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Topic: Magic 2012 Spoiler and Discussion Thread
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Heresy19 Member
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posted July 02, 2011 12:02 AM
quote: Originally posted by wayne: Anyone else thinks that Chandra 3 looks like Lady Gaga?
Chandra dosen't look like a man.... at least not from my point of view :/
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daanz New Member
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posted July 02, 2011 01:55 AM
quote: Originally posted by wayne: Anyone else thinks that Chandra 3 looks like Lady Gaga?
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caquaa Member
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posted July 02, 2011 02:13 AM
quote: Originally posted by Havoc Demon: Maybe in 1996 that would be a good thing. White Weenie almost always sucks.
unless you've been following block at all then you'll notice that puresteel white weenie and/or tempered steel mono white decks are running the format. It could potentially find a home.
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thror Member
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posted July 02, 2011 08:02 AM
quote: Originally posted by caquaa: unless you've been following block at all then you'll notice that puresteel white weenie and/or tempered steel mono white decks are running the format. It could potentially find a home.
you realize at least one of those is only a 'white deck' because it plays a 1WW enchantment and a bunch of colorless dudes? oh and there arent titans available in that format either. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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Myy Member
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posted July 02, 2011 12:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by wayne: Anyone else thinks that Chandra 3 looks like Lady Gaga?
OMG, so I'm NOT the only one?? I knew there'd be other that thought so too!
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joz Banned
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posted July 02, 2011 02:10 PM
Does anyone else think Lady Gaga looks like Chandra?__________________ Joz - can we ban Leshrac for not fixing the Chrome PM issue?Gunslinga - If I thought it would help, and if I could, I would.
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caquaa Member
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posted July 02, 2011 02:29 PM
quote: Originally posted by thror: you realize at least one of those is only a 'white deck' because it plays a 1WW enchantment and a bunch of colorless dudes? oh and there arent titans available in that format either.
They all play hero of bladehold and dispatch as well. Some play glint hawk, others play white spell bomb and glint hawk idol. I personally like running mirran crusader as well. Fairly sure that many cards qualify as being white. I'm not sure what titan has to do w/ white weenie. I'd mention things like day of judgement instead of titans...
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Bugger Member
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posted July 02, 2011 03:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by caquaa: They all play hero of bladehold and dispatch as well. Some play glint hawk, others play white spell bomb and glint hawk idol. I personally like running mirran crusader as well. Fairly sure that many cards qualify as being white. I'm not sure what titan has to do w/ white weenie. I'd mention things like day of judgement instead of titans...
That aside, he does play well with Sun Titan, considering it's going to draw removal like no other. __________________ "I never got any respect at all. My family moved a lot when I was a kid, but I always found them." -- Rodney Dangerfield
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rats60 Member
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posted July 02, 2011 04:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by caquaa: They all play hero of bladehold and dispatch as well. Some play glint hawk, others play white spell bomb and glint hawk idol. I personally like running mirran crusader as well. Fairly sure that many cards qualify as being white. I'm not sure what titan has to do w/ white weenie. I'd mention things like day of judgement instead of titans...
Those are Block decks not Type 2.
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caquaa Member
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posted July 02, 2011 04:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by rats60: Those are Block decks not Type 2.
those are future standard decks... considering we're talking about an M12 card and such. They might even be current standard decks w/ bannings and all.
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rats60 Member
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posted July 02, 2011 05:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by caquaa: those are future standard decks... considering we're talking about an M12 card and such. They might even be current standard decks w/ bannings and all.
Those are bad future standard decks. Like he said, WW is bad in standard. The best WW deck would be quest and it is better as green/white.
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caquaa Member
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posted July 02, 2011 05:29 PM
quest won't be available after rotation. Block is typically a preview of what standard can be like. As an example, RUG was born out of block. Not sure how this is a difficult concept to grasp.
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VividDeathPanda Member
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posted July 02, 2011 08:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by rats60: Those are bad future standard decks. Like he said, WW is bad in standard. The best WW deck would be quest and it is better as green/white.
That's not true, I have a T2 white weenie equipment deck and it does pretty good thanks to the swords,Kor Duelist, and Auriok Edgewright. I've also got holy relic, and dispatch. The highest CMC in it is 3. So white weenie is still very playable in standard.
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thror Member
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posted July 02, 2011 08:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by VividDeathPanda: That's not true, I have a T2 white weenie equipment deck and it does pretty good thanks to the swords,Kor Duelist, and Auriok Edgewright. I've also got holy relic, and dispatch. The highest CMC in it is 3. So white weenie is still very playable in standard.
'doing pretty good' at FNM doesn't mean anything. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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Bugger Member
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posted July 02, 2011 08:59 PM
hey, I have an idea, let's have a ****ing contest on the viability of a deck next year in a standard which will largely be completely unpredictable. White weenie has been viable in the past. Will it be viable in the future? Possibly. The pieces are there, it just needs the proper support cards. Artifact-flavored Tempered Steel WW will be taking a hit from Steel Overseer disappearing from M12, but we'll see what happens. But yes, WW has been viable before, I distinctly recall Kithkin cleaning up in late april/may the year Shadowmoor was printed. Mirrorweave pushed it over the top. __________________ "I never got any respect at all. My family moved a lot when I was a kid, but I always found them." -- Rodney Dangerfield
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VividDeathPanda Member
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posted July 02, 2011 10:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by thror: 'doing pretty good' at FNM doesn't mean anything.
