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TimeBeing
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posted June 30, 2011 10:26 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for TimeBeing Click Here to Email TimeBeing Send a private message to TimeBeing Click to send TimeBeing an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by fluffycow:
Really? I think the artifact is absolute trash. I mean most of the stuff you would want to skip would be during your upkeep and if you end your turn during your upkeep, you pretty much gave your opponent a time walk. I guess you can counter your opponent's brainstorm at EoT but no good player would let you do that. just my .02

Right but if your avoiding paying upkeep cost that let you lock out the game. Say Glacial Chasm and Solitary Confinement then you can sit there and wait for your opponent to deck themselves.

 
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posted June 30, 2011 10:51 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Volcanon Click Here to Email Volcanon Send a private message to Volcanon Click to send Volcanon an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
!!! Combo !!!

Eater of Days + End my turn
Final Fortune + End my turn

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
!!! Combo !!!

Eater of Days + End my turn
Final Fortune + End my turn


Not to mention:
Solitary confinement
Phyrexian dreadnought
Boldwyr heavyweights
Glacial chasm
Braids, Cabal Minion
Dreamborn Muse
Any cumulative upkeep card
Pacts
Etc

Yes, infinite sundial is a card I very much want 4 of

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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
!!! Combo !!!

Eater of Days + End my turn
Final Fortune + End my turn


Can you do that with Final Fortune? That would be pretty sick...

 
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posted June 30, 2011 12:32 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Bugger Click Here to Email Bugger Send a private message to Bugger Click to send Bugger an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by fluffycow:
Can you do that with Final Fortune? That would be pretty sick...

Just end your turn with the lose the game trigger on the stack, exiling it! You can do similar nasty stuff with Mistmeadow Witch and Glimmerpoint Stag, ending your turn when the "return to the battlefield" trigger is on the stack, exiling it for good.

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I think it'd be a really fun card to build around casually, but there's no way in hell it's going to do anything competitively.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by SageShadows:
I think it'd be a really fun card to build around casually, but there's no way in hell it's going to do anything competitively.

WOTC seems more willing to print good casual cards recently (as opposited to fetid garbage and t2 gold like earlier sets).

 
TimeBeing
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posted June 30, 2011 02:05 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for TimeBeing Click Here to Email TimeBeing Send a private message to TimeBeing Click to send TimeBeing an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by fluffycow:
Can you do that with Final Fortune? That would be pretty sick...

yes. SCG just up'd there prices for all the rarer Final Fortune cards (Last Chance 1$to3$ and Warrior's Oath 10$to20$)

 
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It seems to me like WotC is centralizing this deck around basic tactics (White Lifegain/Damage Prevention, Blue Mil, Red Burn...) and doing a good job of it. The set has some interesting cards and nothing HUGELY overpowered *cough* JTMS *cough* it should be fun. Oh and Eater of Days+Torpor Orb+Infinite Sundial(?Lightning Greaves?) = my new casual deck lol.
 
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New garruk looks...interesting. Normally since he's 5 mana I'd say instantly unplayable, but considering his + ability protects himself better than Elspeth and more permanently than Koth, and that his minus is (when paired with the plus) pretty sizeable CA...I don't know. That GGG in the mana cost sure is a doozy though.

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joz
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posted June 30, 2011 09:19 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for joz Click Here to Email joz Send a private message to joz Click to send joz an Instant MessageVisit joz's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
http://i.imgur.com/Sauaw.jpg

spoiler for garruk, EDH playable for sure, gona pre-order him, because I know hes going to command a price premium.


edit: nothe' spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/OJA7e.jpg

2/2 for WW + silence/null rod/dampening matrix
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[Edited 1 times, lastly by joz on June 30, 2011]

 
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posted July 01, 2011 12:17 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for -PoX- Click Here to Email -PoX- Send a private message to -PoX- Click to send -PoX- an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
The new Garruk seems ... pretty damn good.
 
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M12 is looking to be a very good set, lots of EDH, Cube, T2, and Legacy playable cards.

Three new Planswalkers, all of which I think are good, two of which will likely see T2 play without the need of anything else being printed.

Only downside I've seen thus far is Common/Uncommon haven't seen anything that makes me want to open large amounts of it, which is sad...I like my .50-1$ commons, and 4-7$ uncommon.

