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Bugger Member	posted June 27, 2011 05:57 PM quote: Originally posted by junichi: Skinshifter looks good on paper, but that is pretty much it. It forces you to have mana open each turn for it to be relevant, and hinders your spell casting greatly, especially on the first five turns. Primordial Hydra is like a Mythic Scute Mob, which means it is still a Scute Mob. Vengeful Pharaoh is like a bad No Mercy. A better way of describing it would be a No Mercy in the spirit of Erayo's Essence that makes you skip your next draw. __________________ "I never got any respect at all. My family moved a lot when I was a kid, but I always found them." -- Rodney Dangerfield
AlmostGrown Member	posted June 27, 2011 08:04 PM At least it is furthuring the hint that Innistrad is graveyard themed (a la M11's Phylacetry Lich).
Heresy19 Member	posted June 27, 2011 08:42 PM quote: Originally posted by junichi: The card is not free. You need to have a useful discard outlet that doesn't die to a bolt to discard it. Emo Jace's 0 ability targetting yourself Casual game plan, but still :P
joz Banned	posted June 27, 2011 08:58 PM quote: Originally posted by AlmostGrown: At least it is furthuring the hint that Innistrad is graveyard themed (a la M11's Phylacetry Lich). A la Elixir of Immortality reference to Baron Sengir? __________________ Joz - can we ban Leshrac for not fixing the Chrome PM issue? Gunslinga - If I thought it would help, and if I could, I would.
skizzikmonger Member	posted June 27, 2011 09:41 PM Deffinately running at least 2 of this in Tezzeret [Edited 1 times, lastly by skizzikmonger on June 27, 2011]
joz Banned	posted June 27, 2011 09:57 PM quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: Deffinately running at least 2 of this in Tezzeret Is that going to be (if real) an autoinclude in just about everything, ever? __________________ Joz - can we ban Leshrac for not fixing the Chrome PM issue? Gunslinga - If I thought it would help, and if I could, I would.
-PoX- Member	posted June 27, 2011 10:12 PM quote: Originally posted by junichi: The card is not free. You need to have a useful discard outlet that doesn't die to a bolt to discard it. In magic that's a lot less difficult than coming up with 4 mana. Especially outside of standard.
junichi Moderator	posted June 27, 2011 10:16 PM quote: Originally posted by -PoX-: In magic that's a lot less difficult than coming up with 4 mana. Especially outside of standard. I seriously doubt this will see any play outside of standard. Maybe crap.dec. __________________ MOTL Fantasy NBA 2010 Champion Get a brain, Morans!
joz Banned	posted June 27, 2011 11:00 PM quote: Originally posted by junichi: I seriously doubt this will see any play outside of standard. Maybe crap.dec. More like "themed-casual.dec" __________________ Joz - can we ban Leshrac for not fixing the Chrome PM issue? Gunslinga - If I thought it would help, and if I could, I would.
-PoX- Member	posted June 28, 2011 12:06 AM quote: Originally posted by junichi: I seriously doubt this will see any play outside of standard. Maybe crap.dec. Probably
WeedIan Member	posted June 28, 2011 07:54 AM Did they just print this!? Dredge can run 4 Recalls! Visions of Beyond u Instant Rare Draw a card. If a graveyard has twenty or more cards in it, draw three cards instead. "The past is the foundation for all that exists in the present. We merely reconstruct what our ancestors have already discovered." - Sachimir, Sage of Memories
stacker Member	posted June 28, 2011 07:59 AM ...and what exactly what would you replace in dredge with this garbage
Myy Member	posted June 28, 2011 08:03 AM quote: Originally posted by stacker: ...and what exactly what would you replace in dredge with this garbage you know I was thinking the exact same thing. It's an awesome card, but what does it replace?