True, I wasn't bolstering, as I'm sure most of you care less, just trying to point out the viability of a white weenie deck in standard. Not saying it's super amazing, but it is there, and can be threatening when built and played correctly.
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ScottyStyles Member
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posted July 03, 2011 01:23 AM
So... Ponder's in.For 3 months or so, we'll have four 1-casting cost "Draw 1" cards. Start with 4x Ponder, 4x Preordain, 4x Gitaxian Probe, 4x Visions of Beyond... you're essentially starting with a 44 card deck, and a LOT of strong digging spells in Ponder and Preordain. Yes, I know it's not *quite* like running 44 cards but it's close. Is it exploitable? Cheat on the land count some to draw into... what more reliably? Splinter Twin combo? Something else?
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keywacat Member
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posted July 03, 2011 01:38 AM
So when do you lot think WotC will reprint the 'allied' fetchlands?
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MagixDK Member
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posted July 03, 2011 01:49 AM
quote: Originally posted by keywacat: So when do you lot think WotC will reprint the 'allied' fetchlands?
never i hope. i dont see why it needs a reprint. also i have alot, and would lose money :/
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ScottyStyles Member
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posted July 03, 2011 02:51 AM
quote: Originally posted by keywacat: So when do you lot think WotC will reprint the 'allied' fetchlands?
If Modern takes off as a format, I'm sure they'll find their way into being reprinted in fairly short order.
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rats60 Member
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posted July 03, 2011 08:48 AM
quote: Originally posted by Bugger: White weenie has been viable in the past. Will it be viable in the future? Possibly.
The point the OP was making was that it was viable in Mirage/Tempest block Type 2 and hasn't been since. Will it be viable in the future? Not likely. Will block decks be good in the new Type 2? Not likely, it rarely happens. WOTC isn't making a new block of cards so that they will be dominated by the last block.
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Havoc Demon Member
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posted July 03, 2011 12:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by rats60: The point the OP was making was that it was viable in Mirage/Tempest block Type 2 and hasn't been since.
This is pretty much what I was alluding to, aside from the appearance around Lorwyn. White Weenie sucks. __________________ Most References in Massachusetts 85th All-timeSupport my friend's store: http://www.tabletoparena.com
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daner Member
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posted July 03, 2011 03:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by ScottyStyles: If Modern takes off as a format, I'm sure they'll find their way into being reprinted in fairly short order.
If modern takes off as a format expect to see not only those but the Shocklands, Tarmogoyf, and Dark Confidant....and any card that exceeds $30 a piece. The whole reason why WOTC wanted a new format was 1.Ext is dead, 2. People are complaining about the high costs to get involved with Legacy. Since Legacy is easily the most popular format right now(Id' bet), and WOTC can't really control prices for people to play, the next best thing would be a new format that is almost like Legacy for the most part. With a new format that isn't really restricted by the reprint policy they can do whatever they want. Could you imagine the sales of a set with Tarmogoyf in it again? How about Dark Confidant? Or re-print the ShockDuals over a block again? Yes, it's called the quest for more money, and Modern is that quest.
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choco man Member
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posted July 03, 2011 05:58 PM
Wotc makes way more money designing and printing new sets than it does simply reprinting stuff. When Baneslayer Angel was reprinted, it was widely proclaimed a cash-grab, when in reality Wotc's new titans were the headliners. I think a majority of players miss out on the point of reprints and blindly accuse wotc of it being just a blatant cash-grab. While some releases are (elspeth v. tezzeret), some of these reprints are even player driven (from the vaults). Even if when they reprint cards, wotc doesn't just do anything they want. Keeping the game dynamic and healthy imposes a huge contraint on what they can and will do.
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Bugger Member
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posted July 03, 2011 07:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by daner: If modern takes off as a format expect to see not only those but the Shocklands, Tarmogoyf, and Dark Confidant....and any card that exceeds $30 a piece. The whole reason why WOTC wanted a new format was 1.Ext is dead, 2. People are complaining about the high costs to get involved with Legacy. Since Legacy is easily the most popular format right now(Id' bet), and WOTC can't really control prices for people to play, the next best thing would be a new format that is almost like Legacy for the most part. With a new format that isn't really restricted by the reprint policy they can do whatever they want. Could you imagine the sales of a set with Tarmogoyf in it again? How about Dark Confidant? Or re-print the ShockDuals over a block again? Yes, it's called the quest for more money, and Modern is that quest.
Congratulations professor, you've stumbled upon the truly staggering discovery that companies exist to turn a profit! I'm really getting sick of people ragging on wizards for being profit-oriented when that's the whole ****ing point of their enterprise. And hey, guess what? If magic isn't deemed profitable enough to keep around, hasbro will have it cancelled before you can say "black lotus". And then the precious secondary market is gone. So I for one am completely fine with wizards trying to compete for my dollar, because it keeps the game I love alive. Yes, it's fun to go back to the bull**** standby of "those money-grubbers", but the world isn't that simple. In case it wasn't already obvious, not all of this rant is directed specifically at daner. __________________ "I never got any respect at all. My family moved a lot when I was a kid, but I always found them." -- Rodney Dangerfield
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