Basically see about 1 common, and 5 uncommon that are new, and I would want a playset of, common might see some value, uncommon, other the Timely Reinforcements and the new Greaves, I don't see any getting expensive.

So far tho My favorite card is the

Arachnus Spinner 5G
Creature - Spider Rare
Reach
Tap an untapped Spider you control: Search your graveyard and/or library for a card named Arachnus Web and put it onto the battlefield attached to target creature. If you search your library this way, shuffle it.
5/7

Arachnus Web 2G
Enchantment - Aura Common
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature can't attack or block, and its activated abilities can't be activated.
At the beginning of the end step, if enchanted creature's power is 4 or greater, destroy Arachnus Web.

So flavorful, only downside is I play EDH almost exclusively, and I can only run 1 of each, which makes me a little sad.

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posted July 01, 2011 07:28 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Volcanon Click Here to Email Volcanon Send a private message to Volcanon Click to send Volcanon an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by joz:
http://i.imgur.com/Sauaw.jpg

spoiler for garruk, EDH playable for sure, gona pre-order him, because I know hes going to command a price premium.


edit: nothe' spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/OJA7e.jpg

2/2 for WW + silence/null rod/dampening matrix


The 2/2 is a colorshifted Dosan that prevents most abilities. It might see a bit of a splash if there's a combo deck that uses white. Otherwise probably not.

 
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posted July 01, 2011 07:34 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for joz Click Here to Email joz Send a private message to joz Click to send joz an Instant MessageVisit joz's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
The 2/2 is a colorshifted Dosan that prevents most abilities. It might see a bit of a splash if there's a combo deck that uses white. Otherwise probably not.

But is is also in white weenie colors, which makes it that much better.
It also costs 1 mana less, which makes it that much better.
It also is a dampening matrix and null rod, which makes it that much better.
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[Edited 1 times, lastly by joz on July 01, 2011]

 
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posted July 01, 2011 07:37 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Bugger Click Here to Email Bugger Send a private message to Bugger Click to send Bugger an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by joz:
But is is also in white weenie colors, which makes it that much better.
It also costs 1 mana less, which makes it that much better.
It also is a dampening matrix and null rod, which makes it that much better.

It also dies to shock and arc trail, so there's that.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
It also dies to shock and arc trail, so there's that.



point taken, but it also stops counterspells, deceiver exarch EOT, and alot of other shenanigans.

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quote:
Originally posted by joz:
But is is also in white weenie colors, which makes it that much better.

Maybe in 1996 that would be a good thing. White Weenie almost always sucks.

 
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posted July 01, 2011 09:36 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for hilikuS Click Here to Email hilikuS Send a private message to hilikuS Click to send hilikuS an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View hilikuS's Trade Auction or SaleView hilikuS's Trade Auction or Sale
quote:
Originally posted by joz:

point taken, but it also stops counterspells, deceiver exarch EOT, and alot of other shenanigans.



It sorta forces them to counter/answer it which is kind of nice. One less spell to use against your threats.



[Edited 1 times, lastly by hilikuS on July 01, 2011]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by hilikuS:
It sorta forces them to counter/answer it which is kind of nice. One less spell to use against your threats.


one less actual threat in your deck.

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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
one less actual threat in your deck.


I wouldn't consider it a very threatening creature as far as killing your opponent. But yeah I guess. I mean, you're not trying to win with this guy, just making sure your other stuff is more well protected, right?

Or are you trying to say he's not worth playing?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by hilikuS on July 01, 2011]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
It also dies to shock and arc trail, so there's that.


Except that it doesn't die to arc trail because arc trail is a sorcery and thus can't be played.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by mtglover on July 01, 2011]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by mtglover:
Except that it doesn't die to arc trail because arc trail is a sorcery and thus can't be played.

Except that it stops your opponent from casting spells on your turn, not theirs, and so whether or not Arc Trail is a sorcery is kind of irrelevant

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Anyone else thinks that Chandra 3 looks like Lady Gaga?
 
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Uh, Swiftfoot Boots anyone?

Equiping Swiftfoot Boots to that cleric would be pretty sick IMO.

 

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