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Originally posted by Bugger:
It was heavily implied, if not outright stated, by Rosewater that lands would not be made mythic. First of all, strength has nothing to do with mythic rarity.

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I agree with all of your examples and understand, but there have been some Mythics that haven't really been as 'mythic' feeling as some rares, and vice versa. I know it comes down to opinion but it seems more random than it is planned. I would have thought that every legendary permanent would be mythic (the way you describe mythics is basically the same thoughts i have). Meeting Melira herself is mythic, coming across a Phyrexian Obliterator is not. From Oblits power level i could imagine he is a rare occurence (same with his actual card rarity) but Melira is still a one-and-only.

So i do think it somewhat comes down to power level somewhat, of the card and what it represents. I'm making a broad generalization about a lot of sets but i think in general the Mythics are more powerful than the rares. They haven't always gotten it down just right, but i definitely see a pattern.
Rare cards, even if they are not good because of their CC and triple-color requirements, have strong effects that just aren't put onto uncommons. This also caters to limited environments but it's still flavorfully realistic, like Sphinx of Magosi. I think the same follows suit for mythics being 'better' than rares.

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
I agree with all of your examples and understand, but there have been some Mythics that haven't really been as 'mythic' feeling as some rares, and vice versa. I know it comes down to opinion but it seems more random than it is planned. I would have thought that every legendary permanent would be mythic (the way you describe mythics is basically the same thoughts i have). Meeting Melira herself is mythic, coming across a Phyrexian Obliterator is not. From Oblits power level i could imagine he is a rare occurence (same with his actual card rarity) but Melira is still a one-and-only.

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Well, legendary doesn't equate to mythic, that's always been true. I mean, even way back to Rakka Mar and Gwafa Hazid, legendary status has never been a guarantee of mythic rarity. It's a bit funky, I agree, but IIRC the explanation was basically that, obviously, some people are more awe-inspiring and/or impactful to the fate of the multiverse than others. To draw what may end up being a very half-assed comparison, it'd be like the difference between calling upon Harrison Ford and summoning me. Harrison Ford is Indiana Jones, Han Solo, and Richard Kimble, and he patrols the Hudson river in his own helicopter, on the lookout to rescue people (no, seriously, he actually does that). Harrison Ford would be mythic. What am I? A student and a host at [chain restaurant]? Yeah, I'm a discrete individual, so I'm legendary, but I'm not particularly mythic At least that's how I figure it. And in the case of Melira, yeah she's the fleshling, but it's not as though she commands incredible power, or is a leader of vast armies or nations. Although, in a meta sense, since she's one of the scarce few females in the multiverse without overexaggerated proportions or sexualized clothing, you could argue that she's pretty damn rare

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So i do think it somewhat comes down to power level somewhat, of the card and what it represents. I'm making a broad generalization about a lot of sets but i think in general the Mythics are more powerful than the rares. They haven't always gotten it down just right, but i definitely see a pattern.

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Really? I don't. For every Vengevine there is a Fauna Shaman, for every Jace a Stoneforge. For every Primeval Titan, a valakut. I think people focus on mythics when they do become popular in tournaments because they think back to Mark Rosewater's statement that mythic will not be determined by power level and incorrectly interpret that as saying "there will be no powerful mythics". There are plenty of tournament-quality mythics - the Titan cycle, for one. Just as there are plenty of unplayable mythics - the 4ABBC creatures from Shards of Alara (Sphinx Sovereign and kin).

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Rare cards, even if they are not good because of their CC and triple-color requirements, have strong effects that just aren't put onto uncommons. This also caters to limited environments but it's still flavorfully realistic, like Sphinx of Magosi. I think the same follows suit for mythics being 'better' than rares.

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I will agree that there is a noticeable, traceable trend that cards which tend to have a greater impact on the battlefield are put at mythic. However, I don't think this is necessarily done for the sake of limited, but rather because it's the standard by which mythic is determined ("splashy, flashy effect = mythic" seems to be their M.O.). Does it follow that a splashier effect means the card is better? Hell no. Is Comet Storm splashier than Slagstorm? Oh absolutely, but slagstorm is definitely more played.

