit emerakul) i have a gather specimens in hand when can i cast? after he choses his creature of must i cast in response to summon trap which allows him to chose nobody. i am fine with gather becoming a counterspell at this point, as long as he doesn't go oops emakul.

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