stacker Member	posted June 28, 2011 08:06 AM basically, to dredge as a deck, brainstorm and this card does the same thing as a draw 3; the put back 2 clause is irrelevant to dredge and dredge doesn't even play brainstorm
Havoc Demon Member	posted June 28, 2011 08:29 AM Dredge doesn't really have any problems trying to draw cards to begin with, no point fixing what isn't broke. __________________ Most References in Massachusetts 85th All-time Support my friend's store: http://www.tabletoparena.com
Bugger Member	posted June 28, 2011 01:00 PM quote: Originally posted by Havoc Demon: Dredge doesn't really have any problems trying to draw cards to begin with, no point fixing what isn't broke. Salvationites are wetting themselves over this one. The only case that sounds like it might actually see play is against dredge, since it checks for any graveyard. But then you remember that if you're playing against dredge and they've got 20+ cards in their 'hand', you're going to want something like a Crypt or a Jailer instead of just drawing three. Nobody in their right mind is going to take out four sideboard slots of graveyard hate (which, y'know, actually fights dredge) for this. If you crack one at the pre-re, sell it or trade it before the price drops. __________________ "I never got any respect at all. My family moved a lot when I was a kid, but I always found them." -- Rodney Dangerfield
nderdog Moderator	posted June 28, 2011 01:05 PM quote: Originally posted by Bugger: Salvationites are wetting themselves over this one. Best argument I've heard yet for it being useless... __________________ There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here! All your Gruul Nodorogs are belong to me. Trade them to me, please! Report rules violations. Remember the Auctions Board!
joz Banned	posted June 28, 2011 01:05 PM quote: Originally posted by Bugger: Salvationites are wetting themselves over this one. The only case that sounds like it might actually see play is against dredge, since it checks for any graveyard. But then you remember that if you're playing against dredge and they've got 20+ cards in their 'hand', you're going to want something like a Crypt or a Jailer instead of just drawing three. Nobody in their right mind is going to take out four sideboard slots of graveyard hate (which, y'know, actually fights dredge) for this. If you crack one at the pre-re, sell it or trade it before the price drops. I forsee it being an EDH favorite; maybe even a staple, but its price won't hold to high unless blue mill turns out to be very powerfull. __________________ Joz - can we ban Leshrac for not fixing the Chrome PM issue? Gunslinga - If I thought it would help, and if I could, I would.
Myy Member	posted June 28, 2011 01:17 PM What do you guys think of the overcosted pandemonium??
MasterWolf Member	posted June 28, 2011 01:19 PM quote: Originally posted by Myy: What do you guys think of the overcosted pandemonium?? Awesome in EDH terrible elsewhere? Also it's not pandemonium because its only your creatures.
gcowhsu Member	posted June 28, 2011 02:54 PM The visions card sucks balls. If I had 20 cards in my graveyard I would be lavamancing like crazy. It could be decent in Legacy bant to help out goyf and knight. Not sure what I would drop maybe a daze and/or ponder. For six mana Red has something called Inferno Titan. WAY better. If it was like 3 or 4 to cast I would pair it with birthing pods and vengevines, but it's way too costly to be any help. It does seem good in EDH though. [Edited 1 times, lastly by gcowhsu on June 28, 2011]
Havoc Demon Member	posted June 28, 2011 03:06 PM quote: Originally posted by Myy: What do you guys think of the overcosted pandemonium?? Naturally I tear apart Kiki-Jiki EDH and this happens. __________________ Most References in Massachusetts 85th All-time Support my friend's store: http://www.tabletoparena.com
-PoX- Member	posted June 28, 2011 03:08 PM The new pandemonium is horrible. Might be hope for that 2 mana clone. How bad can illusions be with Spellskite around? Come oooooon : D Also I wish I witnessed someone casting that card that redistributes the nonland permanents at random in an edh game... that would **** EVERYONE off. It would take 20 minutes just to get it sorted out : D And it reminds me of my most hated Shandalar card ever: Power Struggle. Screw that card.
Heresy19 Member	posted June 28, 2011 03:40 PM Personal Sanctuary .... a step foward my Turbo Fog
skizzikmonger Member	posted June 28, 2011 06:46 PM Solemn Simulacrum is back

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