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Originally posted by Bugger:
Also, mill has never ever ever ever ever been tier one, and until they make a card that costs less than three mana and mills 53 cards it pretty much never will be. Bad players think it matters, just like they think surgical extraction is a strong card.

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
I don't know about that. I remember the old day of Scepter Chant, and Howling Mine and Millstone.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
Totally not defending Jace 3, because it's far from broken, but there might actually be some sort of mill deck in standard. At least WoTC seems to be trying to push it. Jace's Windfall seems like it could be a step in the right direction.

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Oh, they push it all the time, but the only deck that springs to mind that was even near competitive was TwinSanity (Sanity Grinding + Twincast for 5 mana and usually 40+ cards), and I don't recall it ever posting any tournament victories, though it Top 8'd a few times IIRC.

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
I don't know about that. I remember the old day of Scepter Chant, and Howling Mine and Millstone.

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My knowledge is a bit spotty for standard decks pre-TSP/LOR, but I find it kind of hard to believe Millstone was ever a useful card.

And I'd consider TurboFog an exception because with stuff like Howling Mine, Jace, and Font of Mythos (all of which were necessary the last time for it to be anywhere near competitive), you've got enough card draw that you can also cast enough spells to keep the board under control. I'm talking about straight milling (put the top X cards of a library into a graveyard), which puts you down a card in the race without actually doing anything.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
My knowledge is a bit spotty for standard decks pre-TSP/LOR, but I find it kind of hard to believe Millstone was ever a useful card.

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Scepter-Chant was never a Standard deck. It was first an Extended deck.

I don't see Millstone as anything more than an old milestone/relic of a 'new' strategy. While not a good card on its own, it did create one of the few terms to make it out of mtg itself: mill.

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Originally posted by Bugger:

Also, mill has never ever ever ever ever been tier one, and until they make a card that costs less than three mana and mills 53 cards it pretty much never will be. Bad players think it matters, just like they think surgical extraction is a strong card.

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Painter-Stone is currently a tier 1 deck in Legacy. Whether and to what extent you want to consider it a mill deck, however, is up for grabs, since it differs rather radically from most traditional 'mill' decks (which are content to mill cards here, mill others there). You could also consider Solidarity a mill deck, particularly when it relied more heavily on Brain Freeze (but sucked a ton more than it does now).

Neither was in Standard, however. And milling sucks, you're right.

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Originally posted by TimeBeing:
it was cool milling was a possibility in zen draft. i saw a few draft decks win by milling.

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SOM draft too. Grindclock, baby!

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My knowledge is a bit spotty for standard decks pre-TSP/LOR, but I find it kind of hard to believe Millstone was ever a useful card.

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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
Owling Mine!

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1) That does not contain millstone
2) If Ebony Owl Netsuke is the wincon, it isn't really milling, is it?

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Originally posted by SageShadows:
I'm going to tentatively say for once that Chandra is playable.

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Had she started with 3 loyalty instead of 2, I would be very, very excited to try her out. I really want to -1 all day. time to proliferate, i think.

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Nice.

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Chandra...ya -1 all day long..lol, least every other turn, unless your playing big red :P..

Also notice how neither really have a ultimate..whereas jace does.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:

Also notice how neither really have a ultimate..whereas jace does.

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The number crunch thing is a strong argument, but maybe WotC changed their method.

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Chandra "I got a boob job last month" Nalar
+1: Why are you even reading this, she just had a breast augmentation.
-1: Are you really reading this? You must not like women.
-X: Ok, we get it, you can come out of the closet now.

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LOL :P

Actually the neighboor (dunno how to spell that)'s daughter (23, I'm not a pedo don't worry lol) looks exactly like her, but with a smaller bottom

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Originally posted by Heresy19:
LOL :P

Actually the neighboor (dunno how to spell that)'s daughter (23, I'm not a pedo don't worry lol) looks exactly like her, but with a smaller bottom

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For some reason, I just want to shout out "perv!!!!" and then find my baseball bat.

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Originally posted by Heresy19:
LOL :P

Actually the neighboor (dunno how to spell that)'s daughter (23, I'm not a pedo don't worry lol) looks exactly like her, but with a smaller bottom

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Without the duckface, I hope.

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Originally posted by joz:
For some reason, I just want to shout out "perv!!!!" and then find my baseball bat.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Without the duckface, I hope.

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Haha

No duckface but bigger lips :P