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Really though, i guess the only lands i can see being mythic are legends (even if they've only done one so far). They had a chance to print Fetches as mythics and they didn't, which came as a surprise to me. Fetches are pretty damn strong.

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Even if strength were a criteria in determining mythic status, I severely doubt Wizards would commit the suicidal move of deliberately printing chase lands at mythic just for the hell of it.

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I still would not be surprised if they actually did print mythic versions of duals, even if not from any point of view you or i mentioned, but for the fact that they would be rarer and sell more packs.

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It's also worth noting that I recall someone crunched numbers and realized that the odds of opening a specific mythic rare card in a small set is the same odds as opening a specific rare card in a large set in the days of yore.

Not to mention the fact that regular rares are now slightly "less rare" than they were before, and thus cheaper.

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Originally posted by SageShadows:
Eye of Ugin (and kinda Strip Mine) would like to disagree.

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Originally posted by Mr.C:
In the first two weeks after Onslaught's release, *nobody* wanted fetches.

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Originally posted by rats60:
Maybe nobody in Brazil. The dealers at our prerelease were paying more than 5.00 each and I never got less than 8.00 in trade from a dealer. All of the serious players wanted playsets of all of them from the moment they came out. Congatulations on taking advantage of the uninformed.

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For what it's worth, nobody in Central NY either, and I remember the MOTL guide having them probably 4-6 a piece. Maybe dealers at the pre-release were paying more, but the fetches weren't in high demand right away, at least from my recollection. I think it wasn't until the revised duals started climbing that the fetches became valuable. I'm not exactly sure about the timing, but I remember it being right around Mirrodin, when everything Vintage went flying.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
So, the whole set's been spoiled. Thoughts?

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It's terrible. However, the power level was rising too much.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
So, the whole set's been spoiled. Thoughts?

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Like Timely Reinforcements. Doesn't take much for that to become a haymaker against an aggro deck. With honor of the pure it could just wreck some faces.

And the new Jace might be better than people think. I could see him winning games by decking fairly easily if the format is slow enough and there surely seems to be a lot of cards that enable slow controlling decks in m12.

Jace's Archivist also seems like a wild card... that's a Fauna Shaman kind of creature that can fuel a crazy deck, especially with Visions of Beyond in the same set.

Also can't wait to see what people come up with for Vengeful Pharaoh.

Chandra's Phoenix also seems like it has potential for constructed.

Scrambleverse is the best casual card I've seen in a while. Fans of Shaharazad and Warp World will probably love this thing : D

Also what's up with wall of torches just being a worse wall of razors? What a lame card.

New Garruk might be the best card in m12. Just seems like fuel for a massive beating. And maybe hunter's insight can do something funky. There's starting to be a couple of free pump spells available now.. Invigorate and that free phyrexian giant growth... Maybe paying 2G to draw 5-6 cards is a pretty good batting average. Until you get doom bladed of course : P
StingerFling spider is a giant bitch-slap for limited. It seems quite ridiculous.

And kudos to anyone who makes a deck with the "Empire" pieces and wins a tournament with it.

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Originally posted by -PoX-:

Buried Ruin is a pretty sweet land for the older formats. Let's see if it fits anywhere.

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I play it in my White Stax

(well... proxie for legacy playtesting :P)

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Originally posted by bigbob585:
Does anybody else think that grand abolisher has the potential to be one of the next broken cards?

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No.

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Originally posted by revenger:
Personal Sanctuary with n e painland. I like it, but I don't think you can build a deck just for that.

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Originally posted by GenghisTom:
Or Fastbond, but Glacial Chasm is always better.

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Does it work with chasm as it's upkeep costs, pay life. not damage. idk.

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Originally posted by coasterdude84:
I didn't feel like thumbing through 11 pages of this thread, so my apologies if we've been over this already, but I kinda like Angelic Destiny.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Good with hexproof. Otherwise not good.
Thankfully, Thrun.

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Why thrun?

Gladecover Scout, Sacred Wolf, are better options.

Since you can attack with them on the turn you toss Angelic Destiny onto them.

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Originally posted by joz:
Why thrun?

Gladecover Scout, Sacred Wolf, are better options.

Since you can attack with them on the turn you toss Angelic Destiny onto them.

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