Fetches are not that great without duals. Case in point, standard in its current form. And this is with a landfall block legal in standard.

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Originally posted by choco man:
Fetches are not that great without duals.

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Really? I guess that's why when Onslaught came out fetches were instantly 10.00+. This was at a time when there was basicly no vintage, no legacy and extended was only played when in season. Type 2 was pretty much the only thing being played and fetches were huge.

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Originally posted by rats60:
Really? I guess that's why when Onslaught came out fetches were instantly 10.00+. This was at a time when there was basicly no vintage, no legacy and extended was only played when in season. Type 2 was pretty much the only thing being played and fetches were huge.

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Originally posted by rats60:
Really? How big would Flooded Stand have been the last 6 months in Caw Blade? Wooded Foothills for Valakut? Bloodstained Mire for Vampires?

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Um...yes, really.

Glacial fortress and seachrome coast are way more important to cawblabe than flooded strand. At the end of the game, you could probably lose becuase you fetched a land that only made one color rather than had a real dual that actually fixed your colors.

In an even more color intensive deck like vampires, using bloodstained mire to fix your colors seems pretty weak when there are actual duals like the M12 reprint dragonskull summit ( have to find someway to remain on topic).

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Originally posted by rats60:
Really? I guess that's why when Onslaught came out fetches were instantly 10.00+.

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No they weren't.

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That'll be worth a bunch of money as the years roll by, if only because of the casual crowd. If I cared about card money these days, that's a thing I'd grab : D
5$ right now on Starcitygames.

Wasteland.
Though you could argue that STP is played more.

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Originally posted by rats60:
Really? I guess that's why when Onslaught came out fetches were instantly 10.00+.

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No, they were not. Not even in Brazil, where T2 is super expensive. I remember picking Deltas @ $2 on release day because nobody wanted them. I picked them up because of the art, mind you. I thought they were bad.

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Originally posted by -PoX-:
Love that new colorless artifact lord.
http://sales.starcitygames.com/carddisplay.php?product=279506

That'll be worth a bunch of money as the years roll by, if only because of the casual crowd. If I cared about card money these days, that's a thing I'd grab : D
5$ right now on Starcitygames.

Now if they can only make "Dinosaur" a real creature type...*sigh*

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
So...merfolk gets another lord...oh lord.

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
So...merfolk gets another lord...oh lord.

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And why would merfolk want this?

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
So...merfolk gets another lord...oh lord.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
You think juzam and plague sliver are different yet duals and snow duals would be the same? heh.

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On their own, snow duals function as regular duals. On their own, Plague Sliver is more dangerous to you than Juzam. That makes them different enough to be reprinted to me.

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Originally posted by -PoX-:
FoW wouldn't make everyone play blue. It's definitely not as strong as Jace in a Standard environment.
FoW just isn't broken. Same goes with Wasteland. It might not even say any widespread play in Standard if it gets reprinted.

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Not as strong as Jace in standard, no. But still very good, enough that i think blue would have a much better edge. Good enough, i think, that other colors would definitely need to be enhanced.
Tectonic Edge is pretty bad and still gets played. Wasteland is a very easy answer to manlands, Valakut, and the lands that ETB tapped.

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Originally posted by rats60:
I didn't realize that Salt Marsh was an island and a swamp. That is what make duals superior and other nonshockland duals unplayable crap.

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That's not really disagreeing with what i said... I was saying the USea is strictly better, you gave another reason it is better.
But that was a bag example. I'm just saying snowduals aren't /strictly/ better than regular duals.

What if they printed a version of duals without basic lands types? That's not too overpowered, but given all the crapduals i'm not too sure it will happen. Maybe as mythics someday.

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Originally posted by yukizora:
What? Now I'll have to play a kobold deck, for fun :P

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Oh man I didn't even think of that!
Stock up on Kobolds people, it'll take Legacy by storm in a month or two! 200$ Kobold Taskmasters?

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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
Even worse would be the fact they are mythic and a land that produces two colors doesn't "feel" mythic to me at all.

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
Maybe as mythics someday.

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Sigh...
Dual lands will not be printed as mythic.
Dual lands will not be printed as mythic.
Dual lands will not be printed as mythic.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Sigh...
Dual lands will not be printed as mythic.

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
Not even if it is really strong? Did someone say this or is that your guess?

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It was heavily implied, if not outright stated, by Rosewater that lands would not be made mythic. First of all, strength has nothing to do with mythic rarity.

For another, why in god's name would a dual land be mythic? As oneofchaos pointed out, a land is not terribly mythic or memorable for you, the planeswalker. Meeting a fellow planeswalker? that's mythic. Finding a behemoth who creates copies of himself (Godsire)? That's mythic. Seeing a phyrexian praetor? That's mythic.

Finding an underground sea, or a taiga? that's not mythic.
three cycles of rare dual-colored lands have proven this. Not even legendary lands are mythic; the land cycle in zendikar proved that.

The simple truth is lands are not mythic.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
It was heavily implied, if not outright stated, by Rosewater that lands would not be made mythic. First of all, strength has nothing to do with mythic rarity.

For another, why in god's name would a dual land be mythic? As oneofchaos pointed out, a land is not terribly mythic or memorable for you, the planeswalker. Meeting a fellow planeswalker? that's mythic. Finding a behemoth who creates copies of himself (Godsire)? That's mythic. Seeing a phyrexian praetor? That's mythic.

Finding an underground sea, or a taiga? that's not mythic.
three cycles of rare dual-colored lands have proven this. Not even legendary lands are mythic; the land cycle in zendikar proved that.

The simple truth is lands are not mythic.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
Fetches could be had for under $5 all day.

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Originally posted by rats60:
I don't know who you guys were ripping off to get fetches for under 5.00. They were more than 5.00 after they dropped rotating out of Type 2.

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In the first two weeks after Onslaught's release, *nobody* wanted fetches.

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Originally posted by SageShadows:
Eye of Ugin (and kinda Strip Mine) would like to disagree.

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Meh, fair enough on eye of ugin.

But, considering it doesn't even tap for mana, it's kind of one step removed even from normal lands.